MAGA civil war as Elon Musk and Vivek clash with hard right on key immigration issue

[CallumWK]

5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

all illegsl immigrants

 

Is that a third category?

 

Nope, it files under pedant sore lefty loser

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

 

Nope, it files under pedant sore lefty loser

 

Not a US voter, so not really a loser.......not in that respect at least......555

[G_Money]

13 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

I'm not left. I'm not right. I oppose H1bs. If you want to bring in exceptional people, fine. But H1Bs are not exceptional. They're ordinary wage slaves who suppress native wages while increasing the demand on housing prices for American citizens. And I think Trump is going 180 on immigration and China. He doesn't need MAGA anymore. He'll never need any voters support again. Now, he can just cozy up to the Kings of Cash, the Tech Oligarchs.

Where under USCIS does it state H1B’s are exceptional?  It doesn’t.  Those are your words.

 

H1B’s are a needed skill set because the US education system has failed under their predominant liberal leadership.

 

Less emphasis on math and science and more on woke. drag queens in classrooms, gender reassignment and all the other BS.

 

American society plays a large part too.  Sports and pop star culture overrides education.  
 

Have you ever those question and answer sessions asking young Americans basic questions at various venues?  Most are dumb as rocks.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, G_Money said:

 

Have you ever those question and answer sessions asking young Americans basic questions at various venues?  Most are dumb as rocks.

 

 

The one's at the Trump rallies?.....yes....they are shocking.

[G_Money]

26 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Musk?

 

Reports have raised questions about Elon Musk’s U.S. citizenship. An investigation by The Washington Post suggests that Musk  worked in the U.S. without proper authorization. Legal experts indicate that if Musk misrepresented information during his immigration process, he could face denaturalization and potential criminal charges.

 

Oh dear!!

You have nothing with out proof.

 

Do you have his USCIS immigration records?

[G_Money]

55 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Indians are NOT needed in the USA, now.

Too many of them.

Culture is garbage.

I want many more Chinese with PhDs.

Chinese are hard-workers.

Also, much more honest.

Remember that Indian who was guiding the scam and pulling the strings behind Elizabeth, on the blood analysis fiasco of a machine?

 

Better to give visas to Chinese.

 

 

 
More Chinese means more potential spies.

[G_Money]

9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Not a US voter, so not really a loser.......not in that respect at least......555

Not a USC, true.  But still a loser.

[G_Money]

52 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Tetchy......why shouldn't I be interested when the alternative is what Bob said to someone in 7/11

Your most intelligent post so far.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

No problem.  H1B visas and their holders are LEGAL non immigrant visas.

 

It's wild the way some people try to misrepresent things in order to manipulate people.

 

Very few people have any issue with a skilled person coming to their country, getting a good job and living a respectful and law abiding life.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

Who says they are?

 

It appears to be a new tactic of the left to try to drive a wedge between Trump and Musk, by saying that "Musk is the president".  Presumably hoping that Trump will break off any kind of political relationship they have.  I guess that's a glowing endorsement for Musk.  They're scared of him and the success he might bring to America.

 

It's very sad to see, but the left really has an "if we can't have her no one can" attitude when it comes to America.  They want Trump to fail, even if it means bad things for the US, and if they can make that happen, they will.

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Funnily I do understand the difference between legal and illegal.........but what has the DOGE got to do with either in terms of the administration's policy.

“Funnily I do understand the difference between legal and illegal..”

 

That explains the stupidity of your posts.

 

Appears the UK has a education problem too.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

all illegsl immigrants

 

Is that a third category?

 

...and....

 

 

Reports have raised questions about Elon Musk’s U.S. citizenship. An investigation by The Washington Post suggests that Musk  worked in the U.S. without proper authorization. Legal experts indicate that if Musk misrepresented information during his immigration process, he could face denaturalization and potential criminal charges.

 

Sounds like a "birther" conspiracy theory. Were you also concerned about the evidence a certain Hawaiian was actually Kenyan like his brother Malik claimed? 

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

 
More Chinese means more potential spies.

 

This may be true, one must admit.

 

However, with closer attention and better vetting, then this risk can be much minimized.

 

[mokwit]

10 hours ago, G_Money said:

Is this your opinion or proven fact?

 

So USCIS doesn’t vet the applicants for their degrees? 
 

How would you know this?

 

 

As I stated in the post detailing what is purportedly going down:

 

'This is from my X feed. You will have to judge for yourselves as to the credibility/veracity of this description of what may be going down.'

 

This is what you have to make a judgement on:

 

'Okay since the H1B visa and country caps and the tech sector and India an Indians are all a hot topic right now, I would like to address this as someone who has worked behind the scenes in H1B consultancies in the tech sector and explain EXACTLY why I’m against removing country caps,'

 

Is he an industry insider or is he posting dishonestly with a political agenda or is he someone just making it up to stimulate profitable engagement etc?

 

 

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

As I stated in the post detailing what is purportedly going down:

 

'This is from my X feed. You will have to judge for yourselves as to the credibility/veracity of this description of what may be going down.'

 

This is what you have to make a judgement on:

 

'Okay since the H1B visa and country caps and the tech sector and India an Indians are all a hot topic right now, I would like to address this as someone who has worked behind the scenes in H1B consultancies in the tech sector and explain EXACTLY why I’m against removing country caps,'

 

Is he an industry insider or is he posting dishonestly with a political agenda or is he someone just making it up to stimulate profitable engagement etc?

 

 

Exactly what I thought.

 

Opinions and scare mongering without facts.

 

Just another angle for Never Trumpers who are still in mourning.

[G_Money]

11 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Biden did the same thing with his "parole." They're all legal now. 

not legal.  pending.

[Will B Good]

10 hours ago, G_Money said:

“Funnily I do understand the difference between legal and illegal..”

 

That explains the stupidity of your posts.

 

Appears the UK has a education problem too.

 

I really fail to see why you have to be so nasty........I was joking when I asked is it your time of the month?.......but many a true word said in jest.

 

Why does me understanding the difference between legal and illegal explain the "stupidity of my posts?

 

Re: Education....... I have three degrees, taught advanced physics for 25 years to the UK military and retired as a main board director of group of manufacturing companies........puts you sitting in your mum's basement to shame.

[Will B Good]

10 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sounds like a "birther" conspiracy theory. Were you also concerned about the evidence a certain Hawaiian was actually Kenyan like his brother Malik claimed? 

 

Never....as the evidence was there for all to see......Trump childishly kept promulgating the story which made him look even more childlike in the eyes of the World......very sad.

[G_Money]

11 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

I really fail to see why you have to be so nasty........I was joking when I asked is it your time of the month?.......but many a true word said in jest.

 

Why does me understanding the difference between legal and illegal explain the "stupidity of my posts?

 

Re: Education....... I have three degrees, taught advanced physics for 25 years to the UK military and retired as a main board director of group of manufacturing companies........puts you sitting in your mum's basement to shame.

“Re: Education....... I have three degrees, taught advanced physics for 25 years to the UK military and retired as a main board director of group of manufacturing companies........puts you sitting in your mum's basement to shame.“

 

And you still have a problem with legal vs illegal.

 

Mum’s basement?  Try Breakfast Story.  BKK Soi 20.

 

 

[Will B Good]

6 minutes ago, G_Money said:

“Re: Education....... I have three degrees, taught advanced physics for 25 years to the UK military and retired as a main board director of group of manufacturing companies........puts you sitting in your mum's basement to shame.“

 

And you still have a problem with legal vs illegal.

 

Mum’s basement?  Try Breakfast Story.  BKK Soi 20.

 

 

 

That looks grim....we are in the JW Marriott, executive lounge.......getting fed up of the free food and drink now.

[G_Money]

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

That looks grim....we are in the JW Marriott, executive lounge.......getting fed up of the free food and drink now.

Have you eaten there?  Best American breakfast in town.

 

 

[Will B Good]

Just now, G_Money said:

Have you eaten there?  Best American breakfast in town.

 

 

 

Absolutely......we stayed here for a month as the covid lockdowns were being lifted......must have put on a good stone.

 

Free food all day....free drinks from 2pm.

[Yagoda]

Debate over policy is not civil war. Glad to see its out in the open in contrast to the Democrats.

[EveryG]

When Don dies, the party will collapse because it stands for nothing. 

[GypsyT]

Ex colony took over Motherland England.

Now they are taking over US too thanks to Donny boy's new "FREE VISAs for WETBACKS" policy run by Indian and Tesla man.

Am I having a nightmare or what's going on?

 

New MAGA; "More Americans Gone Abroad"

[G_Money]

52 minutes ago, EveryG said:

When Don dies, the party will collapse because it stands for nothing. 

What exactly does the Democratic Party stand for?

 

Other than hand outs to the deadbeats.

[jingjai9]

Why can't the wealthy tech companies invest in US workers with more scholarships, training programs and other support to get US students interested in pursuing a tech career. If the tech industry is allowed to import foreign workers in large numbers, this saves them money which I am sure their lobbyists push hard for.

Why can't there be a compromise - the tech industry can have x number of foreign employees if they invest x amount of dollars in training programs for US citizens.

I used to l live in Microsoft's backyard, Bellevue Washington and I shared an apartment complex with a good number of Microsoft employees. My next door neighbor was an Indian man and from my many conversations with him, it seems that Asian employees are used to long working hours and they are less combative with employers than US citizens.  This makes them easier to manage in many aspects. I work here in Asia and there is more tolerance towards a rigid hierarchy than I ever saw in The States.

 

[stevenl]

26 minutes ago, jingjai9 said:

Why can't the wealthy tech companies invest in US workers with more scholarships, training programs and other support to get US students interested in pursuing a tech career. If the tech industry is allowed to import foreign workers in large numbers, this saves them money which I am sure their lobbyists push hard for.

Why can't there be a compromise - the tech industry can have x number of foreign employees if they invest x amount of dollars in training programs for US citizens.

I used to l live in Microsoft's backyard, Bellevue Washington and I shared an apartment complex with a good number of Microsoft employees. My next door neighbor was an Indian man and from my many conversations with him, it seems that Asian employees are used to long working hours and they are less combative with employers than US citizens.  This makes them easier to manage in many aspects. I work here in Asia and there is more tolerance towards a rigid hierarchy than I ever saw in The States.

 

Agreed.

"Asian employees are used to long working hours and they are less combative with employers than US citizens. This makes them easier to manage in many aspects. I work here in Asia and there is more tolerance towards a rigid hierarchy than I ever saw in The States."

and that makes them even cheaper and more attractive.

[G_Money]

A decent discussion on CNN of all places.  Still, the black anchor woman can’t differentiate between legal and illegal immigration.

 

Very similar to the leftist posters on the forum.

 

The dumbing down of American youth by the predominantly liberal education system is one of the primary reasons for the need for skilled, educated tech workers.

 

 

 

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, jingjai9 said:

Why can't the wealthy tech companies invest in US workers with more scholarships, training programs and other support to get US students interested in pursuing a tech career. If the tech industry is allowed to import foreign workers in large numbers, this saves them money which I am sure their lobbyists push hard for.

Why can't there be a compromise - the tech industry can have x number of foreign employees if they invest x amount of dollars in training programs for US citizens.

I used to l live in Microsoft's backyard, Bellevue Washington and I shared an apartment complex with a good number of Microsoft employees. My next door neighbor was an Indian man and from my many conversations with him, it seems that Asian employees are used to long working hours and they are less combative with employers than US citizens.  This makes them easier to manage in many aspects. I work here in Asia and there is more tolerance towards a rigid hierarchy than I ever saw in The States.

 

 

H1Bs are cheap labor visas that indeed do tie their employees to their employer. They can't quit or they'll be sent back home. So they don't complain about the 80 hour work weeks and sub par pay. Musk is outright lying when he says he needs H1Bs for exceptional workers. He's now saying he wants the top 0.01 percent. Well, guess what! There is already a visa for exceptional talent. It's called the O1 visa. Elon, Vivek, and all the other Tech Lords are simply lying about the H1Bs (One of Musk's own H1B ads was reposted on X and it was an entry level accounting job for 145K per year. Can't get Americans to do that???? And, btw, the actual H1B recipient does not get that salary; it's marked down after the H1B agency gets the recipient hired.)  If all Elon and Vivek want is a pathway for exceptional people, here it is:

 

Quote

The O-1 nonimmigrant visa is for the individual who possesses extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics, or who has a demonstrated record of extraordinary achievement in the motion picture or television industry and has been recognized nationally or internationally for those achievements.  https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/o-1-visa-individuals-with-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement

 

Correction: here is the percentage of "engineering talent" Musk wants to bring into the US.