So the U.S. elected an autocrat -- what to expect next from a Hungarian perspective

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, rct99q said:

Of course there are. However it was 76m vs 73m people. How will a Republican lead Government recognize the 73 million people. Democrats have never said they would punish those who voted against them. The Republicans have a great chance to become the great unifiers and offer a hand out to those 73 million, vs, the possibility of various states banding together and resisting the federal state.

There is zero chance Trump will do that.

[Yagoda]

19 minutes ago, rct99q said:

Of course there are. However it was 76m vs 73m people. How will a Republican lead Government recognize the 73 million people. Democrats have never said they would punish those who voted against them. The Republicans have a great chance to become the great unifiers and offer a hand out to those 73 million, vs, the possibility of various states banding together and resisting the federal state.

So thats the Lefts game plan. Ignore and resist the expressed will of the people in order to impose THEIR vision of what the country should be? How authoritarian.

 

by the way, who said Repblicans should "punish" those who vote against them? What was the exact quote, in context?

 

 

 

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is zero chance Trump will do that.

Zero chance that Trump will do what?

[rct99q]

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So thats the Lefts game plan. Ignore and resist the expressed will of the people in order to impose THEIR vision of what the country should be? How authoritarian.

 

by the way, who said Repblicans should "punish" those who vote against them? What was the exact quote, in context?

 

 

 

Who said Repblicans should "punish" those who vote against them?

By the way "that's the Lefts game plan" please link a quote.

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, rct99q said:

Who said Repblicans should "punish" those who vote against them?

By the way "that's the Lefts game plan" please link a quote.

I dont need to post a link to someone elses opinion, when I have my own carefully reasoned opinion. 

 

Would you like to debate the question:

 

Do Democrats have a plan to resist the Trump Administrations efforts to reform the Federal Government and prevent further authoritarianism.?

 

Feel free to start a topic. 

 

[rct99q]

Don't really care. Not my country however it will be interesting to see the US tear itself apart and have countries like China, India, and Russia pick up what is left.

[GammaGlobulin]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No worries. I do appreciate your satirical voice. I may be the only one. 

 

Yes.

Very likely the only one....so sad to say....

 

But this circumstance is, no doubt, principally due to your superior intelligence, as well as your being a superior judge of character.

 

[Chwooly]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Zero chance that Trump will do what?

Win the election. Oh wait, that happened, So whatever anyone says Trump has 0% chance just means they hope he won't so they are proven right because Orange Man Bad

[Jingthing]

56 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

Win the election. Oh wait, that happened, So whatever anyone says Trump has 0% chance just means they hope he won't so they are proven right because Orange Man Bad

Is that the weave?

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, rct99q said:

Don't really care. Not my country however it will be interesting to see the US tear itself apart and have countries like China, India, and Russia pick up what is left.

Well the US and the west are certainly in peril. Caving to Putin in Ukraine would make it much worse.

[simple1]

7 hours ago, Hummin said:

Therer have been several polls here, and all of them have been below 20% and the survey about being a right wing, got 12%

 

Disinformation

[Chwooly]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well the US and the west are certainly in peril. Caving to Putin in Ukraine would make it much worse.

But caving to him in Crimea, trading a basketball player for an Arms Dealer and returning 6 billion in frozen assets to Iran benefitted the US and the west how? 

[Chwooly]

7 hours ago, Hummin said:

the funny is, the magas is a minority here on the forum, and act like they owns it. 

Oh you mean like how Trans people and progressive act like their opinion is the only 1 that matters? 

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

Oh you mean like how Trans people and progressive act like their opinion is the only 1 that matters? 

You have to give me an example, since we really do not have a minority problem in my country. Everybody is equal, and we still have two sexes only, 

[GammaGlobulin]

13 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

Oh you mean like how Trans people and progressive act like their opinion is the only 1 that matters? 

 

I am thinking about being a Trans Person, IF I decide to go to Malaya...that is.

 

Anyway....IMHO....People are just People....And....I do not discriminate....EVER....

 

I live and let live, because......

 

We only live Twice.....

 

AND, I do not know about you....BUT.....I simply LOVE....

BROCCOLI......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

And, Nancy, too, of course.....!!!!

 

 

[Chwooly]

21 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You have to give me an example, since we really do not have a minority problem in my country. Everybody is equal, and we still have two sexes only, 

You almost had me, Nice troll post. If you need an example then why do you post as if you are familiar with world and US events? 

[Hummin]

31 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

You almost had me, Nice troll post. If you need an example then why do you post as if you are familiar with world and US events? 

Just give me a list of actual woke problems Biden government forced on sane Americans? 

 

 

[scottiejohn]

38 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

why do you post as if you are familiar with world and US events? 

Why does it post about any of the cr@p that it posts?

It definitely is NOT familiar with most of it!

[scottiejohn]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Just give me a list of actual woke problems Biden government forced on sane Americans? 

 

 

Are there many "sane Americans" given that the USA have voted the orange turnip in as president?

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Well the US and the west are certainly in peril. Caving to Putin in Ukraine would make it much worse.

Id question you as to the basis of your belief but you wont answer, as always, because you dont have any,

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

You have to give me an example, since we really do not have a minority problem in my country. Everybody is equal, and we still have two sexes only, 

You dont have a minority problem in your country because its cold and you dont let them in.

 

You also get to have a nice country full of freebees since the American taxpayer protects you.

 

PS Saying there are only two sexes is not permitted in the Democrat party in the USA

[Yagoda]

35 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Are there many "sane Americans" given that the USA have voted the orange turnip in as president?

Yes, 76 million of them. How bout in your little backwater?

[scottiejohn]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yes, 76 million of them. How bout in your little backwater?

What I do with my water is none of your business!

[frank83628]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Maga-Trump and Orban.

Joined at the hip.

 

"...lead with culture wars and end up with DICTATORSHIP."

 

 

You proved him right

[Chwooly]

46 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Are there many "sane Americans" given that the USA have voted the orange turnip in as president?

Define Sane

 

Here is a link in case  you need it. But unfortunately it is open to interpretation. and I am too lazy to type a massive text to explain my version. 5555

 

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sane

 

 

[ericbj]

On 11/24/2024 at 7:30 AM, Jingthing said:

The Trump / Maga autocratic (anti-democratic) movement is modeled after the success of Orban of Hungary to destroy democracy there. So now that the U.S. voters have done what they have done, it's wise to not only learn from history in a general sense, but more specifically to learn from recent Hungarian history.

 

I Watched Orbán Destroy Hungary’s Democracy. Here’s My Advice for the Trump Era. - POLITICO

 

Many believed that after his first term as president, Donald Trump would end up in the dustbin of history. Now Trump is back, and the United States is about to be ruled for the second time by a right-wing populist.

 

Trump’s goal this time is to remake the American government to enhance his power. He isn’t the first modern right-wing populist to attempt this — he is following a playbook pioneered by Hungary’s Viktor Orbán. I lived through Orbán’s power grab as a member of Hungary’s parliament and have been researching populism since. I’ve learned a few things along the way that might help Trump’s opponents understand how he won and how they can fight back.

The U.S. has long had rule by a puppet of the plutocracy.

 

The electorate was offered two bad choices, and the majority chose the candidate whose debatable competence for the job had not been fully disproven.  Since, during his previous term in office, he had been constantly thwarted in his intentions.

 

The system needs overhauling so people have better choices, and big money has less say.

 

[And, by the by, the public needs real live journalism from MSM, in place of set-piece narratives]

[scottiejohn]

32 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

Define Sane

 

Here is a link in case  you need it. But unfortunately it is open to interpretation

if "unfortunately it is open to interpretation" why post it?

[Chwooly]

15 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

if "unfortunately it is open to interpretation" why post it?

Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? What part of being too lazy to type a massive text to explain my version. 5555 are you unable to understand?

 

[TedG]

On 11/23/2024 at 7:30 PM, Jingthing said:

The Trump / Maga autocratic (anti-democratic) movement is modeled after the success of Orban of Hungary to destroy democracy there. So now that the U.S. voters have done what they have done, it's wise to not only learn from history in a general sense, but more specifically to learn from recent Hungarian history.

 

I Watched Orbán Destroy Hungary’s Democracy. Here’s My Advice for the Trump Era. - POLITICO

 

Many believed that after his first term as president, Donald Trump would end up in the dustbin of history. Now Trump is back, and the United States is about to be ruled for the second time by a right-wing populist.

 

Trump’s goal this time is to remake the American government to enhance his power. He isn’t the first modern right-wing populist to attempt this — he is following a playbook pioneered by Hungary’s Viktor Orbán. I lived through Orbán’s power grab as a member of Hungary’s parliament and have been researching populism since. I’ve learned a few things along the way that might help Trump’s opponents understand how he won and how they can fight back.

 

It is best to understand the definitions of words before using them in a post. The US has three branches of government: the Executive branch, the judicial branch, and the legislative branch.   Trump cannot change this. 

 

Autocratic government

A system of government where the ruler, or autocrat, has complete power. There is no system of checks and balances, and the ruler is not accountable to the people, press, or a cabinet of advisors. Autocratic governments include all forms of dictatorship and some forms of monarchy.

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

It is best to understand the definitions of words before using them in a post. The US has three branches of government: the Executive branch, the judicial branch, and the legislative branch.   Trump cannot change this. 

 

Autocratic government

A system of government where the ruler, or autocrat, has complete power. There is no system of checks and balances, and the ruler is not accountable to the people, press, or a cabinet of advisors. Autocratic governments include all forms of dictatorship and some forms of monarchy.

So very naive.

Opinion | Four ways Trump will undermine the authority of Congress - The Washington Post

 

Quote

 

The president-elect is setting the stage for a vast, dangerous and unconstitutional expansion of presidential power

 

While a worried nation tries to make sense of Donald Trump’s spate of unqualified, extreme nominees, the president-elect is setting the stage for an even more alarming takeover: a vast, dangerous and unconstitutional expansion of presidential power. This agenda includes not just emasculating the Senate’s advice-and-consent role but also refusing to spend money that lawmakers have appropriated, curbing the independence of federal regulatory agencies and eviscerating the nonpartisan civil service.

Political appointees, however appalling, come and go, and the worst of Trump’s picks should be stopped. But we cannot lose sight of more enduring perils to democracy. These aren’t just bad policies (Trump has plenty of those, starting with his threat to conduct mass deportations); they are structural changes. And once these guardrails are demolished, restoring them will be nearly impossible, and the damage to the constitutional order might be irreparable.