Frustrated with Thai Immigration - 90 day online report frustrations

[PJ71]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

And if your IO does not accept agents, what do you do then?

Use an immigration office that does accept agents, very simple. 

[proton]

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[proton]

26 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Your experience does not match the many that have been rejected.

Through away lines such as "know their own date of birth date" etc are just wise cracks.

Online reporting has drop magnifying glass for auto fill.

The only field that may need changing is enter date in the event of overseas travel.

 

Your report was accepted and no immigration office was mentioned along with any travel abroad etc 

 

No travel abroad and mentioned office many times. We only get to hear of the few failures from people who mess up the application in some way, the vast majority have no problem. But if you want to believe it's the fault of the immigration system up to you.

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, proton said:

We only get to hear of the few failures from people who mess up the application in some way, the vast majority have no problem. But if you want to believe it's the fault of the immigration system up to you.

Clearly you have not followed the threads. Sometimes few threads are same time. 

Countless reports of rejection.

My own experience included. 

To think this is down to incorrect filling in of the online application is ludicrous.

As I pointed out there is autofill available using the magnifying 🔍 icon.

Also people can check the information.

The OP, was concerning CW.

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, PJ71 said:

Use an immigration office that does accept agents, very simple. 

Why bother with wasting time and money when its is so much easer to do it myself and combine the trip with a bulk shop?

 

A much simpler method.

[PJ71]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Why bother with wasting time and money when its is so much easer to do it myself and combine the trip with a bulk shop?

 

A much simpler method.

It's actually you that's wasting money tying up the 800K requirement.

 

But jog on....

[DrJack54]

Off topic post removed 

[jimn]

I have been using  the online 90 day reporting for a number of years. My TM30 is also 5 years old. I go to the UK once a year for 4 months and always return to the same address. Every time after my return to Thailand for my first report online it Has been accepted, despite numerous posts saying the first report after leaving Thailand and returning has to be done in person. This time I returned end of November. My first report is due around end of February, let's see what happens. My office is Jomtien (Pattaya). Never had any online reports rejected.

[treetops]

7 hours ago, jimn said:

I have been using  the online 90 day reporting for a number of years. My TM30 is also 5 years old. I go to the UK once a year for 4 months and always return to the same address. Every time after my return to Thailand for my first report online it Has been accepted, despite numerous posts saying the first report after leaving Thailand and returning has to be done in person. This time I returned end of November. My first report is due around end of February, let's see what happens. My office is Jomtien (Pattaya). Never had any online reports rejected.

 

Assuming it was a similar time you travelled to the UK last year then you might just have got in before the rules changed.  I entered last year at the end of September and got 90 day approved online in December, but by a trip in March this year my online application was rejected.  Also Jomtien office.

[jimn]

16 hours ago, treetops said:

 

Assuming it was a similar time you travelled to the UK last year then you might just have got in before the rules changed.  I entered last year at the end of September and got 90 day approved online in December, but by a trip in March this year my online application was rejected.  Also Jomtien office.

Similar time frame for me. See what happens this year at end of February.

[cliveshep]

Update - I made the 3rd application for the 90-day on 27th December, it came back yesterday 2nd January. Remembering it expired on 10th January this one expires on 27th March. So it's a 90-day report that we must apply for between 15 days before expiry to 7 days before, I figure that it ought to say report again before expiry on 10th March but no, it dates from date of application. So if I apply 15 days before expiry on all 4 applications per year that is a total of 60 days I am being deprived of, it becomes a 75 day notice effectively. Glad I don't rent a car or a building from these guys! They are trickier than a Thai Lawyer!

[DrJack54]

22 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

So if I apply 15 days before expiry on all 4 applications per year that is a total of 60 days I am being deprived of, it becomes a 75 day notice effectively.

That has always been case with online reporting.(lose days)

If you do via mail 15 days prior to due date the next due date is current due date + 90.

 

[UWEB]

1 hour ago, cliveshep said:

Update - I made the 3rd application for the 90-day on 27th December, it came back yesterday 2nd January. Remembering it expired on 10th January this one expires on 27th March. So it's a 90-day report that we must apply for between 15 days before expiry to 7 days before, I figure that it ought to say report again before expiry on 10th March but no, it dates from date of application. So if I apply 15 days before expiry on all 4 applications per year that is a total of 60 days I am being deprived of, it becomes a 75 day notice effectively. Glad I don't rent a car or a building from these guys! They are trickier than a Thai Lawyer!

It takes me always two minutes only to do my 90 days online, so if I have to report 5 times a year instead of four times makes no difference to me.

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, UWEB said:

It takes me always two minutes only to do my 90 days online, so if I have to report 5 times a year instead of four times makes no difference to me.

Many have received rejection and asked to report in person.

Especially if having returned from trip out of Thailand. 

[sometimewoodworker]

On 12/25/2024 at 3:13 PM, DrJack54 said:

The online 90 day reporting is a broken system.

It is certainly broken for some, however the report is submitted to you local office. 

As a data of data points I use Udon immigration, I have submitted numerous online reports, some in person, I have never had one rejected apart from 2 where I gave an incomplete passport number (I had just replaced my passport), however the 3rd attempt (they were all within ½ an hour)with the complete number was accepted 

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

As a data of data points I use Udon immigration,.......

From the OP.....

"Last month my online 90 day report was rejected, no reason given, and after wasting much of the day and loads of petrol CW announced that my rejection was because my TM 30 had expired"

 

Thread is CW specific. 

[ronnie50]

On 12/25/2024 at 12:31 PM, Tropicalevo said:

Many folk on this site state that if you live in the same address, you do not need to do a TM 30 when you return from holiday.

Technically, that may be correct but as we always find out, different immigration people interpret the rules differently.

I find life easier and more simple if I always update the TM 30 when I get home.

I've only read part way throught this thread, so sorry if gets addressed in pages beyond. I guess if you are in control of your TM30 (you own a condo) that's easy enough for you to update. But my landlord doesn't want to update my TM30 each time I leave and return. Instead the landlord has included the 'optional' date of check-out (using a date when the lease expires). It only gets updated when the lease is renewed. I've never been asked for a TM30 upon arrival at airport. Should I have it to hand always when returning, and is it a problem that the landlord doesn't update each time I leave and come back?

[ronnie50]

14 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Many have received rejection and asked to report in person.

Especially if having returned from trip out of Thailand. 

When that occurs, and you are asked to report in person, does the IO expect you to also bring a fresh copy of the TM30 indicating your latest arrival date? That would be a real problem for many landlordds (and anyone who travels frequently in and out), or just the TM47?

[DrJack54]

14 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

When that occurs, and you are asked to report in person, does the IO expect you to also bring a fresh copy of the TM30 indicating your latest arrival date?

The last 90 report that I did in person was Nov 5 at CW.

I did not provide a TM30.

However most likely if I try online for next one most likely rejected as my report is not synced with TM30.

I may opt for TM47 via mail (bullet proof) or just skip the whole thing.

Becoming very jaded with Thai IT 

[Upnotover]

23 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

When that occurs, and you are asked to report in person, does the IO expect you to also bring a fresh copy of the TM30 indicating your latest arrival date? That would be a real problem for many landlordds (and anyone who travels frequently in and out), or just the TM47?

Last time I did 90 day report I only needed TM47.  My TM30 had been updated and I guess the IO could see that on her system and didn't ask for a copy (nor did I offer it).

 

35 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

I've never been asked for a TM30 upon arrival at airport.

And let us hope nobody ever is!

[DrJack54]

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[ronnie50]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

The last 90 report that I did in person was Nov 5 at CW.

I did not provide a TM30.

However most likely if I try online for next one most likely rejected as my report is not synced with TM30.

I may opt for TM47 via mail (bullet proof) or just skip the whole thing.

Becoming very jaded with Thai IT 

Right. For those who own their own place, they can easily update the TM30 each time they go out and back (foreign owners of property have TM30s as well, right?). For renters, it's a hassle for the landlords to keep updating the TM30. Seems if you're renting, and your address doesn't change, it shouldn't matter to immigration how many times you come and go - hopefully. Just same TM30.. but I  say that with hesitation.

[ronnie50]

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I may opt for TM47 via mail (bullet proof) or just skip the whole thing.

Becoming very jaded with Thai IT 

If you send via post, do you do the recorded post/tracking? I guess that would be some kind of proof they received it and when..

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

If you send via post, do you do the recorded post/tracking? I guess that would be some kind of proof they received it and when..

The EMS posting is a requirement for report via mail.

 

Has never happen to me however have read a report where the person did not receive the return mail and when eventually did attend immigration in person did a TM47 also showed the tracking and was NOT fined.

 

Personally pretty much over it.

Travel often and more that likely leave it till next annual extension and possible 2k fine. 

 

As for the TM30....I made perhaps 4+ trips abroad in last 12 months..

For extension on Nov 5....I obtained TM30 from apartment office. 

Went to CW they accepted my TM30 for extension.

Next off to 90 report desk. 

Only provided filled in TM47 and pp.

No fines. 

[treetops]

13 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

For renters, it's a hassle for the landlords to keep updating the TM30. Seems if you're renting, and your address doesn't change, it shouldn't matter to immigration how many times you come and go - hopefully. Just same TM30.. but I  say that with hesitation.

 

I rent and after a recent trip overseas my landlord said they would have to start charging me for repeated TM30s.  They weren't aware it could be done online and made a trip to Immigration every time.

At my request they gave me signed copies of the chanote and their passport and I subsequently created an account in their name that I control and can now do my own TM30s with one succesfully done to date.

[ronnie50]

6 minutes ago, treetops said:

 

I rent and after a recent trip overseas my landlord said they would have to start charging me for repeated TM30s.  They weren't aware it could be done online and made a trip to Immigration every time.

At my request they gave me signed copies of the chanote and their passport and I subsequently created an account in their name that I control and can now do my own TM30s with one succesfully done to date.

That's good. Were you travelling a lot at that time and were they updating your TM30 at Immigration each time you went out and back in to Thailand? Or just once a year?

[treetops]

Just now, ronnie50 said:

That's good. Were you travelling a lot at that time and were they updating your TM30 at Immigration each time you went out and back in to Thailand? Or just once a year?

 

Two or three times a year so not excessive and yes, they were updating at immigration on my return.

[ronnie50]

9 minutes ago, treetops said:

 

Two or three times a year so not excessive and yes, they were updating at immigration on my return.

Yes, I think that's what is actually required. But it's such a redundant exercise. I mean if one has a one-year Retirement or marriage extension and a one year lease (or longer) with a Thai landlord, and the dates of both beginning and ending of the lease are indicated on the TM30, it shouldn't matter how many times we aren't home. What if I went to Chiang Mai or Issan for a few nights. Supposedly, since I'm not in the rented accommodation, that should be documented too.. Weird system. China-like.

[edwardflory]

Navigate the TM-30 waters the easy way.

 

AS ALWAYS, Depending on LOCAL IO POLICY, YOU can do your own TM-30's as:

House Master - most common,

Possessor,

or tenant.

( Have proof of where you live, rental agreement, deposit receipts, etc. )

 

Ref: Immigration Act, Sections 4 & 38

 

I have done 5 so far this "retirement extension year" due to holiday hotel stays, due to "returning home".

I live 15 minutes from my local office so I do in person.

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, edwardflory said:

I live 15 minutes from my local office so I do in person.

Do not understand how your particular situation is helpful.

For many folk it's a long journey to immigration.

The OP deals with CW. 

So folk travel abroad often and this in person TM47 is a burden and not previously required. 

The whole thing is a mess.