American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai

[Denim]

The Judge Jeffreys are out in force today.

[Gecko123]

That he was riding in tandem with another bike is significant. He may have been distracted by attempts to communicate with the other driver, and his view of the pedestrian may have been blocked momentarily by the other bike. He may have been an inexperienced driver lulled into a sense of over confidence by a more experienced driver on the other motorcycle. The fact that he dropped to his knees in a distraught wai posture suggests to me that he was not a rank newbie tourist.

[novacova]

2 minutes ago, BarBoy said:

And yet here you are, just last week saying this:

 

"Because here, whether legal or not, vehicles have the right-of-way not pedestrians, if you don’t obey by that “rule” your likelihood to get flattened greatly increases."

 

That reply from you was copied and pasted from my thread that I started after I was nearly knocked down by a Thai motorbike driver who was driving on the sidewalk.......

 

Anything to say??

Yes, it doesn’t mean it’s open season on pedestrians. 
 

 

3 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Police have indicated they will charge him with reckless driving causing death.

…as he should be.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, JoePai said:

Sorry where does it say the rider was "acting an idiot" ?

I'm sure one or a few in the group had video of the incidents, and their riding pattern up to the incidents happened. 

 

To many stupid members jumping emotionally on their keyboards without knownledge or facts. 

 

If he proved driving recklessly, he will pay great for his mistakes. Sad for the family involved, and his life will never be the same again.

[BarBoy]

6 minutes ago, novacova said:

Yes, it doesn’t mean it’s open season on pedestrians. 

On my thread you are claiming that vehicles have right of way on sidewalks, not pedestrians, and on this thread you are claiming that pedestrians have right of way on main roads, not vehicles.....

 

 

is everything OK with you? do you need some help?

Can't you see how ridiculous your contradictions are???

[NorthernRyland]

20 minutes ago, novacova said:

Hey, the women was walking and he was riding a machine. What about that don’t you understand? Apply some wisdom. Pedestrians have the right-of-way where we come from and here as well.

 

She was probably walking along the side of the road as is common rural areas and perhaps turned around too quickly or something and some guy smash in to her because he was going at high speeds on a small narrow road. This could have been an 80 year old women too for all we know and was just not paying attention. Those poor people get terrorized.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

No sorrow from me for Morrow. 

 

Now the guy is distraught, bloody loser, hope he rots in a Thai prison. 

 

 

This without knowing the facts?

 

No wonder they burned witches back in the day, with people like you existed and repopulate greatly 😉

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

No sorrow from me for Morrow. 

 

Now the guy is distraught, bloody loser, hope he rots in a Thai prison. 

 

 

Do you have all the facts of this case, as the information provided so far is quite sparse and uncorroborated.

[KhunLA]

Without a vid to watch, lot of assuming going on.  

 

One strike against the dirt bike guy, as he probably shouldn't have even been on the road.   So the fault is squarely on him, before even considering if the lady put herself in harm's way.

 

One thing for sure, it's going to cost a lot of money to avoid jail time, as it should.

 

At 38, you'd think one would be respectfully of the laws when playing tourist in foreign country.  Why they have laws to begin with.

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

They're quick to decide against foreigners regarding traffic incidents here, which is prejudiced thinking before any evidence is there.

Ha, ha, another Thai basher who been burnt, suck eggs dude 😂

 

The rider is being charged with reckless driving.
 

I've been riding in Thailand for over 20 years, never any prejudice regarding traffic incidents. 

 

Maybe Thailand is not for you, see ya 

[novacova]

2 minutes ago, BarBoy said:

On my thread you are claiming that vehicles have right of way on sidewalks, not pedestrians, and on this thread you are claiming that pedestrians have right of way on main roads.....

 

 

is everything OK with you? do you need some help?

Can't you see how ridiculous your contradictions are???

Idiot drivers believe they have the right of way so you Bob Smith need to walk accordingly otherwise you will get flattened by an idiot such as the subject in the op. You lack any ability to separate the assumption of what drivers believe from the law yet you just want to play a game here. 

[BarBoy]

2 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Ha, ha, another Thai basher who been burnt, suck eggs dude 😂

and you seem to be a farang basher....

 

does that make you better than him?

 

I would say it makes you worse.

[Hummin]

From experience, many groups ride way faster through populated areas than most, but so do many thais, and when accidents happens, It is because of others lack of paying attention, and do as they useslly do, just crossing the street without even looking, but that is no excuse. Me, we as a group knows this, and therefor more careful around villages and other populated areas. 

[BarBoy]

5 minutes ago, novacova said:

Idiot drivers believe they have the right of way so you Bob Smith need to walk accordingly otherwise you will get flattened by an idiot such as the subject in the op. You lack any ability to separate the assumption of what drivers believe from the law yet you just want to play a game here. 

The game is called 'Catching Contradicting Hypocrites Out'

 

And I believe I have won, fair and square...

 

Next!

[NorthernRyland]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Without a vid to watch, lot of assuming going on.  

 

One strike against the dirt bike guy, as he probably shouldn't have even been on the road.   So the fault is squarely on him, before even considering if the lady put herself in harm's way.

 

 

I understand most people here aren't in Chiang Mai and especially not the surrounding the rural areas so you have no context.

 

Why I'm going off is because I am familiar with these areas and I'm telling you there is a distinct culture of motorbike riding which incudes "big bikes", Harleys and dirt bikes and often flying at insane speeds through villages. Both annoying because those bikes are extremely loud and dangerous because narrow roads, dogs, elderly etc...

 

This isn't a Farang problem, they're only a minority, most of them are Thai and they include tourists too from all over Thailand. 

 

Obviously if you do this you eventually kill someone. This is obvious to me so I'm not surprised someone got killed under these circumstances and yes it will happen again.

 

Don't forgot about the useless and lazy Thai police that don't enforce basic road safety and could prevent this from happening some times.

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

I understand most people here aren't in Chiang Mai and especially not the surrounding the rural areas so you have no context.

 

Why I'm going off is because I am familiar with these areas and I'm telling you there is a distinct culture of motorbike riding which incudes "big bikes", Harleys and dirt bikes and often flying at insane speeds through villages. Both annoying because those bikes are extremely loud and dangerous because narrow roads, dogs, elderly etc...

 

This isn't a Farang problem, they're only a minority, most of them are Thai and they include tourists too from all over Thailand. 

 

Obviously if you do this you eventually kill someone. This is obvious to me so I'm not surprised someone got killed under these circumstances and yes it will happen again.

 

Don't forgot about the useless and lazy Thai police that don't enforce basic road safety and could prevent this from happening some times.

You can't blame things on the police for non enforcement.  

 

If people obeyed the laws, you wouldn't even need police.  Not in our world or lifetime.   You'll never fix stupid, and enforcement may or may not help.

 

Take away the scooter deaths here, and driving here is about as safe or dangerous as driving in the USA, and there's plenty of enforcement there.

 

People driving where they shouldn't be, or people not looking before crossing the street, or at a dangerous spot to cross.

 

PoPo can't be everywhere all the time, and if they are, don't seem to make a difference anyway.   

 

He violated the law, he'll pay a price for that.   Don't want to victim blame, but I find it amazing how many people make the news by getting run over here.

 

Having the right of way, doesn't excuse not being cautious when crossing the street.

[0james0]

16 minutes ago, BarBoy said:

The game is called 'Catching Contradicting Hypocrites Out'

 

And I believe I have won, fair and square...

 

Next!

What did you win- did you give yourself a brownie point?

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

I understand most people here aren't in Chiang Mai and especially not the surrounding the rural areas so you have no context.

 

Why I'm going off is because I am familiar with these areas and I'm telling you there is a distinct culture of motorbike riding which incudes "big bikes", Harleys and dirt bikes and often flying at insane speeds through villages. Both annoying because those bikes are extremely loud and dangerous because narrow roads, dogs, elderly etc...

 

This isn't a Farang problem, they're only a minority, most of them are Thai and they include tourists too from all over Thailand. 

 

Obviously if you do this you eventually kill someone. This is obvious to me so I'm not surprised someone got killed under these circumstances and yes it will happen again.

 

Don't forgot about the useless and lazy Thai police that don't enforce basic road safety and could prevent this from happening some times.

Well said, but still, to kill someone, could just be knocking someone down at low speed coming straight out behind a truck or car, and your attention is somewhere else at a car speeding past.

 

Impossible to know and judge based on the OP.

[CLW]

Why do so many people blame the driver for the death of the pedestrian? What's the legal speed limit on that road. 50 km/h ? Just assume he was driving with that speed and the old lady crossed the road without looking for traffic (as many people do here btw), the collision can be fatal as well. So without further evidence from witnesses or camera footage it's easy to blame the driver for no reason....

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

He may have been driving straight, at a normal speed, and the woman could have walked across the road without looking,

Nice bit of victim blaming there Fred.

Best farang apologist comment for the year so far.

[0james0]

6 minutes ago, CLW said:

Why do so many people blame the driver for the death of the pedestrian?

Because it is a heavy piece of metal vs a human body 

[transam]

I see the farangy hang 'em high brigade are out in force today, not even knowing exactly what happened.....

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, PJ71 said:

How'd you know he was acting like an idiot?

You're right....not acting🤢

[ryandb]

Bunch of Judge Judys in here, there's no details stating how he was riding except alongside his friend, we do not know who is at fault.

[XB12X]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

It's a dirt bike, so probably shouldn't even have been on the road.

 

58 is middle aged, I wish 

 

Dirt bike as in trail bike, probably. Perfectly road legal.

[Nemises]

5 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Police have indicated they will charge him with reckless driving causing death.

 

Reckless driving causing death
 

Anyone got a link to what sentences have been handed down previously to foreigners found guilty of this? (Link only required please, not predictions).

[thurian]

3 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Hope he had a  helmet cam I see  some awful behaviour from Thais on the roads

 

so what? in this still mostly rural country - and thinking - the stronger, faster one is mostly responsible

[JNASHDDS]

We don't know the details of this tragic accident and should make no assumptions about what actually happened. She could have blindly walked right in front of his motorbike without looking giving him no chance to evade. Let CCTV tell us what really happened here.

[Blueman1]

3 hours ago, JoePai said:

Sorry where does it say the rider was "acting an idiot" ?

Don't 99% Of them act that way ??

 

[baansgr]

6 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

 

Picture courtesy of Khaosod.

 

An American riding a dirt bike struck and killed a Thai woman crossing the road in Mae On District, Chiang Mai. Tearfully, the tourist knelt to apologise to the victim’s family at the scene.

 

On January 2, officers from the Mae On Police Station received a report of an collision involving a dirt bike and a middle-aged Thai woman. The incident occurred near Ban Sahakorn in Mae On Subdistrict. Emergency responders from Wiang Fa Mae On Rescue Team and medical staff from Mae On Hospital were dispatched to the scene.

 

Upon arrival, officers, including Pol. Col. Chakkarin Adsongpongphana, Chief of Mae On Police Station, and Pol. Col. Damnoen Kanong, Deputy Commander of Chiang Mai Provincial Police, found the victim, later identified as Mrs. Kia Saewang, 58, lying unconscious in the middle of the road. Rescuers attempted CPR and rushed her to Mae On Hospital, but she was pronounced dead shortly after arrival.

 

 

The rider of the dirt bike, identified as Mr. Philip Morrow, 38, from the United States, tearfully knelt and apologised to the victim’s family, visibly distraught over the incident.

 

Preliminary investigations revealed that Mrs. Kia was crossing the road to dine at a restaurant on the opposite side when the dirt bike, traveling from Huay Kaew Subdistrict, collided with her. Mr Morrow was riding his dirt bike alongside his friend, who was on another motorcycle.

 

Police took Mr. Morrow into custody for questioning at the Mae On Police Station. Further legal proceedings are underway to determine the next steps, but Police have indicated they will charge him with reckless driving causing death.

 

-- 2025-01-03

 

 

Is 2 a breast even legal riding? Talking to his mate, not paying attention as supposed to?