The '50-50 Race' Pre-Election Polls Were Phony

[rwilem]

From a member of the Harris campaign's inner circle.

 “I think it surprised people, because there was these public polls that came out in late September, early October, showing us with leads that we never saw.”

 

The campaign's closely-guarded internal polls revealed they were in trouble. 'Conventional wisdom' (or if you were paying attention) would be those polls showing an even race, or even with Kamala ahead, were phony. They were rigged to make the election look close, and amplified by the MSM for all sorts of reasons.

 

 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-aides-suggest-campaign-was-just-doomed_uk_6746c816e4b0733bf01e0251

 

Huff Post is a Dem-friendly outlet, for what it's worth. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:01 AM by rwilem

[expat_4_life]

34 minutes ago, rwilem said:

The '50-50 Race' Pre-Election Polls Were Phony

 

From a member of the Harris campaign's inner circle.

 “I think it surprised people, because there was these public polls that came out in late September, early October, showing us with leads that we never saw.”

 

It's a form of demoralization and voter suppression.  A constant barrage of fascist, dictator, felon, and whatever other language/smears they used in conjunction with the fake polls was all intended to make you feel that voting Trump would not matter.

In the end it was not enough ... democracy won the night of Nov 5.

[herfiehandbag]

Except, looking at the actual voting figures, they were not that far off!

 

Look, I make no secret of my dislike for Trump, and just about everything he stands for. I have little time for much of the agenda of the Democratic Party.

That doesn't matter, in as much as I am 1) not an American, and 2) under the American system he won.

 

But it was effectively a straight binary choice, and he got less than 50%of the vote. Under the US system he won, but it was hardly a crushing victory for democracy!

[dinsdale]

What's glaringly missing from this article is the fact that she was an absolutely useless, cackling idiot, inarticulate, non question answering candidate that focused on Trump, had the MSM pushing the progressive left rhetoric for her, only did softball interviews and surrounded herself with rss licking celebrities. 

[dinsdale]

14 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

But it was effectively a straight binary choice, and he got less than 50%of the vote. Under the US system he won, but it was hardly a crushing victory for democracy!

End of the day he got more votes than her and won all that was on offer. The Electoral College Vote, The Popular Vote, all the swing states, control of the Senate and control of the House. The people voted against Harris and the Democrats and voted for change. The people as the saying goes have spoken. 

[Cryingdick]

22 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

End of the day he got more votes than her and won all that was on offer. The Electoral College Vote, The Popular Vote, all the swing states, control of the Senate and control of the House. The people voted against Harris and the Democrats and voted for change. The people as the saying goes have spoken. 

 

Largely because what the dems didn't realize is that even though Trump is disliked by a lot of people, the only people more universally despised were the dems. They are like that team you always hope gets obliterated because you hate their fans so much. The team itself you really don't fault, but the supporters are so arrogant, nasty, hate filled and nauseating you just can't wish any part of the organization success ever.

 

I think most the lefties living outside the USA are completely unaware of how many people loathe them.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:06 PM by Cryingdick

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

End of the day he got more votes than her and won all that was on offer. The Electoral College Vote, The Popular Vote, all the swing states, control of the Senate and control of the House. The people voted against Harris and the Democrats and voted for change. The people as the saying goes have spoken. 

 

Have they finished counting the votes in California. They could still be counting them this time next year.

[EveryG]

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The '50-50 Race' Pre-Election Polls Were Phony

Except....it was literally a 50-50 race. As of this moment, Trump has 49.8% and Harris 48.3%

PA: 50.4/ 48.6

MI: 49.7/ 48.3

WI: 49.6/ 48.8

 

So, how exactly were the polls phony? Looks to me like they were well within the margin of error. This is how statistics work. Numbers have never been the strong suit of MAGAs (nor words, nor facts, no common sense). 

[EveryG]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

I think most the lefties living outside the USA are completely unaware of how many people loathe them.

I think mot people are aware that the Republican party under Donald Trump is a party of hate, but thanks for reminding us daily while living up to your name. 

[Hanaguma]

25 minutes ago, EveryG said:

Except....it was literally a 50-50 race. As of this moment, Trump has 49.8% and Harris 48.3%

PA: 50.4/ 48.6

MI: 49.7/ 48.3

WI: 49.6/ 48.8

 

So, how exactly were the polls phony? Looks to me like they were well within the margin of error. This is how statistics work. Numbers have never been the strong suit of MAGAs (nor words, nor facts, no common sense). 

You could also look back at 2020 and say the same thing;

WI 49.4/ 48.8

GA 49.5/ 49.2

AZ 49.4/ 49.0

PA 50.0/ 48.8

 

All razor thin wins for Biden. But wins nonetheless and they made Biden the winner.  Time to stop obsessing over the numbers and deal with reality.

[EveryG]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

You could also look back at 2020 and say the same thing;

WI 49.4/ 48.8

GA 49.5/ 49.2

AZ 49.4/ 49.0

PA 50.0/ 48.8

 

All razor thin wins for Biden. But wins nonetheless and they made Biden the winner.  Time to stop obsessing over the numbers and deal with reality.

Yeah, it was close...but that's not the argument being put forward here. The claim is that the polls were phony to suppress the vote. The polls were not phony, they were spot on. So how is that suppressing the vote? You guys get caught in saying BS and then change the topic. 

[Cryingdick]

50 minutes ago, EveryG said:

I think mot people are aware that the Republican party under Donald Trump is a party of hate, but thanks for reminding us daily while living up to your name. 

 

I am glad my name is as annoying as I intended it be. 

[proton]

50 minutes ago, EveryG said:

I think mot people are aware that the Republican party under Donald Trump is a party of hate, but thanks for reminding us daily while living up to your name. 

 

Yes, they hate illegal immigration, killing babies, trans nonsense, inflation, wars, taxes and traitors. Some thing need to be hated.

[KhunLA]

Same in 2016, when had clinton winning right up to the end, when she lost om a landslide of EC votes.

 

Why MSM and polls are a joke 

[sscc]

Except one particular,  I don't doubt and deem 50-50 call phony. 

 

Replacing Biden in late July,  Kamala had every thing going her way in August and September too,  particularly Kamala had a strong DEBATE against a surprising poor Trump showing in the ABC debate early/mid Sept.  

 

Only turning into the final 3 weeks, some polls and betting pool had Trump got into the lead.

 

What is so damn phony is that in the final week,  out-of-the-blue there was so called credible IOWA Poll stated she led 4% in IOWA ( voting was Trump won 10+ % in Iowa ),   it is very certain it was money-biased phony poll.  

[Yellowtail]

17 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Except, looking at the actual voting figures, they were not that far off!

 

Look, I make no secret of my dislike for Trump, and just about everything he stands for. I have little time for much of the agenda of the Democratic Party.

That doesn't matter, in as much as I am 1) not an American, and 2) under the American system he won.

 

But it was effectively a straight binary choice, and he got less than 50%of the vote. Under the US system he won, but it was hardly a crushing victory for democracy!

Except that if the popular was what mattered, campaigning would be much different, and popular vote margin would be wider. 

[thesetat2013]

On 11/27/2024 at 9:26 PM, EveryG said:

Except....it was literally a 50-50 race. As of this moment, Trump has 49.8% and Harris 48.3%

PA: 50.4/ 48.6

MI: 49.7/ 48.3

WI: 49.6/ 48.8

 

So, how exactly were the polls phony? Looks to me like they were well within the margin of error. This is how statistics work. Numbers have never been the strong suit of MAGAs (nor words, nor facts, no common sense). 

It was all a giant scam. A $1.5 billion Ponzi scheme!" the viral post said. 

https://nypost.com/2024/11/27/us-news/harris-camps-own-polling-never-showed-vp-leading-trump-team-surprised-by-reports-showing-her-ahead-sr-adviser/

[Chosenfew]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:25 PM, herfiehandbag said:

Except, looking at the actual voting figures, they were not that far off!

 

Look, I make no secret of my dislike for Trump, and just about everything he stands for. I have little time for much of the agenda of the Democratic Party.

That doesn't matter, in as much as I am 1) not an American, and 2) under the American system he won.

 

But it was effectively a straight binary choice, and he got less than 50%of the vote. Under the US system he won, but it was hardly a crushing victory for democracy!

Say it again:

 

[BritManToo]

On 11/28/2024 at 3:12 AM, KhunLA said:

Same in 2016, when had clinton winning right up to the end, when she lost om a landslide of EC votes.

 

Why MSM and polls are a joke 

The bookies usually get it right though.

Makes you wonder how the polls could be so wrong without being corrupt.

[khunjeff]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:38 PM, dinsdale said:

she was an absolutely useless, cackling idiot, inarticulate, non question answering candidate

 

As opposed to Trump's incisive, sparkling, laser-focused responses in interviews. Uh huh.

[newbee2022]

On 11/27/2024 at 5:55 PM, rwilem said:

From a member of the Harris campaign's inner circle.

 “I think it surprised people, because there was these public polls that came out in late September, early October, showing us with leads that we never saw.”

 

The campaign's closely-guarded internal polls revealed they were in trouble. 'Conventional wisdom' (or if you were paying attention) would be those polls showing an even race, or even with Kamala ahead, were phony. They were rigged to make the election look close, and amplified by the MSM for all sorts of reasons.

 

 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-aides-suggest-campaign-was-just-doomed_uk_6746c816e4b0733bf01e0251

 

Huff Post is a Dem-friendly outlet, for what it's worth. 

 

Give us peace 🥱🥱🥱

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/28/2024 at 2:05 AM, Cryingdick said:

 

Largely because what the dems didn't realize is that even though Trump is disliked by a lot of people, the only people more universally despised were the dems. They are like that team you always hope gets obliterated because you hate their fans so much. The team itself you really don't fault, but the supporters are so arrogant, nasty, hate filled and nauseating you just can't wish any part of the organization success ever.

 

I think most the lefties living outside the USA are completely unaware of how many people loathe them.

 

 

I like that post. Summarized it well.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, khunjeff said:

 

As opposed to Trump's incisive, sparkling, laser-focused responses in interviews. Uh huh.

You talking about the guy that WON?

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The bookies usually get it right though.

Makes you wonder how the polls could be so wrong without being corrupt.

You don't need to wonder. You aced it.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/28/2024 at 4:00 AM, EveryG said:

Yeah, it was close...but that's not the argument being put forward here. The claim is that the polls were phony to suppress the vote. The polls were not phony, they were spot on. So how is that suppressing the vote? You guys get caught in saying BS and then change the topic. 

So spot that the one they had in the lead lost? In fact, on the day there was never any real chance she was going to win.

Are you claiming that all the ones that were going to vote Harris changed their minds while at the voting booth?

[Wrwest]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:25 PM, herfiehandbag said:

Except, looking at the actual voting figures, they were not that far off!

 

Look, I make no secret of my dislike for Trump, and just about everything he stands for. I have little time for much of the agenda of the Democratic Party.

That doesn't matter, in as much as I am 1) not an American, and 2) under the American system he won.

 

But it was effectively a straight binary choice, and he got less than 50%of the vote. Under the US system he won, but it was hardly a crushing victory for democracy!

While I agree, as an American, I will await the concrete results. We have a beginning in his appointments ... less than impressive qualifications for most but quite good to achieve his stated goal of disrupting the government institutions. Well, that is what my fellow Americans voted to support. Me? I am an economic refugee living in a lower cost country. I will keep my head down and sadly observe from the other side of the globe.

[Wrwest]

3 hours ago, Chosenfew said:

Say it again:

 

As has been observed, this representation is misleading as it shows land mass not people voting. Absolutely, Trump and his Project 2025 ilk won this election. And I do not care to waste time on "what ifs", awaiting concrete actions ... such as the majority of his nominees for appointed posts. Quite positive ... to carry out his stated goal of disrupting the federal government.

[suzannegoh]

22 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Except that if the popular was what mattered, campaigning would be much different, and popular vote margin would be wider. 

Most likely that's true.  Trump didn't really bother campaigning in California,  That alone might have cost a couple million popular votes.

[Yellowtail]

46 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

While I agree, as an American, I will await the concrete results. We have a beginning in his appointments ... less than impressive qualifications for most but quite good to achieve his stated goal of disrupting the government institutions. Well, that is what my fellow Americans voted to support. Me? I am an economic refugee living in a lower cost country. I will keep my head down and sadly observe from the other side of the globe.

Which appointments do you think have unimpressive qualifications, and why? 

[Yellowtail]

35 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

Most likely that's true.  Trump didn't really bother campaigning in California,  That alone might have cost a couple million popular votes.

If the electoral college were eliminated, candidates would only campaign in large urban areas, and the only concern would be for issues that affect them.