Jeju Air Flight from Bangkok Skids Off Runway at Muan Airport, 28 Dead

[ThaiGenius]

RIP

[Georgealbert]

Two Thai Victims of Korean Air Crash Identified & Mourned

 

 

 

[Elkski]

I watch Denny  daily, he is the ex Ukraine cap of a 737-800 like this plane.  He reports on the Ukraine war on YouTube but more details on telegram.   Juan blancorio on YouTube is another great pilot source who reports on all crashes .  It does look like a bird strike on final for runway,01.  But as Denny showed in the video using the control tower the landing occurred on rway190er.   Looks like no flaps or spoiler to me. Denny says it looked like reverser on starboard engine.  

So now 2 recent reasons I will not be jealous of first or business class

[Phillip9]

23 minutes ago, Elkski said:

So now 2 recent reasons I will not be jealous of first or business class

I'll still be up there in business class for long flights.  All passengers in economy on the Jeju flight died anyway. 

[Georgealbert]

This Korean News analysis show a longer video of the approach and landing on runway 19 at starting 1:20 into the video.

 

 

[sqwakvfr]

I think Juan did a great job iin explaining the systems on the B737-800 and the design and placement of the localizer antenna array:

 

 

[Georgealbert]

UPDATE
U.S. to Assist South Korea in Probe of Deadly Jeju Air Crash

 

 

U.S. transportation safety authorities will assist South Korea in investigating the cause of a devastating Jeju Air crash that claimed the lives of 179 people, a U.S. official confirmed on December 30.

 

The tragedy occurred when Jeju Air flight 7C2216, a Boeing 737-800, veered off the runway while attempting a belly landing at Muan International Airport in Muan County, approximately 290 kilometres southwest of Seoul. The plane collided with a fence, resulting in 179 fatalities, with only two survivors rescued.

 

In an email to Yonhap News Agency, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced the formation of a team, led by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), to assist South Korea’s Aviation and Railway Accident Investigation Board (ARAIB).

 

“The NTSB is leading a team of U.S. investigators, including the FAA and Boeing, to support the Republic of Korea’s ARAIB in their investigation into the Dec. 29 Jeju Air crash,” said Donnell Evans, an FAA communications official.

 

An official from South Korea’s ARAIB, which operates under the transport ministry, revealed that the flight data recorder recovered from the wreckage had sustained damage.

 

“If we encounter difficulties decoding it here, we may need to send it to the NTSB,” the official explained. “Given their global workload, it could take considerable time to analyze the data.”

 

The crash is the deadliest aviation disaster in South Korea since 1997, when a Korean Air plane crashed in Guam, killing 225 people.

 

Investigators from both nations are expected to work closely to determine the cause of the crash, with findings anticipated to shed light on one of South Korea’s most tragic aviation incidents in recent history.

 

-- 2024-12-30

 

[Cryingdick]

I hate to speculate but in my professional opinion as a AN resident expert on all matters in general and aviation specifically, I would wager to say this is a bad accident. Some of the posts are pretty pathetic. 

[Phillip9]

1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

This Korean News analysis show a longer video of the approach and landing on runway 19 at starting 1:20 i

Strange.   Appears only the right engine is running.  Looks like they tried to do a go around at the last second and didn't have the power for it with only one engine.  

 

Could they have forgotten both gear and flaps due to the emergency and realized it at the last second? 

[JoePai]

16 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Apart from making the runway even more treacherous, what good would foam on the runway be before the plane had come to a halt, destroyed itself and burst into flames?    You think that it would have prevented the fuel tanks exploding?

The idea of foam is to help surpress any fire

[iaminwa]

Not a good year in aviation.

 

Singapore Airlines majot turbulence incident - it has been shown they flew straight through a red storm cell.

 

Azerbaijan crash - shot down by Russia. (Russia leads the shootdown score (2), USA shootdown (1).

 

Jeju Air - cause still being investigted, but does look like some pilot errors here in handling the birdstrike/engine shutdown.

 

 

 

[newbee2022]

22 hours ago, JoePai said:

Ok so the question must be - why did the pilot not divert to a different airport with a longer runway/run off area + ask for foam to be laid ?

Good question. Unfortunately you can't ask him anymore 

[CANSIAM]

Perhaps the solid perimeter wall will be replaced with wire fencing.............

[LennyW]

4 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Perhaps the solid perimeter wall will be replaced with wire fencing.............

The perimeter block wall was not the problem, it would easily have disintegrated if struck by a plane.

The problem was with the Localizer antenna stand, it was made out of a solid concrete structure, normally these are on lightweight frames. The pilot who posted the very informative video earlier speculated that it may have been constructed this way for military reasons.

But whatever the reason for using concrete for this structure, it sure is a massive contributing factor for the high death toll.

[Georgealbert]

UPDATE
Seoul to Inspect All Boeing 737-800 Aircraft After Fatal Jeju Air Crash

 

 

The South Korean government has announced a comprehensive safety inspection of all Boeing 737-800 aircraft operated by domestic airlines following a devastating crash involving a Jeju Air flight that claimed 179 lives.

 

The crash, which occurred at Muan International Airport in Muan County, 290 kilometres southwest of Seoul, involved flight 7C2216. The aircraft belly-landed after its landing gear failed to deploy, veering off the runway and colliding with a fence.

 

Joo Jong-wan, aviation policy chief at the Ministry of Transport, stated in a briefing at the Sejong government complex that rigorous inspections of Jeju Air’s fleet and operational practices are now underway. Jeju Air, which operates 39 Boeing 737-800 aircraft, the largest number among South Korea’s low-cost carriers, has been under scrutiny due to repeated landing gear malfunctions.

 

The ministry is set to examine compliance with regulations, maintenance records, and aircraft utilisation rates across all airlines operating the Boeing model. Other low-cost carriers, including T’way Air, Jin Air, and Eastar Jet, collectively operate an additional 56 Boeing 737-800 planes.

 

“We plan to implement rigorous aviation safety inspections in response to these incidents,” Joo said, highlighting that Jeju Air’s high aircraft utilization rates may have contributed to the crash.

 

On December 30, another Jeju Air flight using the same Boeing model was forced to return to Gimpo International Airport mid-flight due to a similar landing gear issue. The transport ministry promptly dispatched safety inspectors to Jeju Air to investigate.

 

Meanwhile, one of the two flight data recorders from the crash site was found with external damage and has been sent to Gimpo International Airport for analysis. The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, along with Boeing and engine manufacturer CFM International, will assist in the investigation.

 

Jeju Air, South Korea’s largest low-cost carrier, has faced criticism over its maintenance practices following the crash. The airline is known for its high aircraft utilisation rates, which some experts believe could strain maintenance schedules.

 

The tragedy has raised questions about the safety of low-cost carriers, with calls for stricter regulatory oversight and improved maintenance protocols to prevent future disasters.

 

This fatal accident has shocked the nation, especially as it comes during the busy holiday travel season. The government has pledged to ensure aviation safety to restore public confidence and prevent similar incidents in the future.

 

-- 2024-12-30

 

 

[ronnie50]

19 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Perhaps the solid perimeter wall will be replaced with wire fencing.............

The perimiter wall is just built from breezeblocks - not solid. The plane hit a solid concrete wall between the end of the runway and the (relatevely) flimsy perimeter wall. If it hit only the latter, the plane would gone right through it.

[ronnie50]

11 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

The crash, which occurred at Muan International Airport in Muan County, 290 kilometres southwest of Seoul, involved flight 7C2216. The aircraft belly-landed after its landing gear failed to deploy, veering off the runway and colliding with a fence.

Why are they still saying it 'veered' off the runway? It didn't veer in any direction. It ran out of runway, continued straight (at speed) across the grass for another 200 metres before colliding with a solid concrete structure in front of the airport's locator transmission assembly. Not a fence.

 

Are these just poor translations from Korean reports, or deliberate misinformation?

[Georgealbert]

25 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Why are they still saying it 'veered' off the runway? It didn't veer in any direction. It ran out of runway, continued straight (at speed) across the grass for another 200 metres before colliding with a solid concrete structure in front of the airport's locator transmission assembly. Not a fence.

 

Are these just poor translations from Korean reports, or deliberate misinformation?

The statement was made by Joo Jong-wan, aviation policy chief at the Ministry of Transport, at a press briefing this morning. 
 

I would suggest he has a better information and data, than basing an assumption on a few Youtube videos!

[Captain Flack]

A troll post has been removed. The initial OP saying 28 dead, was made on the information available at the time it was posted. Updates to the developing story were posted as more information became available.

 

The OP was correct at the time it was posted, as it was not known then that 179 were dead. That official confirmation was made approximately 10 hours after this topic was started.

 

 

[Moonlover]

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

On 12/29/2024 at 10:10 AM, JoePai said:

Ok so the question must be - why did the pilot not divert to a different airport with a longer runway/run off area + ask for foam to be laid ?

 

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Good question. Unfortunately you can't ask him anymore 

2 minutes after being told to abort his landing due to birds, the captain declared a 'Mayday'. Mayday doesn't mean 'I want to go to bathroom', it means' I need to get this aircraft on the ground NOW!'

 

No diversions, no foam, (they don't do that now anyway) 'on the ground now'.

 

I've just watched the Korean News video releases. The sickening aspect of this incident is that the pilot made a very good job of getting that aircraft down in what were, obviously very harrowing circumstances. And if it wasn't for that concrete wall they probably have all survived. Very, very sad indeed.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

3 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Are these just poor translations from Korean reports, or deliberate misinformation?

The statement was made by 

Joo Jong-wan, aviation policy chief at the Ministry of Transport, at a press briefing this morning. 
 

I would suggest he has a better information and data, than basing an assumption on a few Youtube videos!

 

I would suggest ronnie50 is correct and the term 'veered off' is a poor translation... 

 

There is no 'assumption' to be made based on a few Youtube videos, there is clear observation. 

 

The aircraft hit the 'localiser concrete base' which is in line with the runway.

 

IF the air-craft have 'veered off' the runway, it would have missed the 'concrete base' potentially rendering the crash far less devastating. 

 

 

[Enoon]

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I would suggest ronnie50 is correct and the term 'veered off' is a poor translation... 

 

There is no 'assumption' to be made based on a few Youtube videos, there is clear observation. 

 

The aircraft hit the 'localiser concrete base' which is in line with the runway.

 

IF the air-craft have 'veered off' the runway, it would have missed the 'concrete base' potentially rendering the crash far less devastating. 

 

 

 

This is a localiser on a concrete base:

 

 

Had it hit anything like that it would have kept going.

 

 

This is what it hit. 

 

 

Judging by this, and the great amounts amounts of earth shown being thrown up in uncensored videos, most of it was an earthen berm.

 

 

 

[Georgealbert]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I would suggest ronnie50 is correct and the term 'veered off' is a poor translation... 

 

There is no 'assumption' to be made based on a few Youtube videos, there is clear observation. 

 

The aircraft hit the 'localiser concrete base' which is in line with the runway.

 

IF the air-craft have 'veered off' the runway, it would have missed the 'concrete base' potentially rendering the crash far less devastating. 

 

 

It was the term reported used by the minister and reported in the Korean English language media. 
 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Why are they still saying it 'veered' off the runway? It didn't veer in any direction. It ran out of runway, continued straight (at speed) across the grass for another 200 metres before colliding with a solid concrete structure in front of the airport's locator transmission assembly. Not a fence.

 

Are these just poor translations from Korean reports, or deliberate misinformation?

 

   Veered off the end of the runway ?

[Enoon]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Veered off the end of the runway ?

 

It ran off/overshot the end of the runway and they don't want to talk about the massive lump that they stuck on the end of the runway that would destroy anything that, for whatever reason, ran off/overshot.

 

[Isaan sailor]

If they experienced a total loss of power from a bird strike, why wouldn’t they attempt a water landing close to shore?

[Gobbler]

On 12/29/2024 at 11:44 AM, Patong2021 said:

 

Why? Boeing sources the. landing gear from a supplier who also supplies other aircraft manufacturers. 

Why would Boeing be responsible for  what most likely is going to be pilot error?

 

It's partly a pilot error.  I watched the landing and he came in hot.  They should have diverted to an airport with a longer runway. 

 

 

[LennyW]

20 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

This is a localiser on a concrete base:

 

 

Had it anything like that it would have kept going.

 

 

This is what it hit. 

 

 

Judging by this, and the great amounts amounts of earth shown being thrown up in uncensored videos, most of it was an earthen berm.

 

 

 

That earth was just a very small amount covering a very high solid concrete base, most unusual design.

Good info in this video. 

 

[Isaan sailor]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

 

2 minutes after being told to abort his landing due to birds, the captain declared a 'Mayday'. Mayday doesn't mean 'I want to go to bathroom', it means' I need to get this aircraft on the ground NOW!'

 

An airport landing without landing gear or flaps is a dicey proposition.  Better to ditch in the water adjacent to the runway.  It worked for USAir Miracle on the Hudson.

[Enoon]

11 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

 

It's partly a pilot error.  I watched the landing and he came in hot.  They should have diverted to an airport with a longer runway. 

 

 

 

Not much mention made, but I think you'll find that he came in downwind.