Top Oxfordshire Prep School to Close Amid Controversial VAT Policy on Private Education

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

If you mean this school is for profit, you are misinformed.It's not.

Well it isn’t now.

[josephbloggs]

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   But the Government will not be receiving that V.A.T and the Government will now probably have to pay to find state schools for the pupils 

Yeah, all one hundred of them.

Sorry, one hundred pupils in a historic stately mansion, and 11-12 days after the budget is announced it has gone under. So it was managed exceedingly well before that and the closure is all the government's fault.

Maybe try putting 100 pupils in a more reasonable space rather than a historic stately home with acres of grounds. Just a thought.

It is hilarious all the articles coming out from the Mail and Telegraph just days after the budget.

But yeah now the government will have to re-school this massive amount of people, how will the system cope?

[jayboy]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Well it isn’t now.

 

And never was - like the rest of the independent sector.

 

Stupidity is one thing.Ignorance is another Envious spite is yet another.But the Labour government and its gullible acolytes have managed to combine the three, to devastating effect.

 

This is a minor issue in the overall scheme of things but it is also very revealing.

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

So the state education sector will have to find another 100 places for the pupils displaced by the closure of this school.

 

They will also have to fund those places - I know the parents have already been paying through their taxes for an education which they have not, until now, been taking up.

 

Well thought through!

What about all the people paying taxes which go towards prisons they have never used? Or hospitals they have never visited? Or roads they have never used?

You can't pick and choose which taxes you pay for what.  If I don't use the M62 do I get a partial tax refund? No, but my taxes contribute towards its upkeep and rightly so.

I never go to the local park to look at the flowers. Should I get a tax reduction as I don't go to the park to look at the flowers or feed the ducks? 

So what exactly if people are paying taxes to schools they don't use? That is a choice, just like my choices to avoid the M62 and not feed ducks, I should still pay taxes towards them regardless because taxes are for society.

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yeah, all one hundred of them.

Sorry, one hundred pupils in a historic stately mansion, and 11-12 days after the budget is announced it has gone under. So it was managed exceedingly well before that and the closure is all the government's fault.

Maybe try putting 100 pupils in a more reasonable space rather than a historic stately home with acres of grounds. Just a thought.

It is hilarious all the articles coming out from the Mail and Telegraph just days after the budget.

But yeah now the government will have to re-school this massive amount of people, how will the system cope?

 

   Did you not read and understand the report ?

Its the Governments new 20 % V.A.T on education costs that has caused 100 pupils to not attend the school anymore and its going to close because the new tax

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Did you not read and understand the report ?

Its the Governments new 20 % V.A.T on education costs that has caused 100 pupils to not attend the school anymore and its going to close because the new tax

Ok.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok.

 

   It was also in the thread heading ?

 

Top Oxfordshire Prep School to Close Amid Controversial VAT Policy on Private Education

 

[josephbloggs]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It was also in the thread heading ?

 

Top Oxfordshire Prep School to Close Amid Controversial VAT Policy on Private Education

 

So in your world "Amid" = "Because of"??

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

So in your world "Amid" = "Because of"??

 

 

  Can you just read the article ?

I don't want to have to explain what the article says 

[Bkk Brian]

24 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yeah, all one hundred of them.

Sorry, one hundred pupils in a historic stately mansion, and 11-12 days after the budget is announced it has gone under. So it was managed exceedingly well before that and the closure is all the government's fault.

Maybe try putting 100 pupils in a more reasonable space rather than a historic stately home with acres of grounds. Just a thought.

It is hilarious all the articles coming out from the Mail and Telegraph just days after the budget.

But yeah now the government will have to re-school this massive amount of people, how will the system cope?

It was also in local Oxfordshire press first. This is not an exclusive to the Mail or Telegraph. That defection is lame. Now please ask the parents why they cannot afford it. They are the ones who have to remove the children because if the VAT. It's not the school 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

It's never been taxed anywhere in the world - pure spite on the part of the Labour government who hate the middle class.

 

Indeed so, they hate the middle class almost as much as they hate the (white) working class; they seem to think that the working class are represented by trade union members like the ASLEF drivers earning upwards of £60k.

 

This Labour government is moving its brand of socialism, inexorably towards communism; this transition which they do not have a mandate for, could quite possibly end in mass civil disobedience, if not civil war in the UK.

 

 

[josephbloggs]

26 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It was also in local Oxfordshire press first. This is not an exclusive to the Mail or Telegraph. That defection is lame. Now please ask the parents why they cannot afford it. They are the ones who have to remove the children because if the VAT. It's not the school 

That remains to be seen. Honestly I just find it ridiculous how many people on here are up in arms - immediately - with knee jerk reactions about EVERYTHING! Like every Tory budget for the last 14 years was innately fair or warmly welcomed by absolutely everyone and everyone benefitted, got richer, and enjoyed better services. We know that is not the case.

Labour have vowed to increase the education budget by BILLIONS. To hire 6,500 new teachers, and increase teacher salaries. Increase spending on SEND. These are the biggest increases in years. I think it's great.

That money can't be plucked from thin air. Most private schooling is for the rich. And - it turns out - for the army, who knew. If a stately home with a measly 100 pupils in Oxfordshire has to close because of it (debatable) then boo hoo. They can get absorbed in to the more highly funded state school system if their parents don't want to pay. 95% of kids do just fine there.

Sorry, I have more concern for the millions of children who may now get a better quality of education exactly because of this budget. Don't you? You think it's possible to dream up money and give it to everyone? Or you think posh schools should get preference over state schools?

Edited November 12 by josephbloggs

[josephbloggs]

3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Indeed so, they hate the middle class almost as much as they hate the (white) working class; they seem to think that the working class are represented by trade union members like the ASLEF drivers earning upwards of £60k.

 

This Labour government is moving its brand of socialism, inexorably towards communism; this transition which they do not have a mandate for, could quite possibly end in mass civil disobedience, if not civil war in the UK.

 

 

Hilarious. Just hilarious. Communism and civil war.

You need to read a broader selection of websites.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, josephbloggs said:

That remains to be seen. Honestly I just find it ridiculous how many people on here are up in arms - immediately - with knee jerk reactions about EVERYTHING! Like every Tory budget for the last 14 years was innately fair or warmly welcomed by absolutely everyone and everyone benefitted, got richer, and enjoyed better services. We know that is not the case.

Labour have vowed to increase the education budget by BILLIONS. To hire 6,500 new teachers, and increase teacher salaries. Increase spending on SEND. These are the biggest increases in years. I think it's great.

That money can't be plucked from thin air. Most private schooling is for the rich. And - it turns out - for the army, who knew. If a stately home with a measly 100 pupils in Oxfordshire has to close because of it (debatable) then boo hoo. They can get absorbed in to the more highly funded state school system if their parents don't want to pay. 95% of kids do just fine there.

Sorry, I have more concern for the millions of children who may now get a better quality of education exactly because of this budget. Don't know? You think it's possible to dream up money and give it to everyone?

What remains to be seen. The parents have spoken by withdrawing students. No most private education is not for the rich. What a useless ramble

[josephbloggs]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What remains to be seen. The parents have spoken by withdrawing students.

Yes, and if my kids' school fees went up by 20% here I might change schools too. The difference is in the UK you have a perfectly good state system to put them in for free, one that is going to be significantly better funded under Labour.

 

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No most private education is not for the rich. What a useless ramble

Don't tell me you really believe that. Carrdus school (the one in trouble because of the pesky VAT) is £5,350 PER TERM!! And these are little kids (year 3 to year 6). Then there are the extras. But no, it's not for the rich. Who is paying £5,350 per term for 7-11 year olds unless they are well off?

I have nothing against the rich by the way, I am all for them. I don't care much for people who have generational wealth but for self made people I have total respect, and if they want to put their children through private education they should have that choice. As they should have the choice of private medical cover. Or what car they drive. Or how big their house is. And if they can afford a yacht or a private jet all the better for them - go for it.

But don't come out with ridiculous comments to support your made up mind. Private education is mostly for the rich in the UK. End of.

Edited November 12 by josephbloggs

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, and if my kids' school fees went up by 20% here I might change schools too. The difference is in the UK you have a perfectly good state system to put them in for free, one that is going to be significantly better funded under Labour.

 

Don't tell me you really believe that. Carrdus school (the one in trouble because of the pesky VAT) is £5,350 PER TERM!! And these are little kids. Then there are the extras. But no, it's not for the rich.

I have nothing against the rich by the way, I am all for them. I don't care much for people who have generational wealth but for self made people I have total respect, and if they want to put their children through private education they should have that choice. As they should have the choice of private medical cover. Or what car the drive. Or how big their house is.

But don't come out with ridiculous comments to support your made up mind. Private education is mostly for the rich in the UK. End of.

You claimed private education is for rich kids, again its not apart from a very few top schools. I suggest you read the whole thread where all of that has been covered with links.

[jayboy]

14 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

in the UK you have a perfectly good state system to put them in for free,

 

Depends where you live.In posh suburbs and fashionable parts of the big cities very likely.In many other areas far from acceptable.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

That remains to be seen. Honestly I just find it ridiculous how many people on here are up in arms - immediately - with knee jerk reactions about EVERYTHING! Like every Tory budget for the last 14 years was innately fair or warmly welcomed by absolutely everyone and everyone benefitted, got richer, and enjoyed better services. We know that is not the case.

Labour have vowed to increase the education budget by BILLIONS. To hire 6,500 new teachers, and increase teacher salaries. Increase spending on SEND. These are the biggest increases in years. I think it's great.

That money can't be plucked from thin air. Most private schooling is for the rich. And - it turns out - for the army, who knew. If a stately home with a measly 100 pupils in Oxfordshire has to close because of it (debatable) then boo hoo. They can get absorbed in to the more highly funded state school system if their parents don't want to pay. 95% of kids do just fine there.

Sorry, I have more concern for the millions of children who may now get a better quality of education exactly because of this budget. Don't you? You think it's possible to dream up money and give it to everyone? Or you think posh schools should get preference over state schools?

 

 

Utter nonsense, just another of your remarkable left wing rants; typical of the loony left and their socialist garbage; rather than encourage everyone to greater achievements and greater aspirations, let’s drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

 

A socialist; someone that doesn’t have anything and wants to share it with everyone else.

 

 

 

[josephbloggs]

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Utter nonsense, just another of your remarkable left wing rants; typical of the loony left and their socialist garbage; rather than encourage everyone to greater achievements and greater aspirations, let’s drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

 

A socialist; someone that doesn’t have anything and wants to share it with everyone else.

 

 

 

Er, what are you on about exactly? You have lost the plot and are making things up now.

Trying reading my posts.

I said people should have a right to do what they chose: private education, private hospitals, whatever they want. Just pay for it and don't whine about it.

So again, what are you on about?

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Indeed so, they hate the middle class almost as much as they hate the (white) working class; they seem to think that the working class are represented by trade union members like the ASLEF drivers earning upwards of £60k.

 

This Labour government is moving its brand of socialism, inexorably towards communism; this transition which they do not have a mandate for, could quite possibly end in mass civil disobedience, if not civil war in the UK.

 

 

You do realise you are feeding your own angst?!

 

Calm down and look where Labour have refocused public spending. They’ve ended austerity and are redirecting public spending to where it will directly improve the lives of working people, be they working class or middle class, white, black and all shades between.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

40 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Utter nonsense, just another of your remarkable left wing rants; typical of the loony left and their socialist garbage; rather than encourage everyone to greater achievements and greater aspirations, let’s drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

 

A socialist; someone that doesn’t have anything and wants to share it with everyone else.

 

 

 

Investing billions in state schools to improve the life opportunities of the millions of children who’s parents can’t afford to buy privilege.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Indeed so, they hate the middle class almost as much as they hate the (white) working class; they seem to think that the working class are represented by trade union members like the ASLEF drivers earning upwards of £60k.

You make an interesting observation here, but not one in favor of the position you take.

 
You’ve argued in favor of people using their money to buy a leg up in education and healthcare.

 

And yet you object to other working people using their collective bargaining power through unions to obtain good wages.

 

Moreover you feign concern for

working class but are clearly incensed that train drivers receive a decent wage.

 

You support the privilege and power of wealth while objecting to working people using their collective bargaining to get something for themselves and their fellow union members.

 

Methinks your a cap doffer.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 13 by Chomper Higgot

[Nick Carter icp]

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

But don't come out with ridiculous comments to support your made up mind. Private education is mostly for the rich in the UK. End of.

 

   If they were rich, then they would be able to afford a 20 % price increase 

[Nick Carter icp]

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Labour have vowed to increase the education budget by BILLIONS. To hire 6,500 new teachers, and increase teacher salaries. Increase spending on SEND. These are the biggest increases in years. I think it's great.

 

   How are they going to fund all that spending ?

Labour are going to spend more on Schools , more on  the NHS , more on prisons , spend more on everything and also not to raise taxes .

   Where is all this money going to come from ?

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How are they going to fund all that spending ?

Labour are going to spend more on Schools , more on  the NHS , more on prisons , spend more on everything and also not to raise taxes .

   Where is all this money going to come from ?

It seems you missed the budget.

[JonnyF]

Well done Labour.

 

Close a school, disrupt the student's education, lose the tax on the schools profits and now have to pay for the children's education when they transfer to state school. 

 

All of that just because Labour hate and seek to punish people who are deemed successful. What a nasty, spiteful, stupid bunch of people.  

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It seems you missed the budget.

 

  How do they intend to raise the Billions required ?

[connda]

What the UK government is saying is that "Elite Prep School Are For The Elite - So Bugger-Off Commoners."

[Eloquent pilgrim]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Moreover you feign concern for

working class but are clearly incensed that train drivers receive a decent wage.

 

Train drivers ‘working class’ your knowledge of the British working class is remarkably limited; how’s all that left wing socialism going over your side of the pond ?

 

 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

What the UK government is saying is that "Elite Prep School Are For The Elite - So Bugger-Off Commoners."

 

Labour don't like people trying to better themselves. 

 

"Get back in the state system, where we can tell your children what to think".