Here we go. Mega MAGA Mess is coming. Is SS, MediCare etc gone... soon?

[GypsyT]

2 hours ago, candide said:

That's particularly the case of rural counties, with decreasing revenues and job numbers, which are core MAGA strongholds.

Do you know why they vote for Republicans? Don't they know Dems gave them all?

Are they stupid? Brain washed?

I don't understand this at all....

[transam]

Just now, GypsyT said:

Do you know why they vote for Republicans? Don't they know Dems gave them all?

Are they stupid? Brain washed?

I don't understand this at all....

Perhaps worship anyone with money, look where Musk is now in the Trump thingy...........

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, GypsyT said:

Do you know why they vote for Republicans? Don't they know Dems gave them all?

Are they stupid? Brain washed?

I don't understand this at all....

Only leftists know how great the left is. 

[theblether]

I see the Democrats are on yet another terror psyop against their voters. These people are filth, there is no lie they are not prepared to spread. 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

He's not even in office yet and the left is already lying about broken promises. 

 

 

A prediction is not a lie, it's a prediction.😊

The fact that there is a significant number of GOP voters currently benefitting from federal welfare programs is also not a lie.

[candide]

8 minutes ago, theblether said:

I see the Democrats are on yet another terror psyop against their voters. These people are filth, there is no lie they are not prepared to spread. 

It's not the Dems spreading terror rumors, it 's the DODGE nutters.

 

Musk announced he will cut federal expenses by $2 trillion, that's 30% of the federal budget. It's huge!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdj38mekdkgo

 

How will they achieve it without cutting into welfare budgets? How would GOP beneficiaries be unaffected by it? 

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

It's not the Dems spreading terror rumors, it 's the DODGE nutters.

 

Musk announced he will cut federal expenses by $2 trillion, that's 30% of the federal budget. It's huge!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdj38mekdkgo

 

How will they achieve it without cutting into welfare budgets? How would GOP beneficiaries be unaffected by it? 

 

 

Maybe they will only cut the benefits to leftists. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, GypsyT said:

Do you know why they vote for Republicans? Don't they know Dems gave them all?

Are they stupid? Brain washed?

I don't understand this at all....

It's a question of pride. In the American society, it's hard to be a loser. The American culture is praising winners and is rather despising losers. Trump tells them it's not their fault, it's because of the deep state, the Washington elite, and other similar B.S. 😃

[Yellowtail]

41 minutes ago, candide said:

It's a question of pride. In the American society, it's hard to be a loser. The American culture is praising winners and is rather despising losers. Trump tells them it's not their fault, it's because of the deep state, the Washington elite, and other similar B.S. 😃

It's only the left that despised the losers, everyone else has empathy for them. 

 

 

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's only the left that despised the losers, everyone else has empathy for them. 

 

 

Right, like trump calling McCain a loser, calling fallen soldiers losers.

This is not a left-right issue, like you make out everything to be, but a societal issue.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Right, like trump calling McCain a loser, calling fallen soldiers losers.

This is not a left-right issue, like you make out everything to be, but a societal issue.

What Trump said against McCaine was despicable.

 

That Trump called fallen solders losers is a lie, and you should quit saying it. 

[stevenl]

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What Trump said against McCaine was despicable.

 

That Trump called fallen solders losers is a lie, and you should quit saying it. 

You're ignoring the point. Seems to be more and more a habit of yours.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You're ignoring the point. Seems to be more and more a habit of yours.

What's the point, that you hate Trump? 

 

Who called them "deplorables", "chumps and dregs", "bitter clingers" and "garbage"?

 

But you're right, I should have said It's only mostly the left that despises the losers.

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Right, like trump calling McCain a loser, calling fallen soldiers losers.

This is not a left-right issue, like you make out everything to be, but a societal issue.

Trump did not call fallen soldiers losers. It was a dreadful lie by dishonest media.

Just like the lie about praising nazis and white supremacists at Charlotte(he didnt).

Just so many lies about Trump. No surprise those with little time to do proper homework and yes, the lower intellect casual observers, got sucked into the false orange man bad narrative.

[Hawaiian]

13 hours ago, Airalee said:

When do some of recipients need to take responsibility for their own health?  
 

Why does SNAP cover the crap that these obese land whales stuff their pieholes with? 

over 1000 results for SNAP and EBT just for chocolate?!!!

 

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=chocolate&rh=p_n_program_participation%3A17428820011&dc&ds=v1%3AmSXwuD%2Fy2RepJLgGJDauN%2B5vQ6NgA4YrZnnIr5eNFkA&crid=2IQ0VK4PZRYBC&qid=1733552509&rnid=17428819011&sprefix=Cho%2Caps%2C355&ref=sr_nr_p_n_program_participation_1

 

Are healthy people supposed to subsidize diets of Doritos and Mountain Dew?

Why are these fatties not required to exercise?

 

The ACA was a complete scam.  I haven’t been able to buy health insurance through it ever.  
 

Instead, I was approved for Medicaid….only because I’m one of those people they can hit with the clawback provision but will not give me any control over the healthcare or provider I choose.

 

That’s why I moved to Thailand. 

My girlfriend and I frequently talk about people not taking care of themselves with their poor eating habits.  We also agree that our tax dollars should not go to buying junk food for SNAP recipients. 

She has excellent, company-paid health insurance through her employer and me with Medicare and Tricare. 

[Hawaiian]

13 hours ago, Airalee said:

I’m thinking that when the time comes, I might as well eschew Medicare.  
 

Cheaper to just spend my twilight years in Thailand and when cash pay healthcare becomes unaffordable (I have insurance but don’t use it) just self administer my own palliative care.

Being reasonably healthy and physically active, I never thought I would be needing the medical services I am receiving today, care that I could never provide on my own.  Nice that you are being positive about caring for yourself, but when a medical condition make you miserable and causes nearly unbearable pain, you may not be able to care for yourself.

[TedG]

11 hours ago, GypsyT said:

Do you know why they vote for Republicans? Don't they know Dems gave them all?

Are they stupid? Brain washed?

I don't understand this at all....

The dems gave us a 20 percent increase in prices a few years.

 

why did you stupid people vote for this? Are you brained washed?

 

I don’t understand at all…

[cdemundo]

11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It's only the left that despised the losers, everyone else has empathy for them. 

 

 

 OH please.

[Hawaiian]

On 12/3/2024 at 10:13 PM, Lacessit said:

Trump has got what he wants from the voters. A get out of jail free card. More opportunities to bilk taxpayers.

 

If you think he's not going to throw some of the people who voted for him under a bus, you are delusional.

 

Appointing a recovering heroin addict as his Health czar, what could go wrong?

Experience counts a lot in job performance, especially in a supervisory position.  Illegal drugs aren't any different.  Some of the best substance abuse counselors are former users.  One of my tenants served time for dealing.  She has cleaned up act and has a job dealing with recovering addicts.  She moved to another NGO and was lured back by her former employer with an offer she couldn't refuse.  She has been one of my best tenants.

Also please elaborate how Trump has  bilked taxpayers.

Seems you are willing to say anything to badmouth Trump.

[RetiredNavy71]

21 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Only cutting the actual benefit component is "vital" to anyone. As long as you get the same payment every month, would you not want the taxpayers to pay as little as possible for you to get it? 

 

I think many of Trump's policies will help drive revenue for Social Security and Medicare up. 

Well given Trump's propensity to say alot but not necessarily do anything to back up the bluster will determine what Trump's policies will do.  Stay tuned bud...

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Experience counts a lot in job performance, especially in a supervisory position.  Illegal drugs aren't any different.  Some of the best substance abuse counselors are former users.  One of my tenants served time for dealing.  She has cleaned up act and has a job dealing with recovering addicts.  She moved to another NGO and was lured back by her former employer with an offer she couldn't refuse.  She has been one of my best tenants.

Also please elaborate how Trump has  bilked taxpayers.

Seems you are willing to say anything to badmouth Trump.

When Trump played golf during his first Presidency, he played on his own golf courses. His Secret Service detail was billeted in the accommodation areas of whatever golf courses he played, mostly Bedminster. The Secret Service numbers were enlarged, due to the extra vulnerability of a golf course.

 

On average, the Trump property charged the American taxpayer $800,000 each time Trump was golfing, for Secret Service accommodation and food. Trump played golf over 300 times. That's $240 million. Highly unlikely the Trump properties were giving discounts.

 

Point taken re recovering addicts. However,permit me to doubt an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist and anti-fluoride campaigner is the best choice for improving public health.

 

Since 1966, when the Governor of Hawaii banned fluoridation, that state is the worst in America for dental caries.

 

I don't need to badmouth Trump, his actions and words do it for him.

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

When Trump played golf during his first Presidency, he played on his own golf courses. His Secret Service detail was billeted in the accommodation areas of whatever golf courses he played, mostly Bedminster. The Secret Service numbers were enlarged, due to the extra vulnerability of a golf course.

 

On average, the Trump property charged the American taxpayer $800,000 each time Trump was golfing, for Secret Service accommodation and food. Trump played golf over 300 times. That's $240 million. Highly unlikely the Trump properties were giving discounts.

 

Point taken re recovering addicts. However,permit me to doubt an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist and anti-fluoride campaigner is the best choice for improving public health.

 

Since 1966, when the Governor of Hawaii banned fluoridation, that state is the worst in America for dental caries.

 

I don't need to badmouth Trump, his actions and words do it for him.

First off, it seem you have your own definition of "bilk."  Yes, one might say Trump took advantage of the situation.  Remember, it is the duty of the SS to protect the president no matter where he is or what he is doing.  It was Trump's prerogative to play gold where he chose.  About where the SS bunks, I have no idea who makes the rules.

As far as Kennedy's anti-vaccine and anti-fluoride stance goes, I agree with you.  I believe that both vaccines and fluoride work.  There is overwhelming evidence that they do.

I recall my mother having our dentist apply an awful tasting fluoride coating on our teeth.  That was around 1956 or so. 

It is interesting to note that it is Tulsi Gabbard's father, Mike, who is co-sponsoring an anti-fluoride bill in the Hawaii legislature. He claims that is what his constituent favor.  I think it has more to do with his beliefs in Guru Chris Butler's Church of Scientology. Right now only military facilities on Oahu have fluoride added to their drinking water.

 

[gamb00ler]

On 12/4/2024 at 3:41 PM, John Drake said:

Only citizens should be eligible for social security, medicare, and medicaid. And being head of a household does not bring in non-citizen family members into any program.

LOL... a very extreme viewpoint.   There a lots of legal immigrants that pay exactly the same share of FICA, federal and state income taxes, etc.  They are just as entitled to the benefits as citizens.  Many of those legal immigrants are on the path to citizenship.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

First off, it seem you have your own definition of "bilk."  Yes, one might say Trump took advantage of the situation.  Remember, it is the duty of the SS to protect the president no matter where he is or what he is doing.  It was Trump's prerogative to play gold where he chose.  About where the SS bunks, I have no idea who makes the rules.

As far as Kennedy's anti-vaccine and anti-fluoride stance goes, I agree with you.  I believe that both vaccines and fluoride work.  There is overwhelming evidence that they do.

I recall my mother having our dentist apply an awful tasting fluoride coating on our teeth.  That was around 1956 or so. 

It is interesting to note that it is Tulsi Gabbard's father, Mike, who is co-sponsoring an anti-fluoride bill in the Hawaii legislature. He claims that is what his constituent favor.  I think it has more to do with his beliefs in Guru Chris Butler's Church of Scientology. Right now only military facilities on Oahu have fluoride added to their drinking water.

 

$240 million income to his properties is a hell of a lot of advantage. If you disagree with the term bilk, perhaps it's because you have your own set of blinders on.

 

I read somewhere dentists in Hawaii can immediately tell if a patient is from the military base, when they are in civilian clothes, due to the much lower level of fillings/cavities.

 

 

[GypsyT]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I read somewhere dentists in Hawaii can immediately tell if a patient is from the military base, when they are in civilian clothes, due to the much lower level of fillings/cavities.

 

How to tell if somebody is from the South?

 

No dental records....

[thailand49]

Here we go again!

[gamb00ler]

8 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Also please elaborate how Trump has  bilked taxpayers.

I recommend you ask professional journalists about that.  They have the time and resources to find and verify with multiple sources this type of information.  Don't listen to the right wing claims that journalists are the enemy of the people.

[theblether]

On 12/7/2024 at 12:36 PM, candide said:

It's not the Dems spreading terror rumors, it 's the DODGE nutters.

 

Musk announced he will cut federal expenses by $2 trillion, that's 30% of the federal budget. It's huge!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdj38mekdkgo

 

How will they achieve it without cutting into welfare budgets? How would GOP beneficiaries be unaffected by it? 

 

He didn't say per year, so now you are caught in a lie again. 

 

$500 billion per year over four years of the Presidency is doable, 

 

Once again I say, there is no lie that Democrats are not prepared to spread. 

 

You are easily the most gullible brigade of clowns I have encountered in my adult life. 

[theblether]

I would like to be polite to Democrats but they make it too difficult to discuss anything in a rational fashion. Let me explain what Musk will do, it's his modus operandi on everything. 

 

He will open source every government contract. 

 

What that means is that every contract will be viewable online and you'll find an army of autists swarming over every single line to see where money is wasted. Medicare is a prime example, not a single end user is happy about the US being ripped off compared to prices in other countries. The savings available to the US government by open sourcing medical contracts will be massive. 

 

Therefore the budget can be slashed without affecting the end user experience. 

 

Apply the same to every single Federal agency and two things will come to pass. The first one is virtually dream territory - to balance the budget. If that is achieved, or near achieved, then the cost of financing the national debt will drop. 

 

On top of that thousands of employees in zombie programs will be laid off - I reckon by the mid terms there will be a reduction of 300,000 Federal employees. 

 

Then we have the Congressional issue. 

[theblether]

The Congressional issue = watch out for political opponents to DOGE saying that Congress has the final say. 

 

Correct. 

 

Here's the problem. Congress has hundreds of agency programs operating with expired authorisation. Literally laws are being enforced by people who don't have the necessary permissions. 

 

So all Trump has to do is sign an executive order banning all these programs from continuing, and force Congress to go back over each and every one and either cancel the program or re-authorise. Sounds easy, right? 

 

The problem is - Congress doesn't have the time to re-authorise every program. But the problem for Trump is - some of the programs will suit his agenda. 

 

The next two years is going to see a Battle Royale in DC, and with people such as Sanders, Fetterman and Khanna lining up behind DOGE we may well witness the American Left saving Trump's MAGA agenda. 

 

This is going to be fun.