Who is "doomed"?

[swissie]

Some posters here are constantly claiming that Russia is "doomed".

- Who is making territorial gains? Who is in the process of winning this war?

The Russian economy is self-sufficient, has an endlees supply of natural/human resources.

 As opposed to the Ukraine, depending to 90% on "foreighn support". Without this foreighn-support, the Ukraine would never have been able to conduct any sort of "effective defensive warfare" against the Russians in the first place.

So, who is "doomed"?

Peace talks next year will show how much territory and state souvereighnity the Ukraine will be able to retain. The price will be high, especially as Donald thinks the price to support a hopeless war is too high already. Far away from his "America First" gospel.

Seems to me, that a number of numb-asses here adhere to the same phlosophy as Adolf, the "red army" merely standing 100 km away from Berlin, still insisting that the "Endsieg" is close at hand.

 

[jvs]

Yes the russians are gaining ground!but are they wining the war?

At what cost?Endless supply of human resources?What is with the North Koreans then?

Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart.

 

For the worlds second best army to run over a much smaller country in 3 days ?

How much have the really gained?

So who is "doomed"?

No one is as blind as he who does not want to see.

 

 

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, jvs said:

Yes the russians are gaining ground!but are they wining the war?

At what cost?Endless supply of human resources?What is with the North Koreans then?

Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart.

 

For the worlds second best army to run over a much smaller country in 3 days ?

How much have the really gained?

So who is "doomed"?

No one is as blind as he who does not want to see.

 

 

Has anyone actually seen any of these North Koreans ?

 

[swissie]

10 minutes ago, jvs said:

Yes the russians are gaining ground!but are they wining the war?

At what cost?Endless supply of human resources?What is with the North Koreans then?

Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart.

 

For the worlds second best army to run over a much smaller country in 3 days ?

How much have the really gained?

So who is "doomed"?

No one is as blind as he who does not want to see.

 

 

Quote: "Gigantic loss of life and material.Economy slowly falling apart".
Proportionally higher in the Ukraine. Russian economy not falling apart.

Quote: "How much have they really gained"? = 1/4 of the Ukrainian territory so far.

 

[Hummin]

Im afraid Ukraine is doomed to lose this war, as I claimed from the very beginning. I hope Im wrong, but so far, all my predictions have become true. We just have to wait and see if Ukraine give up Crimea and a few of the provinces annected to end the war. 

 

As long Zelensky and Putin rules, there will be no peace. 

 

 

[swissie]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Im afraid Ukraine is doomed to lose this war, as I claimed from the very beginning. I hope Im wrong, but so far, all my predictions have become true. We just have to wait and see if Ukraine give up Crimea and a few of the provinces annected to end the war. 

 

As long Zelensky and Putin rules, there will be no peace. 

 

 

If Donald cuts off the "funding", there will be peace. The Ukraine returning home to the Russian Empire, where they have been for centuries before.

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, swissie said:

If Donald cuts off the "funding", there will be peace. The Ukraine returning home to the Russian Empire, where they have been for centuries before.

I hope not

[TedG]

34 minutes ago, swissie said:

If Donald cuts off the "funding", there will be peace. The Ukraine returning home to the Russian Empire, where they have been for centuries before.

The people of Ukraine don’t want to be assiocsated with Russia. 

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

I hope not

Why, what difference will it make to you?

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, TedG said:

The people of Ukraine don’t want to be assiocsated with Russia. 

Those ethnics Russians in the east do

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Why, what difference will it make to you?

Im not a Russian zealot 

[VBer]

1 hour ago, TedG said:

The people of Ukraine don’t want to be assiocsated with Russia

The people of Crimea don’t want to be associated with Ukraine. To what country in your opinion Crimea should belong?

[dinsdale]

It is as I have posted many times a prolonged attritional war. Russia has more bodies and weapons to throw at it. Russia continues to gain ground. This is the reality. Why wasn't this stopped before it started and once it did start why weren't weapons poured into Ukraine? 

[frank83628]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Im not a Russian zealot 

OK, but what difference will it make to your retirement in Thailand?

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, VBer said:

The people of Crimea don’t want to be associated with Ukraine. To what country in your opinion Crimea should belong?

Crimea is gone from Ukraine. Simple as that. Anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong. Russia cannot be pushed back without significant international intervention which is not going to happen and anyone who thinks this will happen is wrong. As it is Russia continues to gain ground and anyone who disputes this is wrong. As far as winning a protracted attritional war, Russia is winning.