Europe Braces for Escalation: Germany Mobilizes NATO Troops Amid Putin's Nuclear Threats

[Ben Zioner]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Obviously, Putin did that - and he claims he was provoked.

My point is that more and more escalation is bad for everybody.

Is it easy to stand back and let the others do something bad? No. But maybe we should not directly use that as a reason for more escalation. Let's try to be calm and think twice.

This will never work with Putin, who is having a laugh when facing weak and disjointed adversaries such as the  EU and US. What is needed right now is a a 2% or 3% war sales tax across the EU. These populations must contribute heavily to the war effort, otherwise they'll have nothing to complain about what is going to happen.

[The Old Bull]

34 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

The problem with the 'Surrender Immediately' guys above is that, on that basis the Russians could go all the way to Portugal without anyone lifting a finger to stop them. All Putin has to do is growl loudly and everyone surrenders.

 

Then Xi could walk in to Taiwan, not to mention Laos, Vietnam , Cambodia & Thailand ...

Don't believe American bull<deleted> .Xi has a lot of support in Taiwan. When it becomes beneficial for them to join mainland China they will.

[mfd101]

1 minute ago, The Old Bull said:

Don't believe American bull<deleted> .Xi has a lot of support in Taiwan. When it becomes beneficial for them to join mainland China they will.

That sounds like CCP bull.

[RichardColeman]

Putin is only using this weapon as a bargaining chip in negotiations NOT to pay reparations

[pattayasan]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Right well I guess sometime in the next two months the world is going to end. Do you realize how MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) you sound?

 

You don't seem to be condemning Putin for his threat of first use. Why is that?

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

You don't seem to be condemning Putin for his threat of first use. Why is that?

It's a threat. It's what Putin does. He's done it before. It's an EMPTY threat. I've said that retaliation will come and it has and will. I've also said nukes won't be used and they won't. As for Putin using a threat of 1^st strike I do believe this time round it was after Biden sanctioned the use of ATACMS and I don't hear you condemning Biden for escalating the war. Why is that?

[john donson]

are Europeans that dumb to go die for no reason ?  ukraine is not even a democracy

 

war mongers and banks love wars

 

 

[pattayasan]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's a threat. It's what Putin does. He's done it before. It's an EMPTY threat. I've said that retaliation will come and it has and will. I've also said nukes won't be used and they won't. As for Putin using a threat of 1^st strike I do believe this time round it was after Biden sanctioned the use of ATACMS and I don't hear you condemning Biden for escalating the war. Why is that?

 

So you don't like to condemn empty threats?

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

So you don't like to condemn empty threats?

So you don't condemn Biden escalating the war? Less see. Empty treat=no deaths. Biden's escalation = an increase in deaths not only in Kursk but in Ukraine. It seems you're ok with this.

[pattayasan]

Just now, dinsdale said:

So you don't condemn Biden escalating the war? Less see. Empty treat=no deaths. Biden's escalation = an increase in deaths not only in Kursk but in Ukraine. It seems you're ok with this.

 

Putin escalated the war, Biden responded to 10,000 foreign troops being recruited to fight for Russia.

[lordgrinz]

$380 Billion in foreign aid has already been spent on this war, at taxpayers expense, that should tell you all you need to know.

[pattayasan]

Just now, lordgrinz said:

$380 Billion in foreign aid has already been spent on this war, at taxpayers expense, that should tell you all you need to know.

 

Yes, it tells us that taxpayers fund government spending.

[JonnyF]

Thanks Joe. Great job. 

 

I guess it was too much to expect him to leave quietly without inflicting further damage on the world. 

[pattayasan]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Thanks Joe. Great job. 

 

I guess it was too much to expect him to leave quietly without inflicting further damage on the world. 

 

He should suddenly stop doing his job? Leave quietly? Are you kidding me? Jeez.

[dinsdale]

Just now, pattayasan said:

 

Putin escalated the war, Biden responded to 10,000 foreign troops being recruited to fight for Russia.

That is just a smoke screen. 10,000 questionably trained North Korean troops that don't speak Russian are going to have little to no impact. Apart from this there is zero evidence that these troops are actively engaged in Kursk. The sanctioning of the ATACMS, Storm Shadow and anti personnel mines has nothing to do with it. The fact is North Korea has been supplying Russia with weapons and ammunition for quite some time.

[dinsdale]

9 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

$380 Billion in foreign aid has already been spent on this war, at taxpayers expense, that should tell you all you need to know.

Biden is seeking to cancel $4.6 billion of Ukraine's debt. 

Edited 7 hours ago by dinsdale

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Biden is seeking to cancel $4.6 billion of Ukraine's debt. 

 

So? Ukraine needs help against an invasive pest.

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

He should suddenly stop doing his job? Leave quietly? Are you kidding me? Jeez.

 

Not starting world wars would suffice. 

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not starting world wars would suffice. 

 

Or insurrections instead of leaving quietly.

[Eric Loh]

Russia has been threatening nuclear war since 1999 when Yeltsin warned US. They threatened nuclear over 2007 missle defence, threatened Poland over US missle shield and again during the Crimea war. Over 2 dozens nuclear threats over the years. Putin know it is the end game if he use nuclear weapons. Russia will be isolated economically. China and India which are their biggest trading partners have warned them against using nuclear and will have to halt economic ties. It will be end for Russia and Putin if he goes nuclear. He knows it. His threats are becoming more desperate and he is near to his finishing line. 

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Or insurrections instead of leaving quietly.

 

I think a few loons in fancy dress are preferable to WW3.

 

But that's just me. 

[parallelman]

Imo, if V.P. extends the war elslewhere he will only do so by using tactical nukes. He thought he would take Ukrane in a very short time but his conventional weapons have not been successful in doing that. So he must realise that making strikes anywhere else with the same type of weopons will also be unsuccessful (in terms of winning 'the day' as it were). That leaves him with only the nuke option. But even then he must realise that if doesn't kill (all) his opposition in a first strike Russia will suffer from nuclear strikes too.

[parallelman]

Imo, if V.P. extends the war elslewhere he will only do so by using tactical nukes. He thought he would take Ukrane in a very short time but his conventional weapons have not been successful in doing that. So he must realise that making strikes anywhere else with the same type of weopons will also be unsuccessful (in terms of winning 'the day' as it were). That leaves him with only the nuke option. But even then he must realise that if doesn't kill (all) his opposition in a first strike Russia will suffer from nuclear strikes too.

[Summerinsiam]

Another ridiculous and misleading article that is driven by pure hyperbole. No, thankfully Europe is not preparing for all out war. All those concerned, including Putin, understand that a war between nuclear powers can never be fought, as it would likely turn nuclear and the doctrine of mutually assured destruction still holds true today. While Putin's threats should be taken seriously, analysts concur that he will most likely retaliate through hybrid warfare, while continuing with the nuclear saber-rattling. Its not in his interests anyway;  a Trump presidency is looming and he is clearly winning conventionally. All analysts are in agreement that the recent change in policy with regard to long range missiles has come too little and too late. They are a desperate attempt to slow down the Russian advance and salvage something from a misguided proxy war. While serving as an escalation, it will not affect the Russian momentum or have any significant strategic effect. It is now clear to everyone that in the long term Ukraine cannot win or reclaim its lost territory. It doesn't have the weapons or manpower. Even Zelenskey, as reality finally dawns,  now says that Crimea can only be regained through diplomacy. It is high time that reality and pragmatism come to the fore, and for the sake of all concerned, not least Ukraine, that negotiations begin on some kind of ceasefire.

[dinsdale]

40 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

Another ridiculous and misleading article that is driven by pure hyperbole. No, thankfully Europe is not preparing for all out war. All those concerned, including Putin, understand that a war between nuclear powers can never be fought, as it would likely turn nuclear and the doctrine of mutually assured destruction still holds true today. While Putin's threats should be taken seriously, analysts concur that he will most likely retaliate through hybrid warfare, while continuing with the nuclear saber-rattling. Its not in his interests anyway;  a Trump presidency is looming and he is clearly winning conventionally. All analysts are in agreement that the recent change in policy with regard to long range missiles has come too little and too late. They are a desperate attempt to slow down the Russian advance and salvage something from a misguided proxy war. While serving as an escalation, it will not affect the Russian momentum or have any significant strategic effect. It is now clear to everyone that in the long term Ukraine cannot win or reclaim its lost territory. It doesn't have the weapons or manpower. Even Zelenskey, as reality finally dawns,  now says that Crimea can only be regained through diplomacy. It is high time that reality and pragmatism come to the fore, and for the sake of all concerned, not least Ukraine, that negotiations begin on some kind of ceasefire.

Please stop posting immediately. You may cause some damage to the brains of those who have no common sense or grasp on reality as they try to think up a stupid response to your post other than the obligatory laughing, sad or confused emoji. Thank you. 

Edited 5 hours ago by dinsdale

[transam]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Biden is seeking to cancel $4.6 billion of Ukraine's debt. 

Ooooooh, it's MONEY that's your thing, NOT freedom....................Oh well....

Must be a Trump follower...........🤕

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Ooooooh, it's MONEY that's your thing, NOT freedom....................Oh well....

Must be a Trump follower...........🤕

It's the tax payers money. You know the one's that can't afford to go shopping. Wow! I nearly hit submit. Wait a minute............

[Peterphuket]

4 hours ago, Chivas said:

We are completely sleep walking into WW3

Nobody should be under any illusion this is the worst situation since the Cuban missile crisis

 

My home City in UK would be the first wiped off the map because of the huge naval base

 

Safer in Thailand but for how long

Well count on china also biding its time, so whether we are that safe here is also in doubt.

[daejung]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When I read insulting posts like yours it makes me realise that I am probably superior to at least one person on the planet.

I am french and think that @Tailwagsdog is right

Edited 5 hours ago by daejung

[transam]

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's the tax payers money. You know the one's that can't afford to go shopping. Wow! I nearly hit submit. Wait a minute............

Nice try, but everything the Government does is taxpayers money, but YOU think it should not be used to support freedom, you are an insult to those from your country that fought and died for freedom, and not money.....