30 Did-You-Know Questions for those 'on the fence' about the mRNA jabs

[Lacessit]

39 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

As a amateur academic, o don't wish to "debunk " the statement 

 

But I do wonder what all these covid jabs were about ?

 

Have you been living under a rock? It's about the prevention of serious injury and death from a highly communicable lung infection.

 

I sometimes wish there was a jab that made people smarter. I would happily donate mine to someone much more in need than I am.

[transam]

On 1/3/2025 at 8:26 PM, Airalee said:

Then don’t read it.  There are many different forums that you can read and contribute to.

 

How about gardening?

 

https://aseannow.com/forum/81-plants-pets-vets-in-thailand/

 

Or a foodie forum?

 

https://aseannow.com/forum/82-food-in-thailand/
 

or would this be a more appropriate one?

 

https://aseannow.com/forum/111-im-too-fat-forum/
 

It’s quite telling how you seem to want to silence others who don’t think like you do.  
 

Did you ever tell the poster who would post repetitious cut and paste pro-vaccine posts almost daily in the original Covid forum to stop?

 

That’s what I thought.

 

It’s quite obvious that you’ve been trying to play the “good cop”.  How’s that working out for you?

 

Keep up the good work Red Phoenix!

Good work.............🤣

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Have you been living under a rock? It's about the prevention of serious injury and death from a highly communicable lung infection.

 

I sometimes wish there was a jab that made people smarter. I would happily donate mine to someone much more in need than I am.

 

Its hugely concerning that the human gene pool still consists of such fundamental stupidity.... Darwinism is not nearly as effective as it should be.

 

 

 

 

[georgegeorgia]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Have you been living under a rock? It's about the prevention of serious injury and death from a highly communicable lung infection.

 

I sometimes wish there was a jab that made people smarter. I would happily donate mine to someone much more in need than I am.

"Debunking " your myths 

 

[cdemundo]

56 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

 

 

Maybe you're already dead and just don't know it?

 

 

 

Just curious, is that an attempt at humor?

[Lacessit]

Just now, georgegeorgia said:

"Debunking " your myths 

 

Get back to pushing a mop, you don't have enough brain cells.

[georgegeorgia]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Get back to pushing a mop, you don't have enough brain cells.

Another hurt ,all on your "high horse" because I was "debunking " your submission to the Australian government 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, georgegeorgia said:

Another hurt ,all on your "high horse" because I was "debunking " your submission to the Australian government 

IMO you are confusing me with someone else, quite possible with your mental decline.

 

The last submission to the Australian Government I made was a form opting out of submitting a tax return, 4 years ago.

 

Repetition of phrases is a symptom of dementia, your high horse aphorism fits the bill.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Modern techniques have conclusively proven that polio and smallpox are caused by viruses through: Direct visualisation (electron microscopy), Isolation and cultivation, Genetic and molecular analysis, Vaccine development and immune response studies.

 

These methods not only identified the viral nature but also facilitated the development of vaccines and eradication campaigns for these diseases and include...

 

Isolation of the Viruses

Polio: In the 1900s, scientists succeeded in isolating the poliovirus from patients' spinal cord tissues and demonstrating that it could cause disease in animal models, such as monkeys.

Smallpox: The smallpox virus (variola virus) was isolated from skin lesions and shown to reproduce only in host cells, a key characteristic of viruses.

 

Electron Microscopy

Electron microscopy, introduced in the mid-20th century, provided direct visual evidence of the viruses.

Poliovirus: Appeared as small, spherical particles (approximately 27-30 nanometers).

Smallpox virus: A larger virus with a brick-like structure (about 200-300 nanometers). This imaging confirmed that these pathogens were far smaller than bacteria, fitting the definition of viruses.

 

Koch’s Postulates and Modified Criteria for Viruses

Polio: The virus was isolated, cultured in non-cellular environments (e.g., HeLa cells), and proven to reproduce in these cells, fulfilling criteria similar to Koch’s postulates for causation.

Smallpox: Infection was consistently reproduced in cell culture and suitable animal models, further confirming its viral cause.

 

Nucleic Acid Analysis

Polio: Poliovirus was identified as an RNA virus (a member of the Picornaviridae family) through the discovery of its genetic material and replication mechanisms.

Smallpox: Variola virus was identified as a DNA virus (a member of the Poxviridae family), with genome sequencing in the 1990s revealing its full genetic code.

 

Vaccination and Immune Response

Polio: The development of inactivated (Salk) and live-attenuated (Sabin) vaccines provided indirect evidence of viral causation. These vaccines successfully stimulated immune responses against poliovirus, leading to disease prevention.

Smallpox: The smallpox vaccine, derived from the related cowpox virus, worked because of immune cross-reactivity, confirming the viral origin.

 

Molecular Techniques

Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR): Used to detect viral RNA (polio) and DNA (smallpox) directly from patient samples, even at low levels.

CRISPR and Gene Editing: Modern gene-editing tools have been used to study the exact genes of these viruses responsible for pathogenicity.

 

Historical Epidemiology and Genetic Studies

Smallpox: The eradication of smallpox through vaccination further validated its viral cause, as eliminating the variola virus stopped all cases of the disease.

Polio: Ongoing genetic surveillance of poliovirus during eradication campaigns provides evidence linking the virus to outbreaks.

 

 

The issue I have with all of this discussion is now I am marginally less intelligent for even entertaining a response, let alone actually feeding your silliness.

 

But, I'll still play: 

If you are bitten by a dog - will you get a Rabies vaccination ?

If you cut yourself badly on a rusty nail - will you get a Tetanus vaccination ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great post there Sir.

 

I'll not respond to every point. But just a couple if I may.

 

The polio virus you speak of was never found. A white-coat (can't recall his name) ground up the backbone of a youngster that had allegedly died from a polio-like sickness. This soup was then injected into the brains of a couple of monkeys. One survived; the other didn't. To say this is a scientific study is nonsense. Read the original transcript. The Enders experiments of the 50s set the tone for viological experimentation. No isolation. No control.

 

I m fully aware of how PCR works. It is not a diagnostic tool; and nor are those before or since that proport to show whether a virus is present or not. To find anything, there first has to be something that it can be matched to. It was used to drive the 'pandemic' fear along. A lot of testing = a lot of cases. No testing = no cases.

 

There is not a disease called rabies as far as I'm aware. Not to say dogs (especially) don't get sick. And not to say that you would want stuff breaking through the skin if you do get a bite. A wipe down with alcohol would be fine for me. But if the rip/tear was deep it might need to be stitched. Would do that myself, if I could. I'll not have any unnecessary injections thanks Richard. Or trips to any hospitals for trivial things.

[Stiddle Mump]

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The SARS cov-2  virus is real and documented. To say otherwise is  a lie. It is not an alternative viewpoint, but is a denial of established, demonstrated fact.  The virus  typically results in a severe acute respiratory syndrome, hence the nomenclature of SARS. The virus is not an influenza virus and is not related. It is a coronavirus. Because  corona viruses can also cause colds, ignorant people are confused. These are the same people who suffer a cold and claim they have the flu. Because  early symptoms are similar, they are easily confused. There is no evidence to support the claim that  the SARS virus is a flu virus.

 

The people promoting these claims  are either profoundly mentally ill and/or get their jollies from disseminating false information. If they were held accountable for their claims, they wouldn't dare make them.

There is no such thing as a SARS cov-2 virus. It if simply made up nonsense. There is also not a flu virus. Or a common cold virus. Actually the flu is good to have. The body is getting rid of all the undesirables that have built up, and stored away, for a year.

 

Where are you getting this nonsense from? You prefer to get your info from people that don't agree with me?! That's OK. I can go with that. But if you want thought-provoking posts; keep watching.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is not a disease called rabies as far as I'm aware. Not to say dogs (especially) don't get sick. And not to say that you would want stuff breaking through the skin if you do get a bite. A wipe down with alcohol would be fine for me. But if the rip/tear was deep it might need to be stitched. Would do that myself, if I could. I'll not have any unnecessary injections thanks Richard. Or trips to any hospitals for trivial things.

 

I'll present a three tiered response in separate comments: 

 

Firstly - there most definitely is a disease called rabies....  and it can get transmitted to humans through its saliva, usually via a bite, scratch, or lick on broken skin or mucous membranes (such as the eyes, nose, or mouth).

 

 

Facts: 

Cause: Rabies is caused by a virus from the Rhabdoviridae family, specifically the genus Lyssavirus.

 

Symptoms in Humans:

Early symptoms include fever, headache, and general weakness.

As the disease progresses, symptoms can include anxiety, confusion, agitation, hallucinations, hydrophobia (fear of water), difficulty swallowing, and paralysis.

Once clinical symptoms appear, rabies is almost always fatal.

 

Prevention:

Vaccination: People exposed to potentially rabid animals should receive post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP), which includes a series of rabies vaccine doses and, in some cases, rabies immune globulin.

Transmission: Rabies cannot be transmitted through casual contact like petting a dog or being near it unless saliva comes into contact with broken skin or mucous membranes.

Without prompt treatment, rabies is almost always fatal once symptoms develop.

 

 

In humans, the disease caused by the rabies virus is simply called rabies. When the infection progresses, it is often referred to as human rabies or rabies encephalitis (because it leads to inflammation of the brain).

 

Early treatment after exposure (post-exposure prophylaxis or PEP) is highly effective in preventing the disease from developing.

[richard_smith237]

51 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no such thing as a SARS cov-2 virus.

 

Your argument to refute the existence of viruses such as SARS-Cov-2, Rabies Virus, Polio Virus, variola virus etc... makes any debate impossible... 

 

Not because you are 'winning' but because of the profound ignorance on display.

 

It would be similar to debating with someone about the moon-landings and them arguing that the moon does not exist.

 

Attempting such a discussion on any intelligent basis is impossible.

[farang51]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Firstly - there most definitely is a disease called rabies

I am afraid that you are wasting your time. The profile Stiddle Mump is clearly created only for trolling the forum with anti virus nonsense. I am not sure the person himself believes what he writes - I have a hard time believing anyone can be that stupid - but that is not the point of his posts.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is not a disease called rabies as far as I'm aware. Not to say dogs (especially) don't get sick. And not to say that you would want stuff breaking through the skin if you do get a bite. A wipe down with alcohol would be fine for me. But if the rip/tear was deep it might need to be stitched. Would do that myself, if I could. I'll not have any unnecessary injections thanks Richard. Or trips to any hospitals for trivial things.

 

 

Is that to say, given a choice you would never had had any vaccination (from Birth) ?

Would you also not vaccinate your Childern ? - with vaccines against the following diseases (and the consequence of not having such vaccines)

 

Hepatitis B (HepB) Chronic hepatitis, liver damage, cirrhosis, liver cancer, or death.

 

Rotavirus (RV) Severe diarrhea, dehydration, hospitalisation, and in some cases, death (especially in infants).

 

Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)

Diphtheria: Breathing problems, heart failure, paralysis, or death.

Tetanus: Severe muscle stiffness/spasms, difficulty swallowing, and death.

Pertussis (Whooping Cough): Severe coughing fits, pneumonia, brain damage, or death (especially in infants).

 

Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Meningitis, brain damage, hearing loss, pneumonia, and death.

 

Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine (PCV) Pneumonia, blood infections (sepsis), meningitis, and hearing loss or death.

 

Polio (IPV) Paralysis (permanent), difficulty breathing, and death.

 

Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR)

Measles: Severe respiratory infections, brain swelling, and death.

Mumps: Swollen glands, meningitis, deafness, and infertility in men.

Rubella (German Measles): Birth defects if contracted during pregnancy.

 

Varicella (Chickenpox) Severe rash, pneumonia, brain inflammation, or death.

 

Hepatitis A (HepA) Liver infection, jaundice, severe fatigue, and rarely, liver failure.

 

Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Cervical, throat, anal, and other cancers; genital warts.

 

Meningococcal Vaccines (MenACWY and MenB) Meningitis, blood infections (sepsis), limb loss, brain damage, or death.

 

 

 

Without the above vaccines - life would be a game of chance.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, farang51 said:

I am afraid that you are wasting your time. The profile Stiddle Mump is clearly created only for trolling the forum with anti virus nonsense. I am not sure the person himself believes what he writes - I have a hard time believing anyone can be that stupid - but that is not the point of his posts.

 

True - I'm struggling to comprehend the ignorance.  Meanwhile I'm laughing at myself for getting dragged into this stupidity.

 

I think I'll leave it now....   debating against this level of ignorance is exhausting - I'm waiting for a response along the lines of Viruses do not exist because we do not exist we are a digital construct !!!!... 

 

 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

Is that to say, given a choice you would never had had any vaccination (from Birth) ?

Would you also not vaccinate your Childern ? - with vaccines against the following diseases (and the consequence of not having such vaccines)

 

Hepatitis B (HepB) Chronic hepatitis, liver damage, cirrhosis, liver cancer, or death.

 

Rotavirus (RV) Severe diarrhea, dehydration, hospitalisation, and in some cases, death (especially in infants).

 

Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)

Diphtheria: Breathing problems, heart failure, paralysis, or death.

Tetanus: Severe muscle stiffness/spasms, difficulty swallowing, and death.

Pertussis (Whooping Cough): Severe coughing fits, pneumonia, brain damage, or death (especially in infants).

 

Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Meningitis, brain damage, hearing loss, pneumonia, and death.

 

Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine (PCV) Pneumonia, blood infections (sepsis), meningitis, and hearing loss or death.

 

Polio (IPV) Paralysis (permanent), difficulty breathing, and death.

 

Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR)

Measles: Severe respiratory infections, brain swelling, and death.

Mumps: Swollen glands, meningitis, deafness, and infertility in men.

Rubella (German Measles): Birth defects if contracted during pregnancy.

 

Varicella (Chickenpox) Severe rash, pneumonia, brain inflammation, or death.

 

Hepatitis A (HepA) Liver infection, jaundice, severe fatigue, and rarely, liver failure.

 

Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Cervical, throat, anal, and other cancers; genital warts.

 

Meningococcal Vaccines (MenACWY and MenB) Meningitis, blood infections (sepsis), limb loss, brain damage, or death.

 

 

 

Without the above vaccines - life would be a game of chance.

 

 

Good response Sir. Could I finish the last sentence for you differently?

 

''Without the above vaccines'' - humans would be much healthier.

 

[Stiddle Mump]

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your argument to refute the existence of viruses such as SARS-Cov-2, Rabies Virus, Polio Virus, variola virus etc... makes any debate impossible... 

 

Not because you are 'winning' but because of the profound ignorance on display.

I've looked. The two science groups i belong to have looked. Lots of independents have looked. There are NO papers anywhere that show the isolation of ANY virus

 

The virologists have adopted the Enders approach. And chucked Koch Postulates and science into the dustbin.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good response Sir. Could I finish the last sentence for you differently?

 

''Without the above vaccines'' - humans would be much healthier.

 

 

Wrong...

 

In pre-vaccine eras, average life expectancy ranged from 30 to 50 years, depending on other factors like sanitation, nutrition, and healthcare systems. Vaccines alone have added decades to life expectancy.

 

Impact on Life Expectancy Without Vaccines

Childhood Mortality: Many diseases targeted by vaccines disproportionately affect children. Historically, high childhood mortality due to infectious diseases was a significant drag on average life expectancy.

Epidemics and Pandemics: Diseases like smallpox, measles, and polio caused recurring outbreaks with high death tolls, even among healthy adults.

Lifelong Health Complications: Survivors of diseases like polio or measles often suffered long-term health issues, reducing overall quality and length of life.

Estimate: In pre-vaccine eras, average life expectancy ranged from 30 to 50 years, depending on other factors like sanitation, nutrition, and healthcare systems. Vaccines alone have added decades to life expectancy in developed nations.

 

 

Would Humans Evolve Through Survival of the Fittest?

Natural Selection: In theory, without vaccines, individuals with genetic resistance to certain diseases would be more likely to survive and pass on their genes. Over many generations, this could lead to a population with increased resistance to those diseases.

Trade-Offs: Evolution through "survival of the fittest" is a slow process, and it comes at the cost of immense suffering, high mortality rates, and reduced genetic diversity.

Modern Context: Evolutionary pressures are less straightforward today because of globalisation, healthcare interventions, and the interconnectedness of human societies. Natural selection would not eliminate all vulnerabilities, as pathogens also evolve.

 

Challenges Without Vaccines

Increased Mutations and New Strains: High disease prevalence increases the chances of pathogens mutating into more dangerous forms.

Economic and Social Impacts: High mortality rates from preventable diseases would strain healthcare systems and disrupt economies.

Vulnerability in a Globalised World: In modern society, where travel is common, diseases would spread rapidly without vaccines, making outbreaks more difficult to control.

 

Conclusion

While humans might develop some level of resistance to certain diseases over generations, this evolutionary process would be slow and come at an immense human cost. Vaccines not only save lives but also prevent long-term suffering and enhance global stability. Without them, the balance would tilt toward higher mortality, reduced life expectancy, and persistent threats of pandemics.

 

 

 

I can't believe I'm still responding... I'm doing so for two reasons: 

- I'm curious as to the extent of the ignorance you present. 

- I'm wondering what ridiculous notion you will come up with next. 

 

 

[xylophone]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

True - I'm struggling to comprehend the ignorance.  Meanwhile I'm laughing at myself for getting dragged into this stupidity.

 

I think I'll leave it now....   debating against this level of ignorance is exhausting - I'm waiting for a response along the lines of Viruses do not exist because we do not exist we are a digital construct !!!!... 

 

 

 

 

I'm also struggling to comprehend the ignorance of that particular poster, because surely no one can be that ignorant and stupid? And the only reason I can think that this poster continues with his ignorance and stupidity is because he/she/it is winding people up with the posts, because that's their raison d'être.

 

You are quite right there is no point in posting facts to try and combat that level of ignorance and am surprised that someone of your ilk has even been drawn into this discussion/debate, however it would appear he/she/it is not alone by virtue of the few emoji's that have supported he/she/it and that is quite unbelievable.

 

Time to switch off from this topic and let the dipsticks wallow in the ignorance in their own echo chamber. 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I've looked. The two science groups i belong to have looked. Lots of independents have looked. There are NO papers anywhere that show the isolation of ANY virus

 

The virologists have adopted the Enders approach. And chucked Koch Postulates and science into the dustbin.

 

Given your content  I doubt the groups you are a member of are anything more than an echo-chamber of ignorance. 

 

 

Your claim that no viruses have been isolated is factually incorrect and dismisses decades of documented scientific research. Virologists have isolated numerous viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, influenza, and HIV, using methods like cell culture, electron microscopy, and genetic sequencing, with findings published in peer-reviewed journals such as Nature and The Lancet.

 

While Koch's postulates were foundational for microbiology, they were not designed for viruses, which require living cells to replicate; modern molecular techniques now provide more suitable alternatives to establish causation.

 

The Enders approach, which enabled breakthroughs like the polio vaccine, represents a scientific advancement, not a rejection of foundational principles.

 

Thousands of independent researchers globally have verified viral isolation, and a wealth of studies can be found in scientific databases, underscoring the robustness of this evidence.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I'm also struggling to comprehend the ignorance of that particular poster, because surely no one can be that ignorant and stupid? And the only reason I can think that this poster continues with his ignorance and stupidity is because he/she/it is winding people up with the posts, because that's their raison d'être.

 

You are quite right there is no point in posting facts to try and combat that level of ignorance and am surprised that someone of your ilk has even been drawn into this discussion/debate, however it would appear he/she/it is not alone by virtue of the few emoji's that have supported he/she/it and that is quite unbelievable.

 

Time to switch off from this topic and let the dipsticks wallow in the ignorance in their own echo chamber. 

 

I'm actually finding this thread to be educational - not from a virological perspective, but from the perspective of learning that such outlandish ignorance in the face of proven fact can still exist.

 

Its one thing when a poster is clearly stupid without knowing it - the debate can be entertaining in a laugh at sort of manner.

 

In this case the 'anti-vaxer' is clearly intelligent - it is thus something new for me that someone of intelligence can be so abundantly ignorant. I suspect I am mistaking written eloquence for intelligence.

 

Regardless, I agree with your sentiment - this silliness has run its course.

 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Wrong...

 

In pre-vaccine eras, average life expectancy ranged from 30 to 50 years, depending on other factors like sanitation, nutrition, and healthcare systems. Vaccines alone have added decades to life expectancy.

 

Impact on Life Expectancy Without Vaccines

Childhood Mortality: Many diseases targeted by vaccines disproportionately affect children. Historically, high childhood mortality due to infectious diseases was a significant drag on average life expectancy.

Epidemics and Pandemics: Diseases like smallpox, measles, and polio caused recurring outbreaks with high death tolls, even among healthy adults.

Lifelong Health Complications: Survivors of diseases like polio or measles often suffered long-term health issues, reducing overall quality and length of life.

Estimate: In pre-vaccine eras, average life expectancy ranged from 30 to 50 years, depending on other factors like sanitation, nutrition, and healthcare systems. Vaccines alone have added decades to life expectancy in developed nations.

 

 

Would Humans Evolve Through Survival of the Fittest?

Natural Selection: In theory, without vaccines, individuals with genetic resistance to certain diseases would be more likely to survive and pass on their genes. Over many generations, this could lead to a population with increased resistance to those diseases.

Trade-Offs: Evolution through "survival of the fittest" is a slow process, and it comes at the cost of immense suffering, high mortality rates, and reduced genetic diversity.

Modern Context: Evolutionary pressures are less straightforward today because of globalisation, healthcare interventions, and the interconnectedness of human societies. Natural selection would not eliminate all vulnerabilities, as pathogens also evolve.

 

Challenges Without Vaccines

Increased Mutations and New Strains: High disease prevalence increases the chances of pathogens mutating into more dangerous forms.

Economic and Social Impacts: High mortality rates from preventable diseases would strain healthcare systems and disrupt economies.

Vulnerability in a Globalised World: In modern society, where travel is common, diseases would spread rapidly without vaccines, making outbreaks more difficult to control.

 

Conclusion

While humans might develop some level of resistance to certain diseases over generations, this evolutionary process would be slow and come at an immense human cost. Vaccines not only save lives but also prevent long-term suffering and enhance global stability. Without them, the balance would tilt toward higher mortality, reduced life expectancy, and persistent threats of pandemics.

 

 

 

I can't believe I'm still responding... I'm doing so for two reasons: 

- I'm curious as to the extent of the ignorance you present. 

- I'm wondering what ridiculous notion you will come up with next. 

 

 

The plumber did more for public health than most white-coats. Garbage disposal helped too. 

 

There are reasons why we get sick. I'm reluctant to use the word disease as it's meaning has been hijacked and leads one to thinl of contagion.

 

I don't mind answering in-depth why we get sick/ill, and what we can do to return our bodies back to good health. Perhaps another thread would be more suitable. Beyond the scope of this one.

 

I'm also up for debate on why the heart does not pomp blood around the body. And try this for size; why viruses actually keep the body in good order. More on these two later perhaps.

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

12 minutes ago, xylophone said:

You are quite right there is no point in posting facts to try and combat that level of ignorance and am surprised that someone of your ilk has even been drawn into this discussion/debate, however it would appear he/she/it is not alone by virtue of the few emoji's that have supported he/she/it and that is quite unbelievable.

Most of the 'facts' that I've seen posted on this thread, supporting viruses and vaxxes, are nonsense. Many of the 'facts' are in fact myths. Perpetuated by well paid virologists, compromised white-coats, Big Pharma and elites (making even more money).

 

A well person is not a Big Pharma customer.

[richard_smith237]

Oh no... I keep coming back for more !!..

 

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'm also up for debate on why the heart does not pomp blood around the body.

 

You've never seen doppler ultra-sound results ? had a contrast CT Scan ?

 

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

And try this for size; why viruses actually keep the body in good order. More on these two later perhaps.

 

There is duality to viruses. They are important to our bodies and play both beneficial and neutral roles. They regulate bacterial populations in the gut, train and strengthen the immune system, and contribute to human evolution by transferring genes. Viruses are also used in therapies, such as gene editing and cancer treatment. Additionally, they help maintain microbial balance and support overall health.

 

So viruses do exist or they don't ?....   It seems you think 'bad viruses' don't exist, and good ones do !!!

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

 

14 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The plumber did more for public health than most white-coats. Garbage disposal helped too. 

 

Arguable, but the binary argument is flawed at a basic point. Advancements in our health have been for multifaceted reasons and range from.... 

 

Improved Sanitation: Clean water systems, proper waste disposal, and improved hygiene practices have reduced the transmission of waterborne diseases like cholera and typhoid, as well as other infections.

 

Access to Clean Water: Safe drinking water has drastically lowered waterborne illnesses, including typhoid, diarrhea, and parasitic infections, improving health and longevity.

 

Vaccination: Widespread immunisation programs have eradicated or controlled many infectious diseases, such as smallpox and polio, preventing millions of deaths.

 

Antibiotics and Antiviral Therapies: The development of effective drugs to treat bacterial and viral infections has drastically reduced mortality rates from once-deadly illnesses.

 

Nutrition and Food Safety: Better understanding of nutrition and implementation of food safety regulations have decreased malnutrition and foodborne illnesses.

 

Public Health Policies: Initiatives such as quarantine measures, health education, and monitoring of disease outbreaks have helped curb the spread of infectious diseases.

 

Advances in Medical Science: Progress in diagnostics, surgical techniques, and chronic disease management has improved overall health outcomes.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Oh no... I keep coming back for more !!..

 

 

You've never seen doppler ultra-sound results ? had a contrast CT Scan ?

 

 

There is duality to viruses. They are important to our bodies and play both beneficial and neutral roles. They regulate bacterial populations in the gut, train and strengthen the immune system, and contribute to human evolution by transferring genes. Viruses are also used in therapies, such as gene editing and cancer treatment. Additionally, they help maintain microbial balance and support overall health.

 

So viruses do exist or they don't ?....   It seems you think 'bad viruses' don't exist, and good ones do !!!

Viruses are part of the body eliminating dead and decaying cells and tissue. They are dead matter. They cannot be brought back to life in a Petri Dish. But do they serve a function? I'm researching this at the present.

 

What we have to do Richard, is to stop the decades old nonsense that governs our health systems, and keeps us from fully appreciating what nature has to offer.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Viruses are part of the body eliminating dead and decaying cells and tissue. They are dead matter. They cannot be brought back to life in a Petri Dish. But do they serve a function? I'm researching this at the present.

 

Correct - but with that comment, you highlight your ignorance again.

Bacteria is grown in a petri-dish, Viruses cannot grow or replicate independently in a petri dish because they are obligate intracellular parasites, meaning they require a host cell to reproduce - which is why they do replicate in Cell and Tissue Cultures.

 

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What we have to do Richard, is to stop the decades old nonsense that governs our health systems, and keeps us from fully appreciating what nature has to offer.

 

I partially agree that we must learn to fully appreciate what nature has to offer, but not through ignorance of medical science. 

[Stiddle Mump]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Arguable, but the binary argument is flawed at a basic point. Advancements in our health have been for multifaceted reasons and range from.... 

 

Improved Sanitation: Agree.

 

Access to Clean Water: Agree, as long as it's fluoride free.

 

Vaccination: Have none. They are all based on myths.

 

Antibiotics and Antiviral Therapies: No,no no.

 

Nutrition and Food Safety: Yes. Perhaps.

 

Public Health Policies: Utter rubbish

 

Advances in Medical Science: Break your leg. Go to hospital. Have a fever; stay away from the doctor.

But look what we have lost! Primarily. seeking the help and advice of nature. some of these white-coats need to get out into the woods and start observing (and learning).

[Stiddle Mump]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Correct - but with that comment, you highlight your ignorance again.

Bacteria is grown in a petri-dish, Viruses cannot grow or replicate independently in a petri dish because they are obligate intracellular parasites, meaning they require a host cell to reproduce - which is why they do replicate in Cell and Tissue Cultures.

 

 

I partially agree that we must learn to fully appreciate what nature has to offer, but not through ignorance of medical science. 

Of course bacteria are alive. Who is doubting that? But vaccines are based around the idea/theory that a virus causes disease.

 

I say they do not.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

But look what we have lost! Primarily. seeking the help and advice of nature. some of these white-coats need to get out into the woods and start observing (and learning).

 

I don't disagree that we can continue to research what nature has to offer. 

I don't believe pharmacology proceeded in a vacuum - in fact I know it doesn't. 

 

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Of course bacteria are alive. Who is doubting that? But vaccines are based around the idea/theory that a virus causes disease.

 

I say they do not.

 

Scientific and medical facts prove you are wrong.

 

 

The debate has really become too dumb now.. I'm out.... all the best.