So the U.S. elected an autocrat -- what to expect next from a Hungarian perspective

[jas007]

21 hours ago, Hummin said:

Next he hires another putin lover Tulsi Gabbard, and more to come

 The "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset" nonsense originated from Hillary.  That's he go to answer to everything.  Whatever the problem, it was the Russians.  Hillary just can't get over the fact that she lost 2016 and, given her history, she seems to be very much afraid of what happens when the left loses control over the mainstream narrative.  

[Jingthing]

39 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Trump's first term was no worse than most others, and better than many. I doubt that you have the inside knowledge, to which you lay claim, on what his second term will be like. Let's wait and see how things go before passing judgement.

Putin did good things in his earlier years then he transformed into a monster. It's total idiocy to think Trump 2.0 will be the same as early Trump when he actually surrounded himself with decent people that tried to check his insane impulses. Not this time!

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. The autocracy is a real threat but equally worrying is the appointment of RFK the antivax loon to the Health Department.

Related to this subject, I note that the MAGA far right posters have become increasingly aggressive and abusive towards anyone with opinions other than theirs.

Hey MAGA. You won (by the slimmest margin in 140 years) so get over it!

the funny is, the magas is a minority here on the forum, and act like they owns it. 

[Thingamabob]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Putin did good things in his earlier years then he transformed into a monster. It's total idiocy to think Trump 2.0 will be the same as early Trump when he actually surrounded himself with decent people that tried to check his insane impulses. Not this time!

Thanks a bunch for your reference to idiocy. Have a nice day.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

the funny is, the magas is a minority here on the forum, and act like they owns it. 

Not sure about that but they are definitely the loudest and most aggressive. They also like dear leader Mr. Trump are constantly trying to suppress voices of dissent (just as Trump's party tries to suppress voters). Such sore winner anti democratic idiocies as he won, you've been proven wrong, now it's time to shut up!

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not sure about that but they are definitely the loudest and most aggressive. They also like dear leader Mr. Trump are constantly trying to suppress voices of dissent (just as Trump's party tries to suppress voters). Such sore winner anti democratic idiocies as he won, you've been proven wrong, now it's time to shut up!

Therer have been several polls here, and all of them have been below 20% and the survey about being a right wing, got 12%

[mdr224]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not sure about that but they are definitely the loudest and most aggressive. They also like dear leader Mr. Trump are constantly trying to suppress voices of dissent (just as Trump's party tries to suppress voters). Such sore winner anti democratic idiocies as he won, you've been proven wrong, now it's time to shut up!

The forum was alot louder until the election happened. Now the usual left posters are gone, its reached equilibrium 

[howlee101]

21 hours ago, mokwit said:

Not only this but the capture of the institutions is undemocratic, we are having political extremism forced upon us by undemocratic means.

Nothing but hyperbole. Provide an explanation of your comment instead of CNN and/or MSNBC talking points.

[Hummin]

19 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 The "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset" nonsense originated from Hillary.  That's he go to answer to everything.  Whatever the problem, it was the Russians.  Hillary just can't get over the fact that she lost 2016 and, given her history, she seems to be very much afraid of what happens when the left loses control over the mainstream narrative.  

She fits perfect in with all the narratives Trump have given about Putin and Kremlin

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin has officially met with four U.S. presidents, but on Monday he finally got the summit he always wanted. And he didn’t have to say much. He simply let President Trump do the talking for him on key issues, including Ukraine, Crimea, Syria and election interference. In a matter of minutes, and in front of the entire world, the Kremlin won the narrative and Putin strutted out with the glow of victory.

 

The Russian leader emerged on equal footing with the United States, as Trump never challenged Putin and blamed the decline in relations on both sides, saying “the United States has been foolish. I think we’ve all been foolish. … We’re all to blame.”

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/putin-didnt-have-to-push-the-kremlins-narrative-trump-did-it-for-him/

[howlee101]

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Wasn't a landslide. Stop lying. In fact it was among the closest elections in US history. 

Another delusional comment. 312 to 226 is close? 

[howlee101]

10 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

No I didn't. Stop it. 

In his world, it's only a personal attack if anyone disagrees or counters his gibberish. Now he can resort to name calling and unsubstantiated statements and hide behind "it's my opinion". Typical leftist mantra.

[blaze master]

42 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not sure about that but they are definitely the loudest and most aggressive. They also like dear leader Mr. Trump are constantly trying to suppress voices of dissent (just as Trump's party tries to suppress voters). Such sore winner anti democratic idiocies as he won, you've been proven wrong, now it's time to shut up!

 

Lies. 

[Jingthing]

53 minutes ago, howlee101 said:

Another delusional comment. 312 to 226 is close? 

Not close electorally but not even close to a landslide.

As far as popular vote which tells us the actual numbers of voters for or against him, it was among the closest margins in American history.

Trumpists are acting like they have a massive mandate and are are radically overreaching.

They are acting as is almost half the country doesn't even exist.

It is true that they do have massive power now. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, howlee101 said:

In his world, it's only a personal attack if anyone disagrees or counters his gibberish. Now he can resort to name calling and unsubstantiated statements and hide behind "it's my opinion". Typical leftist mantra.

Nope. Read his post. It wasn't disagreement. It was a direct personal attack. 

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, howlee101 said:

Nothing but hyperbole. Provide an explanation of your comment instead of CNN and/or MSNBC talking points.

I was talking about capture by the Left following the strategy of "the Long March Through the Institutions".  If you can't see the leftism/Wokeism for yourself I doubt that I can help you see it.

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Nope. Read his post. It wasn't disagreement. It was a direct personal attack. 

you may or may not be interested in this.

 

RFK Jr explains why JFK was killed. Notice that the power structures CIA / Military Industrial Complex etc ... have a lot of power.

It's not just the president who can do whatever he wants. 

 

https://joehoft.com/rfk-jr-on-the-reason-for-his-uncle-jfks-assassination/

[Hummin]

 Romania election stunner: Unexpected hard-right candidate surges in presidential vote. Another Putin friendly politician in Eastern Europe country. Hungary, Georgia, whos up next? 

 

Erdogan is one of Putins best friends in Nato, together with Orban, and now Trump who several times have announced his respect for Putin. 

 

Another putin friendly countries

These countries include Algeria, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Laos, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Uganda. Russia also maintains positive relations with countries considered neutral on the world stage such as Brazil, Honduras, India, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam.

 

Thailand follows the wind, and many other countries do the same. 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-election-stunner-who-is-calin-georgescu-marcel-ciolacu/

[GypsyT]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

As far as popular vote which tells us the actual numbers of voters for or against him, it was among the closest margins in American history.

I wish you were right but you are not.... Like when Hillary mopped the floor with Donny boy. Yet lost.

 

To my surprise Trump had over 4 million more.... according the independent news.

 

That's why I shut up and suffer next 4 years and spend as little as possible time in the US.

 

[GypsyT]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Another putin friendly countries

These countries include Algeria, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Laos, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Uganda. Russia also maintains positive relations with countries considered neutral on the world stage such as Brazil, Honduras, India, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam.

Add France to the list - Macron talks tough but licks Putin's $;

France LNG Imports From Russia Surge to Annual Record, Data Show

 

[Hummin]

Well, Im sad to see I was right about how this trade blockade would progress the longer the war went on.

 

Russia is back on the same level exporting fertilizers at the end og this year

 

Russia could increase fertilizer production 10% in 2024, boost exports - association

https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/98038/#:~:text=Russia produced 58.6 million tonnes,tonnes of fertilizer in 2021.

 

Russia's five main import partners in 2023 were China, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Germany, and South Korea. The value of Russia's imports from its top partner China amounted to over 111 billion U.S. dollars in that year. Imports from Germany were worth approximately 9.6 billion U.S. dollars

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1002049/russia-leading-import-partners/

[soalbundy]

On 11/24/2024 at 9:28 AM, Hummin said:

The most interesting part is not Trump himself, but who he brings to the table. 

 

Trump denied he had any relations to Project 2025, and now ? 

 

Trump’s cabinet is filling up with Project 2025 authors despite him saying he has ‘no idea’ what it is

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-project-2025-russell-vought-brendan-carr-b2650943.html

 

Quite interesting, or? 

 

 

Nothing lasts forever, dictatorships, capitalism, socialism, democracy are all short term works in progress, hailed for a while, tinkered with for improvement beyond recognition only to sink back from whence they came. Eventually they are taken back out of the drawer of forgetfulness, dusted off and declared the new panacea of societies ills.......it's all crap, nothing can threaten you unless you take it all seriously. 

[Jingthing]

43 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

you may or may not be interested in this.

 

RFK Jr explains why JFK was killed. Notice that the power structures CIA / Military Industrial Complex etc ... have a lot of power.

It's not just the president who can do whatever he wants. 

 

https://joehoft.com/rfk-jr-on-the-reason-for-his-uncle-jfks-assassination/

Trump's cabinet.

Not based on merit. 

Rather, affirmative action for kooks and grifters.

Edited 1 hour ago by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

40 minutes ago, GypsyT said:

I wish you were right but you are not.... Like when Hillary mopped the floor with Donny boy. Yet lost.

 

To my surprise Trump had over 4 million more.... according the independent news.

 

That's why I shut up and suffer next 4 years and spend as little as possible time in the US.

 

I am right.

Percentage margin among the closest in American history. 

[Chwooly]

On 11/24/2024 at 7:30 AM, Jingthing said:

The Trump / Maga autocratic (anti-democratic) movement is modeled after the success of Orban of Hungary to destroy democracy there. So now that the U.S. voters have done what they have done, it's wise to not only learn from history in a general sense, but more specifically to learn from recent Hungarian history.

 

I Watched Orbán Destroy Hungary’s Democracy. Here’s My Advice for the Trump Era. - POLITICO

 

Many believed that after his first term as president, Donald Trump would end up in the dustbin of history. Now Trump is back, and the United States is about to be ruled for the second time by a right-wing populist.

 

Trump’s goal this time is to remake the American government to enhance his power. He isn’t the first modern right-wing populist to attempt this — he is following a playbook pioneered by Hungary’s Viktor Orbán. I lived through Orbán’s power grab as a member of Hungary’s parliament and have been researching populism since. I’ve learned a few things along the way that might help Trump’s opponents understand how he won and how they can fight back.

 

 

You are really obsessed with Trump and are so fearful of what he will do. Yet he was in office for 4 years and the world didn't end then. But  you keep going on and on and on with this fear mongering when there is no basis for for it in reality. 

 

We don't live in a vacuum yet you seem to think and keep spewing nonsense about how "Orange man bad". You really need to find a hobby that occupies  your mind and stop watching MSNBC, CNN, and Rachel Maddow et al. 

 

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” Lazarus Long, (Robert Heinlein in Time enough for love)" 

 

 

[Wrwest]

I await Day One as he is actively (Trump has stated publicly) preparing a host of Executive Orders to take effect immediately. should be akin to a grenade going off and most likely, due to the impressive number of orders, impossible to take immediate effect. May we live in interesting times ... Well, this is what the majority of American voters supported by voting for Trump.

[Wrwest]

On 11/24/2024 at 9:15 AM, Yagoda said:

The Hungarian people knowingly and fairly elected Orban. His policies have the approval of the people.

 

His opponents do not.

 

Same with Trump.

 

There are winners and there are losers.

Certainly agree ... and now to await the result of my country, even with its many flaws, being lost.

[Wrwest]

On 11/24/2024 at 9:34 AM, Yagoda said:

Nothing wrong with right wing movements, they arent necessarily authoritarian like Leftist movements are. A true democratic republic by its very nature is right wing. American democracy is "right wing". 

 

After all, most of the death, hate, violence and destruction in this world is the result of the Left. 

Happy Hanukah ... from 6+ million. 

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Happy Hanukah ... from 6+ million. 

Victims of the National Socialists

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Putin did good things in his earlier years then he transformed into a monster. It's total idiocy to think Trump 2.0 will be the same as early Trump when he actually surrounded himself with decent people that tried to check his insane impulses. Not this time!

Translation: Trump has a mandate to halt the creeping authoritarianism of the Left, which means that my personal weltanschauung has been rejected so I will continue to scream lies.

 

Tell us who the "decent" people are.

Tell us what the "insane impulses" were.

 

Crickets

[rct99q]

On 11/24/2024 at 9:15 AM, Yagoda said:

The Hungarian people knowingly and fairly elected Orban. His policies have the approval of the people.

 

His opponents do not.

 

Same with Trump.

 

There are winners and there are losers.

Of course there are. However it was 76m vs 73m people. How will a Republican lead Government recognize the 73 million people. Democrats have never said they would punish those who voted against them. The Republicans have a great chance to become the great unifiers and offer a hand out to those 73 million, vs, the possibility of various states banding together and resisting the federal state.