Trump wins on the Stormy case as sentencing delayed "indefinitely".

[thaibeachlovers]

All the attempts to use the law to cancel Trump are being cancelled themselves

 

Trump 1

the faux lawfare cabal 0

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/22/politics/trumps-hush-money-sentencing-is-postponed-indefinitely-judge-says/index.html

The judge did not set a new sentencing date or make any further statements about the delay. Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Trump, called Mechan’s decision a “decisive win” for the president-elect.

[jerrymahoney]

As you may remember TBL I was on here repeatedly saying the cases against Trump particularly those in NY were a distraction. To the point that many on here even suggested I was a Trump double agent. --

 

E.G. from topic Why the hush money case against Donald Trump is on shaky ground

 

 On 4/26/2024 at 12:35 PM, Roo Island said:
An opinion piece from a conservative republican. Biased a bit?

 

JerryM: That's OK. I've posted comments from left-leaning former federal  prosecutors who are critical of the case and people don't like those either.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by jerrymahoney

[blaze master]

18 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

As you may remember TBL I was on here repeatedly saying the cases against Trump particularly those in NY were a distraction. To the point that many on here even suggested I was a Trump double agent. --

 

E.G. from topic Why the hush money case against Donald Trump is on shaky ground

 

 On 4/26/2024 at 12:35 PM, Roo Island said:
An opinion piece from a conservative republican. Biased a bit?

 

JerryM: That's OK. I've posted comments from left-leaning former federal  prosecutors who are critical of the case and people don't like those either.

 

 

Roo Island I remember that one. So vocal before the election. 

[dinsdale]

No surprise. Now lets wait for the dummy spitting, toddler tantrum throwing losers to come on with their Nazi, fascist, dictator, misogynists, racist, democracy destroyer etc. etc. puerile little comments citing MSN/MSNBC etc.

[jerrymahoney]

REDUX from https://aseannow.com/topic/1325679-takeaways-from-the-trump-hush-money-trial-opening-statements-and-the-first-witness/

 

 

On 4/23/2024 at 8:28 AM, Walker88 said:
All of that makes the jury more willing to accept the legal definition of the laws NY State alleges trump broke,

 

JerryM: That might not be so cut & dry:

 

 Though the crime of falsifying business records is nominally a misdemeanor, the Manhattan district attorney’s office almost always charges it as a felony. Still, the Trump case stands apart. The Times could identify only two other felony cases in Manhattan over the past decade in which defendants were indicted on charges of falsifying business records but no other crime.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/magazine/alvin-bragg-donald-trump-trial.html

[Cryingdick]

If it is dismissed lefties won't be able to use their favorite term convicted felon as they drool and rub themselves inappropriately. In fact that really isn't true until a sentence is imposed. 

[pattayasan]

6 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

If it is dismissed lefties won't be able to use their favorite term convicted felon as they drool and rub themselves inappropriately. In fact that really isn't true until a sentence is imposed. 

 

Hold on there a bit. The convictions still stand pending any further appeals. As a state case even a self pardon is off the table.

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, pattayasan said:

 

Hold on there a bit. The convictions still stand pending any further appeals. As a state case even a self pardon is off the table.

 

A conviction isn't really official until the sentencing. This is why a defendant will shown up to sentencing in clothes of their choice for example. Once you are sentenced yeah then you become state property.

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

 

A conviction isn't really official until the sentencing. This is why a defendant will shown up to sentencing in clothes of their choice for example. Once you are sentenced yeah then you become state property.

 

Rubbish. He's totally convicted. Trump remains a felon.

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, pattayasan said:

 

Rubbish. He's totally convicted. Trump remains a felon.

No not legally speaking. It needs the sentence to be imposed to stamp it as final.

Edited 6 hours ago by Cryingdick

[pattayasan]

Just now, Cryingdick said:

No not legally speaking. It needs the conviction to stamp it as final.

 

Prove that. I dispute it.

 

A conviction is generally considered “official” once a defendant is found guilty by a judge or jury, regardless of whether sentencing has occurred. Sentencing is a separate phase where the penalties for the conviction are determined. However, the legal status of a conviction can still be affected by appeals, post-trial motions, or legal rulings that challenge its validity, as is the case with Trump’s postponed sentencing. The conviction remains in effect unless overturned or vacated through further legal proceedings.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Prove that. I dispute it.

 

A conviction is generally considered “official” once a defendant is found guilty by a judge or jury, regardless of whether sentencing has occurred. Sentencing is a separate phase where the penalties for the conviction are determined. However, the legal status of a conviction can still be affected by appeals, post-trial motions, or legal rulings that challenge its validity, as is the case with Trump’s postponed sentencing. The conviction remains in effect unless overturned or vacated through further legal proceedings.

No, a felony conviction is not considered "complete" before sentencing. Here’s how the process works:

1. Conviction: A conviction occurs when a person is found guilty of a felony, either through a guilty plea or a verdict at trial. This establishes the person's culpability for the crime.
2. Sentencing: After a conviction, the case proceeds to the sentencing phase, where the court determines the punishment. This phase involves reviewing various factors, such as the severity of the offense, the defendant’s criminal history, and any mitigating or aggravating circumstances.

Although the legal finding of guilt (the conviction) is established before sentencing, the case itself is not fully resolved until sentencing is completed. At that point, the judicial process is finalized unless there are appeals or post-conviction relief efforts.

[pattayasan]

2 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

No, a felony conviction is not considered "complete" before sentencing. Here’s how the process works:

1. Conviction: A conviction occurs when a person is found guilty of a felony, either through a guilty plea or a verdict at trial. This establishes the person's culpability for the crime.
2. Sentencing: After a conviction, the case proceeds to the sentencing phase, where the court determines the punishment. This phase involves reviewing various factors, such as the severity of the offense, the defendant’s criminal history, and any mitigating or aggravating circumstances.

Although the legal finding of guilt (the conviction) is established before sentencing, the case itself is not fully resolved until sentencing is completed. At that point, the judicial process is finalized unless there are appeals or post-conviction relief efforts.

 

Nothing in there says he's not convicted already and remains convicted. The sentencing itself is immaterial to the conviction.

[Cryingdick]

Just now, pattayasan said:

 

Nothing in there says he's not convicted already and remains convicted. The sentencing itself is immaterial to the conviction.

He won't be considered a felon until sentenced. It clearly states that. 

[pattayasan]

2 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

He won't be considered a felon until sentenced. It clearly states that. 

 

It does not say that at all.

[Cryingdick]

5 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

It does not say that at all.

 

Whatever. It basically says it isn't a resolved matter until sentencing. There are numerous legal reasons for this. For example it appears that Trump would have had the ability to vote. However upon searching it gets only results about the election. But regardless if he did or not his legal status wouldnt have prevented him from doing so because it doesn't make a difference before you are sentenced.

[Cryingdick]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/can-trump-vote-now-he-has-felony-convictions

 

 

Can Trump vote in the 2024 election?

Yes, unless he is incarcerated for his felonies in New York at the time of the election

[Cryingdick]

Anyway we are splitting hairs as the case will be thrown out entirely. Trump has a right to a speedy trial under due process and that includes sentencing. So none of this will ever matter as you can't just convict somebody and then hold the sentencing until a time of political convenience.

[theshu25]

44 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

If it is dismissed lefties won't be able to use their favorite term convicted felon as they drool and rub themselves inappropriately. In fact that really isn't true until a sentence is imposed. 

If it looks like a duck,quacks like a duck,walks like a duck,   you can be pretty sure it is a duck.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

If it looks like a duck,quacks like a duck,walks like a duck,   you can be pretty sure it is a duck.

 

The only reason the prosecution is not imposing sentence is Trump will appeal and win. The "convicted" felon moniker is all they have left. If you are legally literate you just say felon. Saying convicted felon is like poker when you call and raise. You look like an idiot because you just say raise. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Cryingdick

[jerrymahoney]

Whatever the outcome of this case, I still like to see the 34 guilty verdicts go down in the numeric hall-of-fame along with Heinz 57 varieties or Baskin-Robbins 31 flavors or KFC's secret 11 herbs & spices. Edited 5 hours ago by jerrymahoney

[OneMoreFarang]

It shows us again what a farce the American system is.

A banana republic. And now lead by a banana president.

It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

[mdr224]

15 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It shows us again what a farce the American system is.

A banana republic. And now lead by a banana president.

It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

The only true democracy left on the planet. Stick to thailands kiddie politics for your own credibility

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, pattayasan said:

 

Hold on there a bit. The convictions still stand pending any further appeals. As a state case even a self pardon is off the table.

Hold on a bit.   Any conviction is not final until sentence has been passed.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, pattayasan said:

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

A conviction isn't really official until the sentencing. This is why a defendant will shown up to sentencing in clothes of their choice for example. Once you are sentenced yeah then you become state property.

 

Rubbish. He's totally convicted. Trump remains a felon.

Rubbish.  Inaccurate.  But if it makes you happy to think otherwise, go ahead.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, pattayasan said:

 

Rubbish. He's totally convicted. Trump remains a felon.

Even if you were right and he remains convicted, so what, what's the big deal?

[Cryingdick]

10 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Rubbish.  Inaccurate.  But if it makes you happy to think otherwise, go ahead.

 

I made some lengthy posts and supported my thesis. If you are unwilling to do so please leave the grown up table. 

 

I will make another point. Bragg is trying to deprive Trump of due process which could exonerate Trump by not passing sentence and denying a right to respond through an appeal. Sometimes a sentencing hearing can be delayed but that is usually at the request of the defendant. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Cryingdick

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Even if you were right and he remains convicted, so what, what's the big deal?

Sorry I must have misread the intention of your post. I don't think I have any argument with you.

[EVENKEEL]

Teflon Don. You can't deny it. 

[In Full Agreement]

10 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Even if you were right and he remains convicted, so what, what's the big deal?

 

 

No problem other than the fact  that TRump has basically usurped the USA justice system.       He's truly "above the law".