Is it starting?

[Lacessit]

Three Russian ships have sunk while trying to avoid sanctions. They were old vessels.

 

It is generally accepted Russian domestic aircraft will be less safe, because sanctions mean Boeing and Airbus planes are not getting new parts, or software upgrades from those manufacturers.

 

Instead, Russian maintenance engineers are forced to cannibalize existing aircraft. There are reports the Russian fleet of Boeing and Airbus aircraft has shrunk from 700 to 400.

 

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2024/12/26/azerbaijan-airlines-plane-crashes?

 

 

[frank83628]

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Three Russian ships have sunk while trying to avoid sanctions. They were old vessels.

 

It is generally accepted Russian domestic aircraft will be less safe, because sanctions mean Boeing and Airbus planes are not getting new parts, or software upgrades from those manufacturers.

 

Instead, Russian maintenance engineers are forced to cannibalize existing aircraft. There are reports the Russian fleet of Boeing and Airbus aircraft has shrunk from 700 to 400.

 

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2024/12/26/azerbaijan-airlines-plane-crashes?

 

 

Is what starting?

 

Which 3? There is only 1in a quick search. the crew have said there were 3 explosions, the owners have said a terrorist attack.

 

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Is what starting?

 

Which 3? There is only 1in a quick search. the crew have said there were 3 explosions, the owners have said a terrorist attack.

 

I read over 8 reports that say the same thing, terrorist attack of 3 explosions on 1 ship.

[transam]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Is what starting?

 

Which 3? There is only 1in a quick search. the crew have said there were 3 explosions, the owners have said a terrorist attack.

 

What terrorists were they then.............?   🙃

[Phillip9]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

What terrorists were they then.............?   🙃

Seems like almost certainly Ukrainian sabotage.  Ships don't just explode and sink due to lack of maintenance.

[OneMoreFarang]

I am sure soon Trump will make a deal with Putin and everything will be fine.

That's what he promised, or not? 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

Seems like almost certainly Ukrainian sabotage.  Ships don't just explode and sink due to lack of maintenance.

Well that's good then, but they are not terrorists, that term belongs to Putin...

[transam]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am sure soon Trump will make a deal with Putin and everything will be fine.

That's what he promised, or not? 

In 24 hours................

[Phillip9]

Just now, transam said:

Well that's good then, but they are not terrorists, that term belongs to Putin...

 

I agree, good point.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Is what starting?

 

Which 3? There is only 1in a quick search. the crew have said there were 3 explosions, the owners have said a terrorist attack.

 

Search harder, three ships have sunk.

 

With your connections, take a flight from Moscow to Vladivostok. Maybe you will even get there safely.

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

In 24 hours................

Putin promised a week for his "Special Military Operation".

 

Damn politicians, they have no time sense.

[frank83628]

25 minutes ago, transam said:

What terrorists were they then.............?   🙃

You know how to use Google or is it beyond your capabilities ?

[scottiejohn]

16 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

Seems like almost certainly Ukrainian sabotage.  Ships don't just explode and sink due to lack of maintenance.

They most certainly can in some circumstances!

[Phillip9]

Just now, scottiejohn said:

They most certainly can in some circumstances!

Any previous example you can site?  I've never heard of such a thing.  

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Some speculation that the Azerbaijan Airlines crash was due to a Russian missile/drone.

[frank83628]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Search harder, three ships have sunk.

 

With your connections, take a flight from Moscow to Vladivostok. Maybe you will even get there safely.

Only read of 1 unless you are including previous reports.

 

But still the question remains.... what is starting?

 

[frank83628]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

Some speculation that the Azerbaijan Airlines crash was due to a Russian missile/drone.

It was heading to Russia with Russians on board, that would be as unlikely as Putin taking out NORD stream

[brewsterbudgen]

4 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

It was heading to Russia with Russians on board, that would be as unlikely as Putin taking out NORD stream

 

Accidents happen.  Did Putin mean to take out MH17?

[transam]

14 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You know how to use Google or is it beyond your capabilities ?

Strange question, comrade............

[BKKBike09]

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Some speculation that the Azerbaijan Airlines crash was due to a Russian missile/drone.

 

It is beyond doubt that the aircraft suffered critical damage from an anti-aircraft missile. The question is who fired it.

[Lacessit]

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Only read of 1 unless you are including previous reports.

 

But still the question remains.... what is starting?

 

The demise of domestic aircraft services in Russia.

 

Were you behind the door when they taught making inferences from data supplied to you?

[pomchop]

37 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am sure soon Trump will make a deal with Putin and everything will be fine.

That's what he promised, or not? 

maybe he will just buy ukraine and declare peace...it is all so simple that he will fix it in 24 hours.

[Lacessit]

31 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

Any previous example you can site?  I've never heard of such a thing.  

 

Google " Bolivar Maru"

 

Any ship can break in half if it is overloaded and gets hit by a large wave, especially if it is quite old, and poorly maintained.

 

Since welding replaced riveting due to the faster speed of construction, there have been some hull failures due to poor quality control of welds.

 

 

[Phillip9]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Google " Bolivar Maru"

 

Any ship can break in half if it is overloaded and gets hit by a large wave, especially if it is quite old, and poorly maintained.

 

Since welding replaced riveting due to the faster speed of construction, there have been some hull failures due to poor quality control of welds.

 

These ships exploded.......A broken weld doesn't explode.

[Will B Good]

45 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

Any previous example you can site?  I've never heard of such a thing.  

 

 

Didn't the Yanks wipe out a whole section of bridge recently killing some bridge workers and blocking a harbour?

[Hawaiian]

55 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Search harder, three ships have sunk.

 

With your connections, take a flight from Moscow to Vladivostok. Maybe you will even get there safely.

Somehow I think you are confusing sinkings  with crashes and structural failures with explosions.

[G_Money]

I’m surprised I haven’t read “It was Trump’s fault “ yet.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Accidents happen.  Did Putin mean to take out MH17?

Shooting down passenger planes is from the US playbook. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Somehow I think you are confusing sinkings  with crashes and structural failures with explosions.

Not at all, the ships and aircraft are separate issues. The common thread seems to be slipshod maintenance in some, and enemy actions in others.

 

Either way, my point is Russia is not a safe place anymore. Before the Ukraine war, it was.

[Lacessit]

38 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Shooting down passenger planes is from the US playbook. 

The score is Russia 2, USA 1. Try harder, comrade.