Foreign man flees after sexually assaulting Thai woman in condo lift - video

[NanLaew]

On 11/20/2024 at 9:08 AM, save the frogs said:

why would someone rape in a country where sex is so readily available everywhere?

 

 

 

Rape is about POWER, not sex.

 

I would have thought all aseannow's mysoginist apologists knew this already?

[NanLaew]

On 11/20/2024 at 9:56 AM, john donson said:

no follow up yet?  weird that all CCTV has like a vaseline film on the camera that seems to blur

 

vaseline does that

[NanLaew]

23 hours ago, candide said:

Where did I write It's only in Pattaya?

My point is just that when there is wide access to cheap sex,it is less likely that people feel the need to assault a women. Unless the guy is broke.

 

Sexual assault is about POWER, not sex.

[madone]

 

18 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

You disgust me... Taking a story with very little details and making it into a heinous crime. Twisting the words for assault and harassment to suit your needs or beliefs when there is a very big difference especially in punishment to the perp.

You have no idea what happened in the elevator other than he touched her face and other places and not even sure those other places would constitute an assalt charge. Then you twist it into sexual assault.. You should be ashamed of yourself. 

 

 

I see that the police have arrested the man for sexual assault. Are you planning to pop by the station and offer them your interpretation?  Explain it was a misunderstanding?

The unwanted contact and the video is clear as is the fact that she was terrified.

I'd say those are adequate details, thanks. His behavior is as heinous, as your attempts to dismiss it,

Also, I did not twist the words, I provided a definition for them.  My needs do not come into the equation.

 

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the perp

 

Stop watching detective shows.

 

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I hope one day you are in an elevator and a woman enters and you happenstance touch her shoulder or even her back to guide her. And she files a sexual assault charge on you. 

yeah, no.

 

I don't touch people I don't know. Nor can i see why I would need to guide someone in an elevator beyond a tap on the shoulder if they could not hear me and were in my way.

There are non-threatening ways to initiate contact, and your spurious example here has nothing to do with the actions of the man in the video

 

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You have no idea what happened in the elevator other than he touched her face and other places and not even sure those other places would constitute an assalt charge. Then you twist it into sexual assault.. You should be ashamed of yourself. 

 

Actually, i can see what happened in the elevator, video is like that.

Again the unwanted contact is clear. Her fear is evident. If anything in the video he does appears like acceptable behavior to you, I think its best you stay in or find someone to keep you in line if you do venture out. 

you just get creepier with every post, doncha? 

Edited Thursday at 04:42 AM by madone

[Hamus Yaigh]

On 11/21/2024 at 5:14 AM, thesetat2013 said:

I never said it was not assault or harassment...  You twisted it into sexual assault which is clearly defined as touching certain parts of the body.. Then you have the gall to say i am defending this creep? When clearly i was outlining that it was perhaps not sexual assault... 

You are one serious sicko if you think this. The key element is the lack of consent, and the fact that the perpetrator is acting for their own gratification, without regard for the victim's wishes or autonomy, that is sexual assault end of no matter where he touches her.

[Briggsy]

I suspect this sex offender is not here as a tourist. There is a high likelihood he is here on business of some sort. If so, he may be confident he can use his connections to escape justice.

 

Either way, he will almost certainly reoffend given the nature and manner of his offence.

[theshu25]

3 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

I suspect this sex offender is not here as a tourist. There is a high likelihood he is here on business of some sort. If so, he may be confident he can use his connections to escape justice.

 

Either way, he will almost certainly reoffend given the nature and manner of his offence.

Pray tell how you have come to this conclusion? Unbeleivable some of the rubbish people write on here.

[spidermike007]

On 11/20/2024 at 8:38 AM, soalbundy said:

A little exaggerated for some light groping, she suffered no physical harm.

I think it's fairly easy for a man to say that, but when the shoe is on the other foot I think it's an entirely different thing. I think often times women in this situation feel quite helpless, especially if it's a guy that's considered me larger than her. There's never any excuse for this kind of behavior. If you want to grope a woman it's fairly easy to do that here, you just have to pay for it, and then it's consensual. 

 

No free gropes! Especially when they are uninvited. A very sharp pencil to his genitals would have been quite effective. 

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I think it's fairly easy for a man to say that, but when the shoe is on the other foot I think it's an entirely different thing. I think often times women in this situation feel quite helpless, especially if it's a guy that's considered me larger than her. There's never any excuse for this kind of behavior. If you want to grope a woman it's fairly easy to do that here, you just have to pay for it, and then it's consensual. 

 

No free gropes! Especially when they are uninvited. A very sharp pencil to his genitals would have been quite effective. 

Certainly more appropriate than burning him alive. My point was that yes, he frightened her and touched her inappropriately but he didn't physically harm her and she was able to leave the lift to seek help. There is always a lot of extreme self righteous judgement in such cases, faux shock horror which ought to be contested, not that it matters what we write at all.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Certainly more appropriate than burning him alive. My point was that yes, he frightened her and touched her inappropriately but he didn't physically harm her and she was able to leave the lift to seek help. There is always a lot of extreme self righteous judgement in such cases, faux shock horror which ought to be contested, not that it matters what we write at all.

 

Psychological harm is just as bad as physical harm...     the attacker didn't need to cause any physical damage for 'harm' to exist...   She was petrified, this could take her time to get over....   Imagine her fear next time she gets in a lift and another  male enters... 

 

There is no 'extreme self righteous judgement' there is just 'simple judgement'...  Its not faux at all.

 

Its surprising that people such as yourself remain so ignorant to the realities of such issues - make no mistake, this was a sexual attack, it frightened the young girl.

 

IF this was your daughter - would to tell her to 'get over it - theres no physical harm' ????     (and don't answer that you don't have a daughter - that much is obvious due to your ignorance - but the point still remains).

 

[soalbundy]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Psychological harm is just as bad as physical harm...     the attacker didn't need to cause any physical damage for 'harm' to exist...   She was petrified, this could take her time to get over....   Imagine her fear next time she gets in a lift and another  male enters... 

 

There is no 'extreme self righteous judgement' there is just 'simple judgement'...  Its not faux at all.

 

Its surprising that people such as yourself remain so ignorant to the realities of such issues - make no mistake, this was a sexual attack, it frightened the young girl.

 

IF this was your daughter - would to tell her to 'get over it - theres no physical harm' ????     (and don't answer that you don't have a daughter - that much is obvious due to your ignorance - but the point still remains).

 

Nobody goes through life without experiencing frightening situations, it is as it is, they are to be mastered, not exaggerated. She appeared self assured enough to demand that he be caught, as he has been and will go through due process and be punished. Yes I have a daughter and also stepdaughters, one of whom experienced an uncalled for slapping as a teenager and so suffered physical harm as well as fear while she was a member of my household (She was in my care since she was a small child and is now a mother herself). I handled it without drama and reported the matter to the police, they considered it a family matter and refused to do anything until I threatened them with a lawyer accusing them of dereliction of duty, he had to pay her 10,000 Baht compensation and the matter was settled. Although not on the best of terms they still have superficial contact.

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Nobody goes through life without experiencing frightening situations, it is as it is, they are to be mastered, not exaggerated. She appeared self assured enough to demand that he be caught, as he has been and will go through due process and be punished. Yes I have a daughter and also stepdaughters, one of whom experienced an uncalled for slapping as a teenager and so suffered physical harm as well as fear while she was a member of my household (She was in my care since she was a small child and is now a mother herself). I handled it without drama and reported the matter to the police, they considered it a family matter and refused to do anything until I threatened them with a lawyer accusing them of dereliction of duty, he had to pay her 10,000 Baht compensation and the matter was settled. Although not on the best of terms they still have superficial contact.

 

Thats very interesting - that you when though such a process with your family, yet are so dismissive in giving of the impression that this is nothing serious when its someone else.

[soalbundy]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Thats very interesting - that you when though such a process with your family, yet are so dismissive in giving of the impression that this is nothing serious when its someone else.

Obviously it's a serious criminal offence and he will be dealt with by the courts, but it doesn't deserve the death penalty or any other medieval punishment, which some posters think appropriate, nor will the lady, who seems quite resolute, suffer psychological harm. It may be the perpetrators first visit to Pattaya and he got the wrong idea about the availability of women here.

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Psychological harm is just as bad as physical harm...     the attacker didn't need to cause any physical damage for 'harm' to exist...   She was petrified, this could take her time to get over....   Imagine her fear next time she gets in a lift and another  male enters... 

 

There is no 'extreme self righteous judgement' there is just 'simple judgement'...  Its not faux at all.

 

Its surprising that people such as yourself remain so ignorant to the realities of such issues - make no mistake, this was a sexual attack, it frightened the young girl.

 

IF this was your daughter - would to tell her to 'get over it - theres no physical harm' ????     (and don't answer that you don't have a daughter - that much is obvious due to your ignorance - but the point still remains).

 

A voice of reason in the wilderness of toxic male delusion. 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Obviously it's a serious criminal offence and he will be dealt with by the courts, but it doesn't deserve the death penalty or any other medieval punishment, which some posters think appropriate, nor will the lady, who seems quite resolute, suffer psychological harm.

 

Of course - the penalties under the exiting law need to be followed. 

 

In every thread there are the wannabes of the 'hangem-high brigade' who will demand the death penalties, corporal punishment... they demand that people are deported for a speeding office etc - so I get your point about over reactions and the response of faux-outrage etc... 

 

There is every possibility that it takes time for this lady to 'ease' from this experience - PTSD takes on many forms... 

 

- My son was involved in an incident with a 'wrong-un' at school - he was ok, then it resurface a month later and he had nightmares, its strange how the mind works.

 

- I took a hiding at Uni (a racial attack -  just walking down the road and was set up on by a bunch of Pakistani's - that stuck we me for a while and every time I faced a group of guys I was on high alert - it took about 6 months to be able to walk past a group without feeling fearful - meanwhile I was playing rugby every Wednesday afternoon and weekend and getting smashed about 'good n proper' (broken noses, split lips, black eyes etc) - but that didn't bother me - the attack did).

 

- This girl may well be living with the psychological consequences of this attack for a good few months or longer.

 

 

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

It may be the perpetrators first visit to Pattaya and he got the wrong idea about the availability of women here.

Whether its his first time here or not...   his behavior is wrong, very wrong.  Whatever his idea of the availability of women here, following a woman on her own, into a lift then trying to touch her when she's clearly showing signs of fear and avoidance... NO - he knew what he was doing is wrong and didn't care.

 

The guys actions were 100% wrong - there is no excuse at all that can be used to diminish these actions - the CCTV is so very clear that this woman was petrified and his physical advances were completely unwelcome so much so it is a 'sexual assault' - when understanding the law, this is fact.

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

A voice of reason in the wilderness of toxic male delusion. 

 

I just wonder how many guys go to bars and pay to 'grope women' (consensually) on such a regular basis that they've deluded themselves that all women (or all Thai women) want this, some just don't know it yet... 

 

I've even read recently on this forum, comments from the vapid toxic posters (the usual suspects) that the women in these bars even like this behavior....    they have no concept that the woman are just tolerating this behavior...   compartmentalising it and getting on with things as a 'job'...  they act and play along, as thats the job and the 'punter feels great' because he things he's some how 'made a connection' and his groping is enjoyed... 

 

These grade A1 mongers never realise its 'only' money...   and they're only tolerated because they pay, truly delusional characters who then come onto this forum and post their experience completely ignorant of their ignorance. 

 

I'm sure some believe... "she really likes me" !!! which is hilarious... they have no idea they are despised just slightly less than the stinking pig who came along before hand...  and so are tolerated as part of a great act !

[spidermike007]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I just wonder how many guys go to bars and pay to 'grope women' (consensually) on such a regular basis that they've deluded themselves that all women (or all Thai women) want this, some just don't know it yet... 

 

I've even read recently on this forum, comments from the vapid toxic posters (the usual suspects) that the women in these bars even like this behavior....    they have no concept that the woman are just tolerating this behavior...   compartmentalising it and getting on with things as a 'job'...  they act and play along, as thats the job and the 'punter feels great' because he things he's some how 'made a connection' and his groping is enjoyed... 

 

These grade A1 mongers never realise its 'only' money...   and they're only tolerated because they pay, truly delusional characters who then come onto this forum and post their experience completely ignorant of their ignorance. 

 

I'm sure some believe... "she really likes me" !!! which is hilarious... they have no idea they are despised just slightly less than the stinking pig who came along before hand...  and so are tolerated as part of a great act !

Very good points, and a lot of mongers come to Thailand and they don't realize that the women that they're interacting with commercially represent maybe one or two percent of the population. The other 98% are civilians and they do not appreciate being harassed or being touched by strangers, it's a pretty offensive crime. 

 

I always encourage all women to carry a very sharp pencil in their purse, a tremendous amount of damage can be accomplished with that and it's something that the perpetrator will never forget for the rest of his lifetime. 

[BritManToo]

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I just wonder how many guys go to bars and pay to 'grope women' (consensually) on such a regular basis that they've deluded themselves that all women (or all Thai women) want this, some just don't know it yet... 

In Muslim countries any woman out unescorted, face on view would likely be considered a prostitute.

Having her boobs on view would only confirm that opinion.

Nothing to do with western guys an bar girls, all to do with Egyptian Muslim culture.

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Very good points, and a lot of mongers come to Thailand and they don't realize that the women that they're interacting with commercially represent maybe one or two percent of the population. The other 98% are civilians and they do not appreciate being harassed or being touched by strangers, it's a pretty offensive crime. 

 

I always encourage all women to carry a very sharp pencil in their purse, a tremendous amount of damage can be accomplished with that and it's something that the perpetrator will never forget for the rest of his lifetime. 

 

I wouldn't ever recommend a woman try to attack a male...  That places them at far greater risk of retaliation - if I a male is of the state of mind to approach a woman in a threatening manner, the woman would never have time to take out the pencil or weapon - Its a sad state of affiars, but foremost is to ensure they are never alone.

But this woman was home already...  just taking the elevator, she had no reason to suspect she was in an unsafe situation - with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight she should have excited the lift as soon as the male go it and following this trauma she may do so in the future - but that should never be necessary in a civilised word.

 

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I also agree that some males come here and are so out of touch with the realities of the true demographics - some guys so impressed with themselves at being called 'hansum-man' so many times they start to be believe it !!..     

My Wife complained that while waiting for baggage at the Airport, some American guy came up to her and offered her a 'stick of gum'....  She apparently said no thank-you and squirmed away....   

 

She asked me... does every foreign male think every Thai girls is 'available'...   Sadly its seems some so.. 

 

But what I also realise in this situations is that some guys are so excited to be here, they've built themselves up so much they can't wait for any interaction at all...    and thus will try anything as an ice-breaker.

 

My Wife was probably quite impolite having taken the wrong end of the stick thinking - does every foreigner think every Thai female is a hooker !!!..   (she's a bit of a snob when it comes to that, so there was likely some offence taken) - I argued that perhaps it as just a nice guy who happened to be stood next to you and took out a stick of gum and figured he'd offer you one too, nothing more to it than that... 

 

But, women are very intuitive - if she felt it was sleazy, it probably was - I wasn't there so couldn't tell. 

 

I've got into plenty of conversations with 'normal' Thai women... It might be in a supermarket, on a plane etc.. 

On my last flight I sat next to  Thai women - we didn't speak at all through the whole flight. Just a not and a smile when I sat down next to her... clearly she had no intention to interact. Thats fine, I'm generally like that on a flight too.

A previous flight, I sat next to a young Thai lady, initially the same response, no interaction - then when the food came, we started talking... and that was that flood-gates opened and we talked non-stop, she was lovely, super intelligent, studying in the USA (clearly wealthy, her father owned a major real estate company in Thailand that we all will have heard of)....  I'm married and 20 years older than her - so clearly it was nothing more than that I and I didn't expect anything more than that - just a chat with a pleasant person who made my flight more enjoyable, and I hope I helped pass the time for her too...   we said bye at the luggage carousel.

Asking for her number ??? No... Of course not, that would have been creepy, I'm married and a lot older. 

Did she think about asking me for my number?... Of course not, I'm older and married. 

 

And that is an interaction with a normal person where there is no ulterior pervy motive - Some guys travelling here are incapable of that and believe they are some sort of adonis and every Thai woman will be interested in them - its a pathetic delusion - but its ok so long as it stops there.  When such delusion manifests itself into the guy becoming a pest, following women or even attempting to touch them etc...  then action needs to be taken.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

In Muslim countries any woman out unescorted, face on view would likely be considered a prostitute.

Having her boobs on view would only confirm that opinion.

Nothing to do with western guys an bar girls, all to do with Egyptian Muslim culture.

 

Not true...    just as with any other religion, Islam has many variations of accepted behavior and degrees of moderation...

There are plenty of Muslim nations where women walk around without male escort, without face coverings, many without headscarves...   many where even though the primary religion of the the country is Islam the practice is very moderate...   (and of course others where the practice is draconian).

 

 

Its all rather moot - we have an Egyptian guy travelling outside of his own culture and you are suggesting he's applying his own social norms....    whereas in reality he was just a lecherous pig.

 

 

And... IMO - its everything to do with 'bar girls here'...  and the inability of a tourist to adapt.

He (the Egyptian guy) seemed to be of the opinion that Thai women are a lot more available, most likely because thats is what he has been exposed to in the bars and he was not intelligent enough to differentiate between that bar-life and real life outside of that environment.

 

Ultimately he was a letch - regardless of his nationality, and knew such behavior is wrong, he just mistakenly thought he might get away with it.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lorry]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

In Muslim countries any woman out unescorted, face on view would likely be considered a prostitute.

Catholic, too.

When I was young,  it was easy to recognize a prostitute in Spain, eg in Madrid: every woman between 15 and 45 who was not at home.

 

Spain has changed a lot in the 80's and 90's.

About Poland or Ireland, I have no idea.

Islam is not the only patriarchal religion.

 

BTW in Iran, since the revolution,  women are not groped (too dangerous for the man). Quite the opposite in Turkey and Pakistan.

 

 

Edited 11 minutes ago by Lorry