Trump’s Justice Department: Fear and Fallout as Revenge Prosecutions Loom

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It has never been late trying to nail bogus charges. The House Oversight and Accountability chaired by Gym Jordan and Gomer Pyle have been busy trying to nail Hunter for years with no evidence. 

Meanwhile Hunter is awaiting sentencing on the charges the DOJ did not let the statute clock run out on, 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Translation: release the evidence when it's the enemy but not when it's our ally.

The DOJ has the "evidence". Bring charges, or let it go. 

[AndreasHG]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

I think Trump and his cabinet want to restore the rule of law.

 

Jan 6, 2021 is evidence that yours is just wishful thinking. Another indication is the unusual high number of admitted and investigated drug users and abusers among his top picks. And yet another is Trump's first term, when the federal fiscal deficit exploded, and the seeds of inflation were firmly planted in the American economy.

 

Don't get me wrong: I wish you and the USA the best. And I appreciate exchanging opinions with people whose optimism triumphs over experience and evidence.

 

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It's really amusing how people can defend the appointment of a lowlife creep like Gaetz as Attorney General, and at the same time talk about Trump wanting to defend the rule of law. It's incredible that his supporters cannot see the contradiction in that. It is Trump's desire to destroy the justice department and avenge himself.

 

What that has to do with law and order is beyond my comprehension. Perhaps someone can explain that to me. 

Unsubstantiated charges make him a creep? The DOJ did an investigation. If they think he is guilty they should bring charges, 

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It's really amusing how people can defend the appointment of a lowlife creep like Gaetz as Attorney General, and at the same time talk about Trump wanting to defend the rule of law. It's incredible that his supporters cannot see the contradiction in that. It is Trump's desire to destroy the justice department and avenge himself.

 

What that has to do with law and order is beyond my comprehension. Perhaps someone can explain that to me. 

 As for Gaetz? It's sort of a balancing act.  Many people seem to think he has done a good job in his official capacity, and for that reason are willing to turn the page on any past transgressions in his personal life. As for Trump wanting to "destroy the justice department and avenge himself"?  Have you not been paying attention to what they did to Trump? I won't rehash all that, but there are some bad actors that need to be rooted out. Most of the people in those agencies weren't involved and do a good job from day to day.  Rooting out the bad actors will not "destroy" anything. 

[herfiehandbag]

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

And Biden would be Claudius!

 

51 minutes ago, connda said:

Nice comparison.  On the mark!    But 89% of the forum members probably won't get it.

I don't want to be pedantic, but Claudius succeeded Caligula.

 

That rather suggests that, if one follows my rather tongue in cheek reference to Vance being Caligula ( succeeding Trump as Tiberius - the original comparison, not mine) then you are expecting Biden to return as the successor to Vance!

 

I know that it is a long time since I (and I suspect most of us for that matter) studied Ancient Rome, but I really don't think American Presidential politics, although in many ways producing some extraordinary characters, is quite that bizarre!

[spidermike007]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Unsubstantiated charges make him a creep? The DOJ did an investigation. If they think he is guilty they should bring charges, 

Okay even if you set aside charges that were mysteriously dropped, what about his experience? Doesn't that count for anything? He graduated from a low ranked Law School, he practiced very low end general law for two years, and he has zero experience in the Judiciary.

 

Does that not mean anything to you? Is there any objectivity at all remaining in your thought process? 

[pattayasan]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The DOJ has the "evidence". Bring charges, or let it go. 

 

You guys are funny. That's exactly what the dems said in the Biden "corruption" case for years.

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Okay even if you set aside charges that were mysteriously dropped, what about his experience? Doesn't that count for anything? He graduated from a low ranked Law School, he practiced very low end general law for two years, and he has zero experience in the Judiciary.

 

Does that not mean anything to you? Is there any objectivity at all remaining in your thought process? 

Again, no charges were brought, much less mysteriously dropped.

 

I think it is fine to attack him on his perceived lack of qualifications. 

 

I do not know much about Gaetz, but was it not RFK that JFK appointed as AG that was 35 and had never tried a case? 

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

I think it worth noting that the same people attacking Gaetz at attacking every appointment.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

11 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

If you bothered to do any research you'd know the US economy fared better than Europe largely but not entirely because of immigration. It has not been the drag you claim.

 

Immigrants increase the labor force, boost consumer spending, and start new businesses. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that immigration will increase GDP by $8.9 trillion between 2024 and 2034. source: chatGPY

https://nypost.com/2024/09/02/us-news/migrants-flooding-nycs-justice-system-making-up-75-of-arrests-in-midtown-as-pathetic-sanctuary-city-laws-handcuff-cops/

 

The flood of migrants are a plus for sure.

[still kicking]

‘Saw him having sex’: New bombshell rocks one of Donald Trump’s key nominees

We only hire the best

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/saw-him-having-sex-new-bombshell-rocks-one-of-donald-trumps-key-nominees/news-story/d164370fad00d1a776824c8a1534baf4

[Celsius]

Beavis and Butt-Head 

[ModdaPunk]

Time to unleash hell on the technocrats !

 

[mogandave]

17 hours ago, still kicking said:

‘Saw him having sex’: New bombshell rocks one of Donald Trump’s key nominees

We only hire the best

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/saw-him-having-sex-new-bombshell-rocks-one-of-donald-trumps-key-nominees/news-story/d164370fad00d1a776824c8a1534baf4

Must have been heterosexual sex if the left is complaining 

[still kicking]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Must have been heterosexual sex if the left is complaining 

Yes Donald 

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Yes Donald 

You bet Daisy,

 

[riclag]

6 hours ago, riclag said:

Id love to see the millions of our tax dollars retuned to us as a result of the House of Representatives setting up & paying hush money or NDA’s.

 

And the 5 W’s questions involved in the 

agreements

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/settlements-congress-sexual-harassment/index.html

MTG is on the same page as some Americans, similar to my view, Sexual harassment fund set up by

Congress.

 

“If we’re going to dance , lets all dance in the sunlight. I’ll make sure we do”

MTG

 

Edited 18 hours ago by riclag

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, soalbundy said:

While I agree that Western civilization is on a knives edge (mainly due to corruption, greed and poor levels of leadership) the end of an era is merely the start of a new one which isn't seamless, the collapse of the British empire and Pax Britannia lasted decades as did that of the Roman empire.

 

The dark ages are only referred to as such because there was little to no written record keeping, trade and works of art still existed. When Roman governance gradually declined and the troops left Britain the Brits left the towns and reverted back to their old ways of living, the Romano-British civilization was superficial at best.

 

America was a good idea which got out of hand, as Oscar Wilde said, "Of course many countries had discovered America before Columbus but they kept quiet about it", further he remarked, "It's the only country that evolved from barbarity to decadence without an interval of civilization". Europe has always viewed America with amused skepticism, it isn't stable, sometimes it shows awe inspiring greatness and then sinks back to the antics of a school yard, like now. It isn't the end of all things, it just complicates matters, a harbinger of a new direction.

Yes, the Roman Empire took centuries before the barbarians walked in an took over. The British empire ended rather more quickly, and I'm expecting ours to go out with a whimper before the end of this century.

 

People often say that the US is an example of what happens when you take any body that turns up ( the melting pot ). They used to say that in approval, but one can now have other opinions given the present fiasco.

Perhaps when it's all over, the only survivors will be the Native Americans who can then return to tribal warfare and living in tents.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Okay even if you set aside charges that were mysteriously dropped, what about his experience? Doesn't that count for anything? He graduated from a low ranked Law School, he practiced very low end general law for two years, and he has zero experience in the Judiciary.

 

Does that not mean anything to you? Is there any objectivity at all remaining in your thought process? 

Given Biden's performance, graduating from kindergarten is sufficient to be a member of a US administration, IMO.

[candide]

Maybe we'll know more soon...

 

The documents — part of a defamation lawsuit filed by a former Florida lawmaker against both a friend of Gaetz who pleaded guilty in 2021 to charges including sex trafficking a minor and a woman who said the then-Republican congressman had sex with her when she was 17 years old — reportedly include testimony from both Gaetz’s accuser and a purported witness to the encounter.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/us-news/hacker-gets-hold-of-file-with-sex-trafficking-testimony-against-ag-pick-matt-gaetz/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral

[mogandave]

The DOJ investigated the claims for years and did not bring charges. Bring charges, or <deleted>

 

Edited 3 hours ago by metisdead
Profanity removed.

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

The DOJ investigated the claims for years and did not bring charges. Bring charges, or <deleted>

 

Apples and pears mate. Ethics Committee ruled on ethics violation. Can’t bring charges. DOJ decide to stop investigating because they felt that the witnesses were not credible to win the case. The ethics violation will be a moral dilemma for senator confirmation and likely Gaetz will not win over the majority votes. 

 

[mogandave]

18 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Apples and pears mate. Ethics Committee ruled on ethics violation. Can’t bring charges. DOJ decide to stop investigating because they felt that the witnesses were not credible to win the case. The ethics violation will be a moral dilemma for senator confirmation and likely Gaetz will not win over the majority votes. 

 

So? If the DOJ decided the witnesses were not credible, why is that not the end of it? 

 

The people that don’t like Gaetz find them credible, and should be allowed to ruin his life? 

 

And again, most everyone that is against Gaetz is against all Trump’s appointments, and against everything on Trump’s agenda. 

 

 

[dinsdale]

Another hit piece for the tantrum throwers to lather over. All speculation. This is why the left will be in the wilderness for a long time. The negative campaign from the progressive woke left towards Trump in the campaign didn't work. If anything it backfired but the idiots just keep pumping it out. 

[connda]

22 hours ago, connda said:

 Like I said - don't open the Lawfare Genie's bottle - Ever!

 

22 hours ago, novacova said:

Too late and hopefully too bad for them. Personally I hope they nail every single one of those individuals involved, from Pelosi down to the layered peon in the NSA. Zero tolerance for this intergovernmental collaboration of corruption 

Live by the Lawfare Genie, die by the Lawfare Genie.  Quid pro quo.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, connda said:

 

Live by the Lawfare Genie, die by the Lawfare Genie.  Quid pro quo.

False equivalence.

[Jingthing]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given Biden's performance, graduating from kindergarten is sufficient to be a member of a US administration, IMO.

Very dumb comment. 

[Jingthing]

18 hours ago, ModdaPunk said:

Time to unleash hell on the technocrats !

 

Maoist cultural revolution redux.

[Jingthing]

Dictator Trump doing his part to make an already civil war level divided nation even  more divided.

Our enemies rejoice.

Edited 1 hour ago by Jingthing