Keir Starmer: Friends Say He Desperately Needs a Break

[Rampant Rabbit]

15 hours ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

I recommend both arms and both legs.

neck u fool  ,he can still function with   no arms and legs

[henryford1958]

Stasi Starmer has friends?

[scottiejohn]

49 minutes ago, henryford1958 said:

Stasi Starmer has friends?

In China, Russia etc!

[NoshowJones]

What???? A break from telling lies??

[NoshowJones]

On 12/23/2024 at 9:51 AM, quake said:

 

Yes, if ever there was a time the uk needed another  Maggie Thatcher,  it's right now.

 

 

 

 

 

Maggie Thatcher did some wrong things, but she also got a lot of things right, like scuppering the miners who were responsible for Wilson leading the country into bankruptcy in 1976, and sorting Scargill out.

[Patong2021]

On 12/23/2024 at 2:14 AM, quake said:

 

He should be in jail for the  WMD.

Many people died and many maimed for life. because of that BS.

The fact was that there were biological compounds intended to be used in weapons. The invasion forced the Iraqis to destroy them before the. Coalition forces arrived.

Yellow cake uranium was discovered and documented.

Iraq had a stockpile of chemical weapons and had been used against Iran and the Kurds. Yes, there had been  some destruction of the stockpiles, but Iraq  refused to confirm that it would no longer use them. On the contrary, the Iraqis were given to boasting of their capability to use them.

 

It is easy in hindsight to  condemn the conclusion that there were WMD, but it was a fair conclusion based upon the previous Iraqi use of WMD and ongoing R&D.

[Patong2021]

On 12/23/2024 at 1:29 AM, The Cyclist said:

 

How can there be data to back up

 

 

The data will be in the monthly rising unemployment figures after the start date of April 2025, if not sooner.

 

 

You can google something like ' Wealth creators fleeing the UK " and draw your own conclusions. These people dont normally perform a song and dance and just leave. But here is one that was rather vocal

 

 

https://www.cityam.com/pimlico-plumbers-founder-flushed-out-of-britain-over-fear-of-labours-tax-rules/

Sure, they will be involved in aggressive tax minimisation, which is not really an issue as it is what they have always done.

 

Where it costs the UK economy is by closing businesses, non investment, people losing their jobs, the welfare bill rises, the income tax take drops, the National Insurance take drops. Other taxes have to rise to offset the fall in other taxes.

 

Only a Socialist thinks a high tax model coupled with low wages is a recipe for success.

 

Everyone else understands that to create growth, people need to have money in their pocket to create that growth, taxing to the hilt halts that growth.

 

As Labour are now finding out with 0% growth in Q3 and most likely a negative figure for Q4. Which is quite good going considering that there  was 1.2% growth across Q's 1 & 2.

 

 

 

And for all that you write, you have no data, just specuation. Until the economic results are there, one can not claim a failure  occurred. 

 

In respect to your example from Pimlico Plumbers, the man has been whinging for years. He was so patriotic that he sold his business to US  VC fund KKR sometime ago, didn't he? More recently his firm  lost a  key case where it tried to  keep tradespeople from their  earned vacation wages.

https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/pimlico-plumbers-loses-landmark-uk-holiday-pay-case. Hardly the type of person who can is taking care of his workers is he?

[brewsterbudgen]

Hmm. The Labour government is so unpopular it is leading in the latest polls!

 

Opinium	Con 23% (-2)	Lab 29% (nc)	LD 11% (+1)	Grn 10% (+1)	Ref 22% (+1)	Lab lead 6%	18-20/12 GB
Techne	26% (+1)	27% (nc)	12% (+1)	7% (nc)	21% (-1)	1%	18-19/12 GB

 

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

 

Funny, how we don't hear much about that petition either any more!! 😅

[BangkokReady]

On 12/23/2024 at 3:03 AM, Social Media said:

“He needs a lot of soothing and a lot of buoying up at the moment.”

 

He needs to take some time and think about why everyone suddenly hates him.

[The Cyclist]

7 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

And for all that you write, you have no data, just specuation. Until the economic results are there, one can not claim a failure  occurred. 

 

 

The economic results can be seen on a daily basis, should anyone care to look

 

https://assets.aseannow.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2024_12/IMG_3449.webp.49eed3ea723f34be5d1452ca18140a47.webp

 

 

How much has the £ fell against the Baht since the day Labour won the GE ?
 

How is the FTSE 100 today compared to the day Labour won the GE ?

 

How is GDP growth since the day Labour won the GE.

 

Some people just need to open their eyes, coupled with knowing where to look.

[quake]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

The fact was that there were biological compounds intended to be used in weapons. The invasion forced the Iraqis to destroy them before the. Coalition forces arrived.

Yellow cake uranium was discovered and documented.

Iraq had a stockpile of chemical weapons and had been used against Iran and the Kurds. Yes, there had been  some destruction of the stockpiles, but Iraq  refused to confirm that it would no longer use them. On the contrary, the Iraqis were given to boasting of their capability to use them.

 

It is easy in hindsight to  condemn the conclusion that there were WMD, but it was a fair conclusion based upon the previous Iraqi use of WMD and ongoing R&D.

 

You tell that to the dead servicemen's family's.

Action was taken on one operatives so called knowledge.

That was proved to be a lie. 

 

[Patong2021]

16 hours ago, quake said:

 

You tell that to the dead servicemen's family's.

Action was taken on one operatives so called knowledge.

That was proved to be a lie. 

 

Not on one operative's information, but on a long history of Iraqi use of poison gas, chemical agents, torture and a nuclear R&D infrastructure. What we see now is a campaign of disinformation and misrepresentation driven by a political agenda. You hate Blair, so you come up with an interpretation of  events that supports your bias. Blair was a very thoughtful and morally circumspect man. He was given to over consideration of moral outcomes, and agonized over the decision to support the USA. It was not a decision taken in isolation, and relied heavily upon pressure from Gulf Arabs. Iraq was the nation which had previously invaded Kuwait and ruthlessly looted the nation. It had not reformed.

 

Your concern for dead  service people would be touching if it was not so insincere. All military personnel were volunteers. They all knew that there was the potential to die when they enlisted.  People die in service. That's part of the reality.  Militaries are not NGO's nor conveyances of good tidings.

The reaity is that the removal of  the Baathist tyranny, liberated  the Iraqi people from a regime which tortured, raped, sodomized,  and brutalized it's own people. It singled out ethnic Iraqis such as the Marsh Arabs and Kurds for ethnic genocide. Hundreds of thousands of them died at the hands of the Hussein regime, and one never heard a word of condemnation from the likes of Corbyn, Galloway, Abbott and others. 

[quake]

25 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Not on one operative's information, but on a long history of Iraqi use of poison gas, chemical agents, torture and a nuclear R&D infrastructure. What we see now is a campaign of disinformation and misrepresentation driven by a political agenda. You hate Blair, so you come up with an interpretation of  events that supports your bias. Blair was a very thoughtful and morally circumspect man. He was given to over consideration of moral outcomes, and agonized over the decision to support the USA. It was not a decision taken in isolation, and relied heavily upon pressure from Gulf Arabs. Iraq was the nation which had previously invaded Kuwait and ruthlessly looted the nation. It had not reformed.

 

Your concern for dead  service people would be touching if it was not so insincere. All military personnel were volunteers. They all knew that there was the potential to die when they enlisted.  People die in service. That's part of the reality.  Militaries are not NGO's nor conveyances of good tidings.

The reaity is that the removal of  the Baathist tyranny, liberated  the Iraqi people from a regime which tortured, raped, sodomized,  and brutalized it's own people. It singled out ethnic Iraqis such as the Marsh Arabs and Kurds for ethnic genocide. Hundreds of thousands of them died at the hands of the Hussein regime, and one never heard a word of condemnation from the likes of Corbyn, Galloway, Abbott and others. 

 

Ok, so you loved Blair. good for you.

He was the one who opened the doors to mass  immigration.

The uk is in the state it is now days because of him,  and the rest of the idiots after him on both sides.

 

Saddam.

The proof is in the pudding, 

Sorry mate there was no pudding. No WMD found.

 

Yes , Saddam is gone, is the world better off for that.  I would say so.

But look at the cost. that war inflamed the middle east even more against the west.

great job. and no WMD.

 

As for your remarks about our servicemen and women dying or maimed in combat.

Well that just speaks volumes about you.

 

Good day.

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Not on one operative's information, but on a long history of Iraqi use of poison gas, chemical agents, torture and a nuclear R&D infrastructure. What we see now is a campaign of disinformation and misrepresentation driven by a political agenda. You hate Blair, so you come up with an interpretation of  events that supports your bias. Blair was a very thoughtful and morally circumspect man. He was given to over consideration of moral outcomes, and agonized over the decision to support the USA. It was not a decision taken in isolation, and relied heavily upon pressure from Gulf Arabs. Iraq was the nation which had previously invaded Kuwait and ruthlessly looted the nation. It had not reformed.

 

Your concern for dead  service people would be touching if it was not so insincere. All military personnel were volunteers. They all knew that there was the potential to die when they enlisted.  People die in service. That's part of the reality.  Militaries are not NGO's nor conveyances of good tidings.

The reaity is that the removal of  the Baathist tyranny, liberated  the Iraqi people from a regime which tortured, raped, sodomized,  and brutalized it's own people. It singled out ethnic Iraqis such as the Marsh Arabs and Kurds for ethnic genocide. Hundreds of thousands of them died at the hands of the Hussein regime, and one never heard a word of condemnation from the likes of Corbyn, Galloway, Abbott and others. 

 

Iraq war 20 years on: the British government has never fully learned from Tony Blair’s mistakes

 

https://theconversation.com/iraq-war-20-years-on-the-british-government-has-never-fully-learned-from-tony-blairs-mistakes-201592

 

 

Iraq WMD failures shadow US intelligence 20 years later

 

https://apnews.com/article/iraq-war-wmds-us-intelligence-f9e21ac59d3a0470d9bfcc83544d706e

 

[bkk6060]

Maybe they could hire Elon Musk.

[Patong2021]

8 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Ok, so you loved Blair. good for you.

He was the one who opened the doors to mass  immigration.

The uk is in the state it is now days because of him,  and the rest of the idiots after him on both sides.

 

Saddam.

The proof is in the pudding, 

Sorry mate there was no pudding. No WMD found.

 

Yes , Saddam is gone, is the world better off for that.  I would say so.

But look at the cost. that war inflamed the middle east even more against the west.

great job. and no WMD.

 

As for your remarks about our servicemen and women dying or maimed in combat.

Well that just speaks volumes about you.

 

Good day.

 

 

 

Not a question of love, but of being fair, and recognizing that much of what he is blamed for is neither merited nor supported by  the data for that period.

 

No, PM Blair did not open the door to mass migration. On the contrary, it was the gross incompetence, the ineptidute of successive Conservative administrations coupled with crippling court rulings since 2010 that have rendered the UK immigration policy a farce.

 

Chemical weapons ordinance continues to be found up until this time. Some of it is left over from the  first Fulf war, others are from depots that were  previously unidentified.  So yes there is chemical warfare ordinance to be found in Iraq. This is well documented.

Yes, yellow cake Uranium that can be used in dirty bombs was discovered and disposed of by the US government in 2008.

 

The resulting mess is a reflection of the Arabs themselves. When Europe was liberated from the brutal dictatorship first from the Nazis and then from Soviet barbarism it fluorished and did not descend into chaos. When South Korea  and many latin American countries rid themselves off military dictatorships, ofen after civil wars, they evolved into functiong free states.  The Arabs have to take responsibility for their own  hatreds and feuds.  Also, the undeniable fact is that a large part of  Iraq's mess today is because of Iran and its promotion of sectarian strife turning shiite against sunni.

 

Yes, my comment on the risks facing military personnel speaks volumes about me. Don't join the military if you do not expect to face risk and to have the potential to be injured or die. The military is not a holiday camp.This has been impressed upon me by successive generations of family members who volunteered for active service and it was made clear to me at OTC. What do you think the military is? A place to ride around in big  vehicles and to play with things that go boom? Everyone who serves knows the risks and also knows that their life has value and will be valued. That's why safety protocols are repeatedly drilled into personnel.

More people die in vehicle accidents  and from general health related conditions than battle injuries. There were a total of 135 combat mortalities in Iraq since 1984. That's 40 years and multiple actions, some of which predate  and occur after Blair. In any given year there are 60-75 deaths in the UK military. In 2023 there were 73 deaths. The three leading causes of death in 2023 among the UK regular armed forces were cancers (25%), other accidents (22%), and land transport accidents (16%). Even suicide, which is problem with young people today is at a lower rate in the military than it is in the general population.  Do we blame PM Thatcher for the loss of 255 personnel in the liberation of the Falklands? Some do, but I do not. 

 

[ourmanflint]

On 12/23/2024 at 2:29 AM, BarBoy said:

Quit then, Keir.

 

Give the job to someone who can hack it!

 

You are a dreadful PM, btw. The worst in living memory by far and that is saying something!

 

Merry Christmas!

 

Memory of a goldfish! Every single Tory PM going back to Cameron was far worse

[mokwit]

16 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No, PM Blair did not open the door to mass migration. On the contrary, it was the gross incompetence, the ineptidute of successive Conservative administrations coupled with crippling court rulings since 2010 that have rendered the UK immigration policy a farce.

Blair/Barbara Roche opened the door to mass immigration. Granted, the Conservatives might as well have been a continuation of the Blair Government on this, for all their promises to rein it in. It seems that Immigration policy is supra Governmental.

 

 

[BarBoy]

21 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

 

Memory of a goldfish! Every single Tory PM going back to Cameron was far worse

Nope.

 

Keir Starmer sadly is on their level. I had high hopes for two tier Keir initially but he is turning the UK into a socialist police state. Sharia law is right around the corner, can you see it??

 

I hate the tories as much as anyone, but KS has been an abomination thus far..

[Chivas]

On 12/23/2024 at 1:47 AM, mdr224 said:

Must take a toll being so deeply unpopular with the people you are serving

 

Comedy Gold fella......Starmer and the rest of the Labour front bench are having to make incredibly difficult decisions in light of 14 years of the Tories looting the treasury and tripling the national debt

 

If there is something you dont grasp about that statement of fact feel free to respond !

[NanLaew]

Keir Starmer: Neighbours Say He Desperately Needs Friends

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, Chivas said:

 

Comedy Gold fella......Starmer and the rest of the Labour front bench are having to make incredibly difficult decisions in light of 14 years of the Tories looting the treasury and tripling the national debt

 

If there is something you dont grasp about that statement of fact feel free to respond !

 

Aha! The myth of the "black-hole" of Torynomics sucks in another sucker.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Not a question of love, but of being fair, and recognizing that much of what he is blamed for is neither merited nor supported by  the data for that period.

 

No, PM Blair did not open the door to mass migration. On the contrary, it was the gross incompetence, the ineptidute of successive Conservative administrations coupled with crippling court rulings since 2010 that have rendered the UK immigration policy a farce.

 

Chemical weapons ordinance continues to be found up until this time. Some of it is left over from the  first Fulf war, others are from depots that were  previously unidentified.  So yes there is chemical warfare ordinance to be found in Iraq. This is well documented.

Yes, yellow cake Uranium that can be used in dirty bombs was discovered and disposed of by the US government in 2008.

 

The resulting mess is a reflection of the Arabs themselves. When Europe was liberated from the brutal dictatorship first from the Nazis and then from Soviet barbarism it fluorished and did not descend into chaos. When South Korea  and many latin American countries rid themselves off military dictatorships, ofen after civil wars, they evolved into functiong free states.  The Arabs have to take responsibility for their own  hatreds and feuds.  Also, the undeniable fact is that a large part of  Iraq's mess today is because of Iran and its promotion of sectarian strife turning shiite against sunni.

 

Yes, my comment on the risks facing military personnel speaks volumes about me. Don't join the military if you do not expect to face risk and to have the potential to be injured or die. The military is not a holiday camp.This has been impressed upon me by successive generations of family members who volunteered for active service and it was made clear to me at OTC. What do you think the military is? A place to ride around in big  vehicles and to play with things that go boom? Everyone who serves knows the risks and also knows that their life has value and will be valued. That's why safety protocols are repeatedly drilled into personnel.

More people die in vehicle accidents  and from general health related conditions than battle injuries. There were a total of 135 combat mortalities in Iraq since 1984. That's 40 years and multiple actions, some of which predate  and occur after Blair. In any given year there are 60-75 deaths in the UK military. In 2023 there were 73 deaths. The three leading causes of death in 2023 among the UK regular armed forces were cancers (25%), other accidents (22%), and land transport accidents (16%). Even suicide, which is problem with young people today is at a lower rate in the military than it is in the general population.  Do we blame PM Thatcher for the loss of 255 personnel in the liberation of the Falklands? Some do, but I do not. 

 

 

I can see how your application to join the Foreign Office got rejected.

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

 

Aha! The myth of the "black-hole" of Torynomics sucks in another sucker.

The Holeohoax™ Easily plugged by not giving 22bn to Milibrand or 11bn to Africa. As they keep saying, it is priorities and their priorities are climate change over our old people.

 

I saw Cooper was giving out mince pies to people to keep them warm, presumably. She got a right earful.

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Not on one operative's information, but on a long history of Iraqi use of poison gas, chemical agents, torture and a nuclear R&D infrastructure. What we see now is a campaign of disinformation and misrepresentation driven by a political agenda. You hate Blair, so you come up with an interpretation of  events that supports your bias. Blair was a very thoughtful and morally circumspect man. He was given to over consideration of moral outcomes, and agonized over the decision to support the USA. It was not a decision taken in isolation, and relied heavily upon pressure from Gulf Arabs. Iraq was the nation which had previously invaded Kuwait and ruthlessly looted the nation. It had not reformed.

 

Your concern for dead  service people would be touching if it was not so insincere. All military personnel were volunteers. They all knew that there was the potential to die when they enlisted.  People die in service. That's part of the reality.  Militaries are not NGO's nor conveyances of good tidings.

The reaity is that the removal of  the Baathist tyranny, liberated  the Iraqi people from a regime which tortured, raped, sodomized,  and brutalized it's own people. It singled out ethnic Iraqis such as the Marsh Arabs and Kurds for ethnic genocide. Hundreds of thousands of them died at the hands of the Hussein regime, and one never heard a word of condemnation from the likes of Corbyn, Galloway, Abbott and others. 

 

Cameron's decision to sit on his hands when Assad gassed and bombed his own people in Syria was predicated on how horribly wrong Blair was to follow Bush Jr's lies and go all-in on Iraq.

 

When Cameron wilted, Obama had to bail on his 'red line' warnings to Assad and without any western resolve on intervention, the Russians stepped in.

[Patong2021]

20 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

I can see how your application to join the Foreign Office got rejected.

 

I never applied to join the Foreign Office. As I am a white heterosexual male, the chances of me even being considered would have been remote.