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Foreign Driver in Fatal EV Collision with Motorbike, Drags It Over 50 Metres


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On 11/12/2024 at 6:25 AM, BritScot said:

Ev are so dangerous to other road users because of the weight of their battery. Everyone's car insurance in the uk has sky rocked year on year, I wonder why???

Interesting point, I bet a lot of people haven’t considered that. Wonder if it means that stock brakes might be inadequately designed. Good to know, thanks.

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8 minutes ago, Jonathan Swift said:
On 11/12/2024 at 6:25 AM, BritScot said:

Ev are so dangerous to other road users because of the weight of their battery. Everyone's car insurance in the uk has sky rocked year on year, I wonder why???

Interesting point, I bet a lot of people haven’t considered that. Wonder if it means that stock brakes might be inadequately designed. Good to know, thanks.

 

The 'weight' concept is flawed and borne out of a paranoid 'anti-EV rhetoric' in much the same manner as the myths perpetuated that EV's are more prone to catching fire. 

 

The additional weight of an EV battery generally has no more impact on a vehicle than having 5 grown adults in a car - and when have we ever seen the idea that a crash occurred because a vehicle was fully occupied ????

 

But, beyond all of that - Do people (laymen) really think they are more clever than the 'experts' working for the manufacturer and believe that a manufacturer incorporates brakes that have a lower design scope than the weight of the vehicle they are designed to stop ????....   

 

 

Regarding the increase of insurance costs, again some are making some daft claims which seem logical to them, but are fundamentally flawed - the increasing cost of vehicle insurance in the UK has nothing to do with EV's.

 

Here are the reasons Insurance has increased:

 

Rising Repair Costs: Modern vehicles, equipped with advanced technologies, are more expensive to repair. The cost of vehicle repairs has increased by 33%, influenced by higher prices for energy, paint, materials, and courtesy cars.

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Supply Chain Disruptions: Post-pandemic supply chain issues have led to shortages of spare parts, delaying repairs and increasing costs. In February 2023, the Association of British Insurers (ABI) reported that an estimated 40% of insurers’ work was affected by parts delays.

 

Inflation: General inflation has escalated the costs of vehicle repairs, replacements, and associated services, contributing to higher premiums. The ABI noted that the average premium paid for private motor insurance was £627, up 12% from the previous quarter.

 

Increased Vehicle Theft: A rise in car thefts has led to more claims, impacting overall insurance costs. High-end models are particularly targeted, leading to soaring insurance premiums.

 

 

Fraudulent Claims: Increase in Insurance fraud, including staged accidents and exaggerated claims, has increased the financial burden on insurers, who pass these costs onto consumers.

 

 

Regulatory Changes: The Financial Conduct Authority's ban on "price walking" in January 2022, which prevented insurers from offering lower prices to new customers while increasing premiums for loyal ones, has led to adjustments in pricing

 

 

 

 

 

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Although anything is possible and we really don't know the exact circumstances of this accident, one has to presume recklessness, and one has to presume that if she were driving more carefully, if she was more attentive or if she was more highly skilled as a driver she could have avoided plowing into this motorcycle and killing this poor woman. The fact that she dragged the motorcycle for 50 meters says something, and it likely doesn't speak of kindness and compassion. 

Posted
On 11/12/2024 at 7:25 AM, BritScot said:

Ev are so dangerous to other road users because of the weight of their battery. Everyone's car insurance in the uk has sky rocked year on year, I wonder why???

That was happening long before EVs

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Although anything is possible and we really don't know the exact circumstances of this accident, one has to presume recklessness, and one has to presume that if she were driving more carefully, if she was more attentive or if she was more highly skilled as a driver she could have avoided plowing into this motorcycle and killing this poor woman. The fact that she dragged the motorcycle for 50 meters says something, and it likely doesn't speak of kindness and compassion. 

We could also assume, know how thais drive, it could have been the fault of the bike rider.... but sometimes we assume too much, depending on our own prejudices. 

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Although anything is possible and we really don't know the exact circumstances of this accident, one has to presume recklessness, and one has to presume that if she were driving more carefully, if she was more attentive or if she was more highly skilled as a driver she could have avoided plowing into this motorcycle and killing this poor woman. The fact that she dragged the motorcycle for 50 meters says something, and it likely doesn't speak of kindness and compassion. 

 

That depends on what actually happend... 

 

... Did she 'plow into this motorcycle'...  or did the motorcyclist 'pull out in front of her giving her no chance to take avoiding action' ???

 

The very reason I have a dash-cam is that one day, without any warning, a motorcyclist will pull out in front of my Wife or I and and avoiding them will be impossible - that has nothing to do with compassion. Its not as if this lady though "stupid motorcyclist, I'll not bother stopping quickly"... 

 

Additionally - the 50m distance is not an actual measurement, its a guess...  the stopping distance could have been 30m or 60m...   statements such as this a more often than not quite inaccurate and nothing more than a pure guess of someone at the scene. 

 

 

In perfect conditions, A stopping distance of 50m in a Changan S7 calculates out at 56 kmh - that doesn't imply excessive or reckless speed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted
2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

stopping distance could have been 30m or 60m


If that was the stopping distance, she was clearly breaking the speed limit? That’s Russians for you 🤷‍♀️

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Just now, Charlest1971 said:
4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

stopping distance could have been 30m or 60m


If that was the stopping distance, she was clearly breaking the speed limit? That’s Russians for you 🤷‍♀️

 

Was she ?? - what is the speed limit in that area ??? Do you know ???

 

At 30m - her stopping distance is calculated at 46 kmh / 29 mph 

At 50m - her stopping distance is calculated at 67 kmh / 42 mph 

At 60m - her stopping distance is calculated at 76 kmh / 47 mph 

 

(calculated for Changan S7).

 

IF the speed limit was 80 kmh she wasn't speeding. 

 

Additionally - I've worked with a couple of Ekatarina's from Ukraine - So... how would that change your Anti-Russian rhetoric then ???

 

 

Here - I'm not arguing the cause of the incident - I'm arguing the stupidity of your comments. 

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Some off topic posts and the replies pushing a political agenda, based on unconfirmed nationality have been removed.

 

If you wish to discuss the Russia v Ukraine war there are plenty of other suitable topics open in the relevant forum, to express your opinions.

 

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