Idiotic Room Rate Calculation Pattaya 2024 Style

[jaizan]

I've stayed in the same place for years.  

 

If I stay for 1.2 months, for example, they always pro-rata'd the rent, so I paid 1.2x the montly rate. 

 

This time, there's a new guy in charge.   I showed up and they insisted I paid the monthly rate for the full month and the higher daily rate for the remainder.  I protested.  I considered going elsewhere for the last few days, but decided it's a bad time of year for that.

 

I come back to Pattaya soon, for 1.5 months.  

I decided to look for alternative accommodation, for obvious reasons.

Two of the alternative places I spoke to applied the same irrational rent calculation.  It seems their pricing favours longer lets, but only in units of precisely one month duration

 

I was all set to book another place for 1.5 months, but due to their inability to be sensible with room rate calculations, I have booked for a month.  I'll just have to move to somewhere with a sensible daily or weekly rate after that.  

 

If every customer does this, eventually they might see sense.

 

 

[Upnotover]

How much extra for the daily v monthly rate?  btw, seems like a normal policy, at least in my experience, perhaps you were just lucky before.

[Sandboxer]

18 minutes ago, jaizan said:

If every customer does this, eventually they might see sense.

 

If every tourist stopped using jet skis, there'd be no scams.

 

If every tourist stopped paying 100 baht for 40 bt motorbike taxi rides, there wouldn't be any overcharging.

 

If every tourist stopped paying 2000-5000+ for kitty, it would cost 500-800 like it does Thai men.

 

See where I'm going with this?

[jaizan]

33 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

How much extra for the daily v monthly rate?  btw, seems like a normal policy, at least in my experience, perhaps you were just lucky before.

The daily rate is 43% higher.

 

Continuous occupancy means there are fewer voids and they also clean the rooms less frequently. So they offer a lower monthly rate. These principles are the same if they apply for one month or 1.5 months.

 

From my perspective, the place is competitive if I stay for exactly 1 month, or 2 months.   However, if I'm staying for 1.5 months, it now makes sense to move to somewhere with a sensible daily or weekly rate after a month.

[nahkit]

Does the time of year have anything to do with how they calculate their rates? Maybe during high season they think they can fill the place using day rates and in low season they are more inclined to strike a bargain? I'm just thinking out loud, I've never done a long term hotel rental.

[OneMoreFarang]

48 minutes ago, jaizan said:

the same irrational rent calculation

It's obviously your fault.

For how long to you visit Thailand already? Why do you still expect rational calculations?

[jaizan]

19 minutes ago, nahkit said:

Does the time of year have anything to do with how they calculate their rates?

I've always been here at roughly the same time of year, so I don't think so.

 

The main change is the person in charge.

 

 

[bkk6060]

Why not use air bnb hotels now are kind of stupid and overpriced.  Abnb has daily or monthly options. 

[Celsius]

It's economy based on capitalism. Whatever the price in Thailand, someone seems willing to pay for it especially during high season.

 

If you can't win, join them. Buy a condo.

[jaizan]

35 minutes ago, Celsius said:

It's economy based on capitalism. Whatever the price in Thailand, someone seems willing to pay for it especially during high season.

I'd have nothing to say if they simply increased prices.  

If the market is strong enough, that makes sense.

[Pattaya57]

What OP describes is the way it works all over the world. Monthly rate cheaper than weekly rate which is cheaper than daily rate. To expect them to just halve the monthly rate for 2 weeks extra is ridiculous

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, jaizan said:

 

If I stay for 1.2 months, for example, they always pro-rata'd the rent, so I paid 1.2x the montly rate.

 

   You were lucky to be getting that rate .

You were getting the discount monthly rate whilst staying weekly .

The cheaper monthly rate is when you stay for a whole month .

Its a bit cheeky expecting the cheap monthly rate when you aren't staying the full month .

   Many places require you to stay for 1 year minimum 

[jas007]

3 hours ago, Celsius said:

It's economy based on capitalism. Whatever the price in Thailand, someone seems willing to pay for it especially during high season.

 

If you can't win, join them. Buy a condo.

Yesterday, for kicks, I decided to check hotels.com to see what kind of rates they were asking for hotels in Central Pattaya.  Mostly, they were all fully booked on that website, but one hotel near walking street supposedly had one room left for two nights.  The charge was something like $14,000 USD per night. 

 

Maybe someone would pay that? 

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Yesterday, for kicks, I decided to check hotels.com to see what kind of rates they were asking for hotels in Central Pattaya.  Mostly, they were all fully booked on that website, but one hotel near walking street supposedly had one room left for two nights.  The charge was something like $14,000 USD per night. 

 

Maybe someone would pay that? 

 

   The most expensive accommodation on hotel.com is 177 000 Baht and that can accommodate 21 people , 21 people can stay there 

 

https://th.hotels.com/en/ho1767127168/the-gems-mining-pool-villas-pattaya-pattaya-and-vicinity-thailand/?chkin=2024-12-30&chkout=2025-01-01&x_pwa=1&rfrr=HSR&pwa_ts=1735462468616&referrerUrl=aHR0cHM6Ly90aC5ob3RlbHMuY29tL0hvdGVsLVNlYXJjaA%3D%3D&useRewards=false&rm1=a2&regionId=6214509&destination=Central+Pattaya%2C+Pattaya%2C+Chonburi+Province%2C+Thailand&destType=MARKET&latLong=12.935366%2C100.894127&sort=PRICE_HIGH_TO_LOW&top_dp=177656&top_cur=THB&userIntent=&selectedRoomType=325083043&selectedRatePlan=396602626&expediaPropertyId=55191474&searchId=ae073e8b-5755-4edd-bed3-acae93eb6d91&pdpImageUrls=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F56000000%2F55200000%2F55191500%2F55191474%2Fa0045895.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D598%26ra%3Dfit%2Chttps%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F56000000%2F55200000%2F55191500%2F55191474%2Fc235e91a.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D297%26ra%3Dfit%2Chttps%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F56000000%2F55200000%2F55191500%2F55191474%2F5ba153eb.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D297%26ra%3Dfit%2Chttps%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F56000000%2F55200000%2F55191500%2F55191474%2F8b7f8141.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D297%26ra%3Dfit&propertyName=The+Gems+Mining+Pool+Villas+Pattaya

 

   Other rooms available for 500 Baht

 

https://th.hotels.com/en/ho632886592/jor-koo-city-hotel-ban-chang-thailand/?chkin=2024-12-30&chkout=2025-01-01&x_pwa=1&rfrr=HSR&pwa_ts=1735462754718&referrerUrl=aHR0cHM6Ly90aC5ob3RlbHMuY29tL0hvdGVsLVNlYXJjaA%3D%3D&useRewards=false&rm1=a2&regionId=6214509&destination=Central+Pattaya%2C+Pattaya%2C+Chonburi+Province%2C+Thailand&destType=MARKET&latLong=12.935366%2C100.894127&sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&top_dp=412&top_cur=THB&userIntent=&selectedRoomType=202161110&selectedRatePlan=211072637&expediaPropertyId=19746456&searchId=0e2c8ce4-ac8a-4113-ae12-15be6ed136fa&pdpImageUrls=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F20000000%2F19750000%2F19746500%2F19746456%2F983cb675.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D598%26ra%3Dfit%2Chttps%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F20000000%2F19750000%2F19746500%2F19746456%2Fddaa9181.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D297%26ra%3Dfit%2Chttps%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F20000000%2F19750000%2F19746500%2F19746456%2Fdbc27cb4.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D297%26ra%3Dfit%2Chttps%3A%2F%2Fimages.trvl-media.com%2Flodging%2F20000000%2F19750000%2F19746500%2F19746456%2F243e4137.jpg%3Fimpolicy%3Dresizecrop%26rw%3D297%26ra%3Dfit&propertyName=Jor+Koo+City+Hotel

 

[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, nahkit said:

Does the time of year have anything to do with how they calculate their rates? Maybe during high season they think they can fill the place using day rates and in low season they are more inclined to strike a bargain? I'm just thinking out loud, I've never done a long term hotel rental.

And you are right. No need to offer a discount rate in high season.

[richard_smith237]

57 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

5 hours ago, jaizan said:

 

If I stay for 1.2 months, for example, they always pro-rata'd the rent, so I paid 1.2x the montly rate.

 

   You were lucky to be getting that rate .

You were getting the discount monthly rate whilst staying weekly .

The cheaper monthly rate is when you stay for a whole month .

Its a bit cheeky expecting the cheap monthly rate when you aren't staying the full month .

   

 

He's met the monthly criteria by already staying one month.

The additional week is not a separate stay - its an extension of staying the month.

 

The ops point is perfectly valid - this policy does not recognise the fact that someone has already stayed a month and highlights inflexibility and valuing an existing customer. 

 

There is no reason at all to charge a daily rate for the time spend 'over the month' other than a human making that decision. 

 

It would be simple enough for the property manager to pro-rata the monthly rate has the Op has already stayed a month, and thus welcome a return customer in future - the Policy of the new property manager is short-sighted. 

 

57 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Many places require you to stay for 1 year minimum 

 

No they don't...   Thats just the long term rental properties - its something different than monthly rentals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Pattaya57 said:

What OP describes is the way it works all over the world. Monthly rate cheaper than weekly rate which is cheaper than daily rate. To expect them to just halve the monthly rate for 2 weeks extra is ridiculous

 

A 45 day stay should have the same or a lower daily rate than a 30 day stay.  If it isn't, that's cheaping out on the software.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

He's met the monthly criteria by already staying one month.

The additional week is not a separate stay - its an extension of staying the month.

 

 

 

   The monthly rate is for the whole month .

You pay for one whole month, or pay for one week or pay for a day .

You usually cannot get monthly rates unless you stay for one whole .

month .

   Staying for 6 weeks would be 

1 x month rate

2x weekly rate 

Although the per month rate would probably be cheaper than the 2 x Weekly rate 

[G_Money]

5 hours ago, Sandboxer said:

 

If every tourist stopped using jet skis, there'd be no scams.

 

If every tourist stopped paying 100 baht for 40 bt motorbike taxi rides, there wouldn't be any overcharging.

 

If every tourist stopped paying 2000-5000+ for kitty, it would cost 500-800 like it does Thai men.

 

See where I'm going with this?

 I see exactly where you’re going.

 

You are about to be coronated as King of the Cheap Charlies.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

   The monthly rate is for the whole month .

You pay for one whole month, or pay for one week or pay for a day .

You usually cannot get monthly rates unless you stay for one whole .

month .

   Staying for 6 weeks would be 

1 x month rate

2x weekly rate 

Although the per month rate would probably be cheaper than the 2 x Weekly rate 

 

Yup... I see that angle...    But see no reason for them to price the room like this other than stubborn greed.

 

There is no reason not to charge the Op 1.5x Monthly rate, other than greed (IMO of course).

Less than a Week: Daily rate

A week or more: Weekly rate

A month or more: Monthly rate

(Then of course there are long term rates for 6monthly and yearly)

 

If someone were going to stay 7months, and 16 days.. The idea that they are charged as below is rather preposterous.... 

- 6monthly rate for 6 months

- Monthly rate for 1 month

- Weekly rate for 2 weeks

- Daily rate for 2 days

 

When instead they pro-rata at the 6 month rate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jas007]

48 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The most expensive accommodation on hotel.com is 177 000 Baht and that can accommodate 21 people , 21 people can stay there 

 

 

I couldn't click on your link.  Anyway, as of yesterday when I looked, there was a hotel right off Walking Stree tthat wanted something like $17,000 USD per night for two nights.  

[jas007]

57 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The most expensive accommodation on hotel.com is 177 000 Baht and that can accommodate 21 people , 21 people can stay there 

 

 

 

Here you go:

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Here you go:

 

 

 

    Grand hotel Pattaya ?

Rooms are 1600 Baht a night .

C% P the link and put it in the address box 

 

https://www.booking.com/hotel/th/grand-hotel.en-gb.html?aid=356980&label=gog235jc-1FCAso3QFCC2dyYW5kLWhvdGVsSDNYA2jdAYgBAZgBCbgBF8gBDNgBAegBAfgBDIgCAagCA7gC0b7EuwbAAgHSAiRiM2ViOTEyZi1lODdlLTQzZjctYjE5Ni0yOWM4OTZlYjEyZDLYAgbgAgE&sid=62d4237e5901bd3e3a2acf293cda2d78&all_sr_blocks=32581524_245581690_0_0_0&checkin=2025-01-04&checkout=2025-01-05&dest_id=900050893&dest_type=city&dist=0&group_adults=2&group_children=0&hapos=1&highlighted_blocks=32581524_245581690_0_0_0&hpos=1&matching_block_id=32581524_245581690_0_0_0&no_rooms=1&req_adults=2&req_children=0&room1=A%2CA&sb_price_type=total&sr_order=popularity&sr_pri_blocks=32581524_245581690_0_0_0__147200&srepoch=1735466929&srpvid=5396474bcd7b01e0&type=total&ucfs=1&

 

 

Grand Hotel

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Pattaya Walking Street, Pattaya SouthShow on map1.2 km from centreBeach nearby

200 m from beach

Scored 7.5

7.5

Good

428 reviews

Superior Twin Room

• 2 single beds
•  

  Free cancellation

1 night, 2 adults

THB 1,600

THB 1,472

Original price THB 1,600. Current price THB 1,472.

Includes taxes and charges

 

 

[jas007]

I tried the link.  Wrong dates., I looked at two nights beginning December 29.  Anyway, now it says no availability for those nights.

 

[KannikaP]

How would they go on if booked Jan, Feb & March. 31,28 & 31 days

[Nick Carter icp]

20 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I tried the link.  Wrong dates., I looked at two nights beginning December 29.  Anyway, now it says no availability for those nights.

 

 

   All the rooms there are less than $1000 a night on NYE .

The price that you saw must have been a mistake or something , or a high price happens when a person is in the process of booking the room 

 

 

https://www.booking.com/searchresults.en-gb.html?label=gog235jc-1DCAEoggI46AdIM1gDaN0BiAEBmAEJuAEXyAEM2AED6AEBiAIBqAIDuALQysS7BsACAdICJGJiZmRkOGNjLWI4MzktNGQwOC05NGUwLWEwZmQ5ZjdiODA2ZdgCBOACAQ&sid=a19e24b3bc10b3deb2f7cb3d022ccba4&aid=397594&ss=Pattaya%2C+Thailand&efdco=1&lang=en-gb&sb=1&src_elem=sb&dest_id=5757&dest_type=region&ac_position=0&ac_click_type=b&ac_langcode=en&ac_suggestion_list_length=5&search_selected=true&search_pageview_id=0dc74a2cc5a60064&checkin=2024-12-30&checkout=2024-12-31&group_adults=2&no_rooms=1&group_children=0&order=price_from_high_to_low

[scottiejohn]

49 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I couldn't click on your link.  Anyway, as of yesterday when I looked, there was a hotel right off Walking Stree tthat wanted something like $17,000 USD per night for two nights.  

Typo error somewhere!

[jas007]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

Typo error somewhere!

That's what I thought at first, but then I thought that just maybe they would find a person who really really wanted a room off Walking Street for New Year's Eve.  I'm sure there are people around who can spend that much money if they want to. 

[Nick Carter icp]

54 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I couldn't click on your link.  Anyway, as of yesterday when I looked, there was a hotel right off Walking Stree tthat wanted something like $17,000 USD per night for two nights.  

 

   Nice room, I just booked it for NYE .

Last room available as well 

[Peabody]

12 hours ago, Upnotover said:

How much extra for the daily v monthly rate?  btw, seems like a normal policy, at least in my experience, perhaps you were just lucky before.

At LK Residence (the one at the 2nd Rd end of Diana), the monthly is 50% of the daily.

Slightly off-topic: there's a massage shop that I've been going to for probably 15 years, on Soi Excite. They used to be on Buakhao.I almost always get a 1 hour foot massage. Once I had a little time to fill, so I asked for 90 minute. The bish said OK, but pay for 120! WTF?