Trump wins on the Stormy case as sentencing delayed "indefinitely".

[Wrwest]

5 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

No, a felony conviction is not considered "complete" before sentencing. Here’s how the process works:

1. Conviction: A conviction occurs when a person is found guilty of a felony, either through a guilty plea or a verdict at trial. This establishes the person's culpability for the crime.
2. Sentencing: After a conviction, the case proceeds to the sentencing phase, where the court determines the punishment. This phase involves reviewing various factors, such as the severity of the offense, the defendant’s criminal history, and any mitigating or aggravating circumstances.

Although the legal finding of guilt (the conviction) is established before sentencing, the case itself is not fully resolved until sentencing is completed. At that point, the judicial process is finalized unless there are appeals or post-conviction relief efforts.

Thanks. He is a convicted felon awaiting sentencing. Correct statement, the case is not complete until sentencing.

[Wrwest]

4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Now this really is taking the piss! A "right to a speedy trial under due process"; Trump's defence in this case, and indeed in all the others, state and federal, has been designed around delaying the process until the recent election, in the hope that after winning he could dismiss the federal cases and stymie the state cases.

 

Throw in a liberal measure of good old fashioned mafia gangster thuggery, not so subtle threats to juries, allegations about judges and their family members that if generated by any other defendant would have resulted in them being imprisoned for contempt

 

It worked, but it has resulted, not in justice being served but in cynical manipulation of the " due process", which has allowed him to escape justice, putting the boot into the idea of the rule of law and turning the US judicial system and it's political processes into a laughing stock. Now we have piteous bleats about "lawfare, judicial bias and political prosecutions" interspersed with thunderous demands for revenge and retribution. It has marked (tainted) his administration from even before it assumes office, as I said, turning the US judicial system and it's political processes into a laughing stock; perhaps doing terminal damage to those institutions. 

And now to await to see if he follows through on going after those of us who witnessed Jan. 6, had access to the truthful reporting of the Georgia election interference attempt, the historically documented call for Pence to not certify the election. He will not escape the factual, documented history ... 

[rct99q]

7 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

No not legally speaking. It needs the sentence to be imposed to stamp it as final.

Sad part is, after another 4 years he will be sentenced prison at age 86. Imagine dying in prison at that age. At least Melania will have another 20 years or so of a normal life.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, Wrwest said:

And here I thought under US law the conviction took place when the citizen Trial Jury handed down the Guilty Verdict. but then I do not hold an earned Juris Doctorate Degree ... you?

No, but he has got a red baseball cap...

[mikeymike100]

8 hours ago, novacova said:

The left shot themselves in the butt pretty badly with all their worthless shenanigans and it’s remarkable that so many gullibles fell for their gimmicks. 

Not only remarkable, but truly sad!

The question now is what are the Dems going to do after Jan 20th, start all over again, with more 'shenanigans?

[riclag]

10 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

A conviction isn't really official until the sentencing. This is why a defendant will shown up to sentencing in clothes of their choice for example. Once you are sentenced yeah then you become state property.

Its already been announced by a former NY judge .Anyone saying otherwise believes  in lies and misinformation . He ain’t a convicted felon!Time stamp 3:26

 

 

[riclag]

9 hours ago, mdr224 said:

The only true democracy left on the planet. Stick to thailands kiddie politics for your own credibility

Brilliant 

[riclag]

9 hours ago, novacova said:

The left shot themselves in the butt pretty badly with all their worthless shenanigans and it’s remarkable that so many gullibles fell for their gimmicks. 

The msnbc was strong in many of they/them.

imop

[transam]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

No surprise. Now lets wait for the dummy spitting, toddler tantrum throwing losers to come on with their Nazi, fascist, dictator, misogynists, racist, democracy destroyer etc. etc. puerile little comments citing MSN/MSNBC etc.

Is that your thing................?  

[transam]

2028, Trump arrested as he leaves the White House for the last time..........................................

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Its already been announced by a former NY judge .Anyone saying otherwise believes  in lies and misinformation . He ain’t a convicted felon!Time stamp 3:26

Your post is more of an opinion piece than fact, lacking credible or reliable sources. Let’s set the record straight:

1. Trump's Conviction: Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in the Stormy Daniels case. According to New York law CPL § 380.20, a conviction is official once a jury finds a defendant guilty, and sentencing happens separately. 

2. Andrew Napolitano: Napolitano served as a judge in New Jersey, not New York, so his perspective doesn’t carry weight on this case. His tenure (1987–1995) doesn't make him an authority here.

3. Newsmax and Napolitano’s Credibility: Both are unreliable. Newsmax often pushes biased narratives and conspiracy theories, while Napolitano’s commentary is regularly criticized for lacking factual rigor and objectivity. In 1998 he worked for Fox News until he was reportedly sacked following allegations of sexual misconduct, he then joined Newsmax.

Your accusations of "lies" come across as ironic given your own misleading claims. Credible reliable sources should be the foundation of your argument, not bold, unsupported statements.

NY Law CPL 380.30
 

Edited 23 hours ago by LosLobo

[0ffshore360]

In the fullness of time the real reason this gutless Judge could not follow through with a sentence appropriate to the findings  of a jury will possibly be made known.

As it stands the indefinite stay simply demonstrates the monetized inequity of the US justice system.

 

 

[Peabody]

13 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

A conviction isn't really official until the sentencing. This is why a defendant will shown up to sentencing in clothes of their choice for example. Once you are sentenced yeah then you become state property.

 

SENTENCING occurs post-conviction . He's officially convicted.

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, Peabody said:

 

SENTENCING occurs post-conviction . He's officially convicted.

 
Incorrect. 

[BangkokReady]

He should get the same leeway as the Biden and Clinton families.  This is a fair and just result.  

[G_Money]

6 hours ago, rct99q said:

Sad part is, after another 4 years he will be sentenced prison at age 86. Imagine dying in prison at that age. At least Melania will have another 20 years or so of a normal life.

 Have you woken up yet?  Had a deep sleep I see.

Edited 22 hours ago by G_Money

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, transam said:

2028, Trump arrested as he leaves the White House for the last time..........................................

Sorry mate but it seems like you've completely lost it. Otherwise this is simply trolling (my guess) and I'm not sure why those that determine what breaks the rules on this site allow such nonsense. Arrested? 

[In Full Agreement]

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If you read the news and you don't know what I am talking about, then unfortunately I can't help you.

 

 

Well  put.

 

 

[riclag]

4 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Your post is more of an opinion piece than fact, lacking credible or reliable sources. Let’s set the record straight:

1. Trump's Conviction: Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in the Stormy Daniels case. According to New York law CPL § 380.20, a conviction is official once a jury finds a defendant guilty, and sentencing happens separately. 

2. Andrew Napolitano: Napolitano served as a judge in New Jersey, not New York, so his perspective doesn’t carry weight on this case. His tenure (1987–1995) doesn't make him an authority here.

3. Newsmax and Napolitano’s Credibility: Both are unreliable. Newsmax often pushes biased narratives and conspiracy theories, while Napolitano’s commentary is regularly criticized for lacking factual rigor and objectivity. In 1998 he worked for Fox News until he was reportedly sacked following allegations of sexual misconduct, he then joined Newsmax.

Your accusations of "lies" come across as ironic given your own misleading claims. Credible reliable sources should be the foundation of your argument, not bold, unsupported statements.

NY Law CPL 380.30
 

 

More truths of disinformation  ,none of this has occurred , Stop with your nonsense!

In general. The source,
 

Sentence must be pronounced without unreasonable delay.

2. Court to fix time. Upon entering a conviction the court must:

(a) Fix a date for pronouncing sentence; 

 

Ok i got the new york judge wrong he’s a new jersey constitutional  expert teaching law in New york and other venues !

Im gonna believe the expert over a serial Trump hater any day!

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by riclag

[riclag]

3 hours ago, Peabody said:

 

SENTENCING occurs post-conviction . He's officially convicted.

Why is he allowed to vote?Because he’s not adjudicated in court a convicted felon!

More nonsense from non citizens of America 

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/08/is-trump-a-convicted-felon-president-vote-when-trial-guilty-court-date-sentencing-us/76108799007/

[transam]

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Sorry mate but it seems like you've completely lost it. Otherwise this is simply trolling (my guess) and I'm not sure why those that determine what breaks the rules on this site allow such nonsense. Arrested? 

Yet another riveting post from the guesser.........

As well as not spotting wit.............

 

It would seem you have a crush on Trump, anything not positive about him, in your eyes, is a felony..

 

Oh, did I mention felon..........

 

 

[mikeymike100]

15 hours ago, riclag said:

Its already been announced by a former NY judge .Anyone saying otherwise believes  in lies and misinformation . He ain’t a convicted felon!Time stamp 3:26

 

 

Good one....love it......

[mikeymike100]

15 hours ago, riclag said:

The msnbc was strong in many of they/them.

imop

Be real funny if Elon Musk buys MSNBC that would really have the lefties melting??

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5006095-trump-jr-musk-joke-about-buying-msnbc/

[mikeymike100]

15 hours ago, transam said:

2028, Trump arrested as he leaves the White House for the last time..........................................

Oh dear, whatever it is your taking, you need to stop?😆😂

[transam]

2 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Oh dear, whatever it is your taking, you need to stop?😆😂

Another that has lost his sense of humour..................

[riclag]

4 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Good one....love it......

Correction:Former NJ judge& law professor! Expert in law!

https://www.ramapo.edu/news/press-releases/02_10_2005/

Edited 5 hours ago by riclag

[transam]

4 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Be real funny if Elon Musk buys MSNBC that would really have the lefties melting??

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5006095-trump-jr-musk-joke-about-buying-msnbc/

Not really, it would just show he is using his business cash to change things to suit his mindset, which is, worrying, it seems out of the cash thing, he is a bit odd, but Trump seems to like odd people, just look at his team selection...... 

[mikeymike100]

4 hours ago, transam said:

Another that has lost his sense of humour..................

I could say exactly the same about your sense of humor!!

[transam]

Just now, mikeymike100 said:

I could say exactly the same about your sense of humor!!

Yes, you could...........