Europe Braces for Escalation: Germany Mobilizes NATO Troops Amid Putin's Nuclear Threats

[transam]

Just now, dinsdale said:

Oh dear. Time for a cuppa and a lie down for you I reckon.

Try facing the truth, for you, probably difficult, as a Trump fanboy........🤕

[dinsdale]

22 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

I can not dismiss the suspicion that a combination of efforts is being undertaken to force Putin to make a move that will "justify" more direct NATO involvement ahead of anything Trump might attempt post January 20ish.

And that might involve use of anything but nuclear. Yet that could be devastation for Kiev.

 

I hope you're wrong but it is a possible scenario. Personally I doubt it.

[jas007]

4 hours ago, James105 said:

 

The TV tells you this is a "fight for freedom" and Russia bad Ukraine good but really its a territory dispute and "don't park your missiles on my doorstep" dispute that should be settled with negotiations.  The problem with that approach is that nobody gets to profit from selling weapons of war, the war mongers don't get to experience the glee of seeing people dying at the behest of their corrupt leaders and its all a bit too peaceful.   

 

Fighting for freedom is fine and all when it is actually a fight for freedom.  This isn't it.   

 

Eastern Europe has been disputed territory for centuries.  This dispute is just the most recent iteration. 

 

Look up the history of Russia. 

 

Look up the so-called "Heartland Theory."  A theory put forth by a British geopolitical analyst named Mackinder in the early 1900s suggesting that control of Eastern Europe was the key to controlling the "Heartland" which, in turn, was the the key to controlling the world island, the central landmass containing over half of the world's resources.  Whoever controlled that landmass and its natural resources  could control the wold.  

 

Whether they admit it or not, that's pretty much what's going on today.  Western hegemony is at stake and the West doesn't  want to see Russia with all those assets.  Wasn't it US Senator Lindsey Graham that was mouthing off about just that?  The trillions of dollars of assets at stake? Look at Blackrock and their greed.  They already have contracts to "rebuild" Ukraine.  In return, they'll pretty much own Ukraine, but I digress.  

 

Once you understand the geopolitical implications, superimpose on that mess a bunch of crazy Neocons trying to turn back the clock of history and preserve so-called "American exceptionalism." At least that's the theory, but even those guys have been co-opted by the greedy warmongers whose only god is money. 

 

On top of all that, throw in Game Theory and global thermonuclear war.  Then set aside or imagine a disruption of the MAD principle. Mutually Assured Destruction.  A disruption of the MAD principle because people, by way of the crazy NEOCONs or because of pure greed, no longer act as a rational actor might act.  It all becomes a crapshoot. 

 

Then try to guess what will happen next.  The Globalists are playing dice with the lives of billions of people and perhaps humanity itself.  

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Try facing the truth, for you, probably difficult, as a Trump fanboy........🤕

Truth is come next Feb this war will be in ceasefire and Russia and Ukraine will be at the negotiation table. If you think otherwise then how about telling us what you think is going to happen over the next couple of months and what you base your opinion on rather than just slagging people off. A grown ups comment like most on here are capable of. Something tells me (you're thousands of posts and emojis) this is something you are not capable of doing.

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

39 minutes ago, candide said:

I fully agree. He knows he will get what he wants from Trump. He's surely not going to spoil this opportunity.

Once Putin is done with Ukrainian. He’ll move right though Europe with China, Iran and North Korea’s help, and tRump the isolationist will do nothing. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Truth is come next Feb this war will be in ceasefire and Russia and Ukraine will be at the negotiation table. If you think otherwise then how about telling us what you think is going to happen over the next couple of months and what you base your opinion on rather than just slagging people off. A grown ups comment like most on here are capable of. Something tells me (you're thousands of posts and emojis) this is something you are not capable of doing.

There you go, have nothing but a personal attack, very strange habit you have.....🤕

I do NOT guess like you, so I have NO comment on what's going to happen in the next couple of months, though you have said Trump WILL stop the war in 24 hours, a wild guess, as usual, even the Russian speaker laughed at the 24 hour thing......😉

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

35 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Putin has yet to call Trump to congratulate him on his election. Simply demonstrate who wear the pants in their relationship. Putin even said that he will not call him and expect Trump to initiate the call. How embarrassing. 

I’m sure tRump is on the phone with his master every day

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Once Putin is done with Ukrainian. He’ll move right though Europe with China, Iran and North Korea’s help, and tRump the isolationist will do nothing. 

And you base this on what? Your opinion?

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

There you go, have nothing but a personal attack, very strange habit you have.....🤕

I do NOT guess like you, so I have NO comment on what's going to happen in the next couple of months, though you have said Trump WILL stop the war in 24 hours, a wild guess, as usual, even the Russian speaker laughed at the 24 hour thing......😉

Trump is a lying fascist Putin bootlicker

[jas007]

7 minutes ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Once Putin is done with Ukrainian. He’ll move right though Europe with China, Iran and North Korea’s help, and tRump the isolationist will do nothing. 

 I think the old Soviet Union tried that before.  While they didn't control all of Europe, what areas they did control were s a recipe for eventual bankruptcy.  They don't need all of Europe. They don't want all of Europe.  Can you imagine a bigger pain in the ass?

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[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

And you base this on what? Your opinion?

Facts, something tRump fan boys and Putin bootlickers like you never heard of 

[transam]

1 minute ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Trump is a lying fascist Putin bootlicker

Indeed, some of us know that, Putin, and the N.Korean bloke, Trump actually thinks he has them in his hand, so funny.........🤭

[dinsdale]

Just now, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Facts, something tRump fan boys and Putin bootlickers like you never heard of 

Maybe you can share some of these facts with us "tRump fan boys and Putin bootlickers"

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Maybe you can share some of these facts with us "tRump fan boys and Putin bootlickers"

Just read the Mueller report.  

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Again with the 10,000 DPRK troops. This is a very, very tiny number of troops that don't speak Russian and their training for fighting in the region is questionable and as it is there is zero evidence they are even involved in combat. Russia is losing more than a 1000 fighters a day. a massive amount of lives lost. This lot could be wiped out in less than 2 weeks. No possible way can they been seen as any real threat. It's a smokescreen. What's happening now with ATACMS and Storms Shadows being sanctioned for use in Kursk is to try and sure up the territory held in Kursk by Ukraine by taking out and disrupting Russian supplies. This will then obviously be used as a bargaining chip when the two sides are brought to the table to negotiate. 

Bringing in thousands of soldiers from another country to attack Ukraine is an act of escalation.

[James105]

25 minutes ago, jas007 said:

The trillions of dollars of assets at stake? Look at Blackrock and their greed.  They already have contracts to "rebuild" Ukraine.  In return, they'll pretty much own Ukraine, but I digress.  

 

Once you understand the geopolitical implications, superimpose on that mess a bunch of crazy Neocons trying to turn back the clock of history and preserve so-called "American exceptionalism." At least that's the theory, but even those guys have been co-opted by the greedy warmongers whose only god is money.

 

Indeed.  It's no coincidence that Labour in the UK are partnering with Blackrock now and want to keep funding this war using taxpayers money on their behalf.  More destruction = more profits.   I'm starting to think that the UK Labour government are just trolling at this point to see how far they can push the citizens of the UK before there really is civil war there. 

 

 

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Bringing in thousands of soldiers from another country to attack Ukraine is an act of escalation.

How? 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, transam said:

It's pointless, the bloke worries about money, not innocent lives.............🥴

if you were worried about innocent lives you wouldn't be egging the war on from your armchair, you'd be calling for peace, ceasefire and negotiations, but you dont. 

 

you tell others to go to Russia, why don't you goto Ukraine, help with the fight directly....there is a member on the other thread looking for volunteers.

[frank83628]

27 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Indeed.  It's no coincidence that Labour in the UK are partnering with Blackrock now and want to keep funding this war using taxpayers money on their behalf.  More destruction = more profits.   I'm starting to think that the UK Labour government are just trolling at this point to see how far they can push the citizens of the UK before there really is civil war there. 

 

 

the UK citizens won't do anything. they moan for a week, then get back on with Eastenders and strictly come dancing. the UK needs Guy Fawkes 2024. mind you, so do most countries. 

[transam]

31 minutes ago, mogandave said:

How? 

Duuuuuuuuuuuuh...................😬

[WorriedNoodle]

15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear oh dear oh dear, it's all going wrong for the proponents of the proxy war.

 

This is what escalation looks like folks, and if some people don't stop poking the Bear it's going to be nuclear winter.

I guess the leaders of Europe that have been front and center in the fiasco have comfy bunkers to hide in when it all goes poof, unlike the serfs they pretend to represent.

 

The opinion you shared certainly seems infantile and problematic for several reasons:

1. Victim-blaming: The comment suggests that the current tensions in Ukraine are the fault of those who are supporting Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression, rather than the fault of Russia itself. This is a form of victim-blaming, which shifts the responsibility for the conflict away from the aggressor and onto the victim.
2. Minimizing the threat of Russian aggression: The comment refers to Russia as a "Bear" that is being poked, which minimizes the very real threat that Russia poses to Ukraine and to European security more broadly. This kind of language can make it easier to excuse or justify Russian aggression, rather than holding Russia accountable for its obscene actions.
3. Fear-mongering: The comment also engages in fear-mongering by suggesting that continued support for Ukraine could lead to a nuclear war. While it's important to be aware of the risks of escalation, this kind of language is hyperbolic and alarmist, and can be used to justify inaction or appeasement. What's it feel like being an appeaser?

[transam]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

if you were worried about innocent lives you wouldn't be egging the war on from your armchair, you'd be calling for peace, ceasefire and negotiations, but you dont. 

 

you tell others to go to Russia, why don't you goto Ukraine, help with the fight directly....there is a member on the other thread looking for volunteers.

1. Because I know you cannot deal with a Hitler type people or folk like you.....

2. Because Westerners backing a tyrant should do the right thing and join them, I don't back a tyrant.

3. There are no Western country military boots on the ground fighting for Ukraine, you should know that.

4. At my age I would be given a chair and sandwich, but you have no balls to go help your hero out, is my guess.

[transam]

55 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Maybe you can share some of these facts with us "tRump fan boys and Putin bootlickers"

We, reading your posts is quite enough..........

[frank83628]

 Imagine if it were Trump. 

[transam]

Just now, frank83628 said:

 Imagine if it were Trump. 

More nonsense, the USA is firing nothing, the N.Koreans are........🤗

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, transam said:

More nonsense, the USA is firing nothing, the N.Koreans are........🤗

They fired 8 the other day.

[transam]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

They fired 8 the other day.

USA military or Ukrainians.........?   😊

[dinsdale]

35 minutes ago, transam said:

We, reading your posts is quite enough..........

Again you fail to answer a question. Here it is again. What do you think will happen in the next two months and what do you base this on? It's a pretty straight forward question. Example answers. There will be total nuclear war because ....... Things will pretty much remain a stale mate because .......... Biden will escalate things even more because ......... Putin will escalate things even more because ..........  It's not difficult to give an opinion based on some sort of basis of your thinking. Saying you grew up in a middle class family and had good lawns probably isn't good enough.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Again you fail to answer a question. Here it is again. What do you think will happen in the next two months and what do you base this on? It's a pretty straight forward question. Example answers. There will be total nuclear war because ....... Things will pretty much remain a stale mate because .......... Biden will escalate things even more because ......... Putin will escalate things even more because ..........  It's not difficult to give an opinion based on some sort of basis of your thinking. Saying you grew up in a middle class family and had good lawns probably isn't good enough.

You obviously did not understand my written words, but you keep on with your guessing as being facts, don't you realise that..................🥴

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Bringing in thousands of soldiers from another country to attack Ukraine is an act of escalation.

Again absolute rubbish. Please provide any evidence that these North Korean troops are actively engaged in combat. You won't be able to because they're not. As for attacking Ukraine do you actually know what you are saying? They are in Kursk and last I knew the Kursk Oblast is in Russia.