3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The concept of ‘God before country’ has a long history in Western Societies.

 

 

Really?

19 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Oh that's absolutely shocking thing to say ...please 

I can't fathom the "hate" you have in your heart 

I love meeting muslim men and always kiss them.on all three cheeks ,maybe you should learn to accept the world is changing 

Three cheeks? Most, if not all, religions are a source of trouble, perhaps Buddhism is an exception because they don't proselytize but Islam tends to be exceptional in this respect and tends to go hand in hand with bigotry, ignorance, extremism and violence with no desire to apply logic.

 

The Arab world was a beacon of light in the middle ages, leading the world in mathematics, astrology, medicine and science in general until Islamic extremism took a real hold on society and the Islamic world took large backward steps from which they never recovered. During the middle ages the Christian world swam in bigotry, ignorance and violence but recovered and applied themselves to logic, taking up where the Arabs left off (not without a fight from the church). Today Christian bigotry still exists but secular forces have the upper hand, this isn't possible in the Islamic world because religion has forced them so far backwards that discussion is no longer possible, to reason would result in death and so intellectual ignorance is the result.

 

I have met many Muslims in Germany and in Southern Thailand who are fine, gentle people as long as they stay in their own bubble world within the restraining influence of secularism but don't scratch the surface too deeply, there are the monsters of intolerance and ignorance waiting to appear.

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

As does "Liberals making excuses for violence and intolerance by specific groups". 

 

It is quite telling that these ' Liberals ' are so tolerant, and indeed, try to stick up for such a misogynistic Religion / Way of life.

 

Not very ' Liberal ' in my opinion. Or perhaps ' Illiberal Liberals ' is a truism.

Just now, The Cyclist said:

 

It is quite telling that these ' Liberals ' are so tolerant, and indeed, try to stick up for such a misogynistic Religion / Way of life.

 

Not very ' Liberal ' in my opinion. Or perhaps ' Illiberal Liberals ' is a truism.

 

The term Liberal is an oxymoron these days.

 

Not many people are less liberal than the self declared Liberals. Or more hypocritical. 

 

They claim to want diversity but attack anyone who disagrees with them. 

 

People who claim to be feminists yet defend a religion that routinely treats women as second class citizens, or often much worse.

 

People who claim to want racial equality but support opportunities being given/denied based on race. 

 

People who defend the rights of a bloke to put on a dress and beat the living daylight out of a woman in a boxing ring.

 

A strange phenomenon indeed.  

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

As does "Liberals making excuses for violence and intolerance by specific groups". 

Trust Chomper Higgot to be on the wrong side of the argument again

19 minutes ago, HK MacPhooey said:

Trust Chomper Higgot to be on the wrong side of the argument again

 

I guess some people enjoy defending the indefensible. 

 

One of those "Debate Society" types. 😄

2 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Oh please there's no need to have Islamophobia,we must embrace for cultural enrichment and even learn some of it to better understand and accept the difference in cultural aspects 

it is opions like your that has led to the influence of Muslims and their religion in many areas. Some locations in the Uk Are totally dominated by Muslims and no go areas. 

1 minute ago, jippytum said:

it is opions like your that has led to the influence of Muslims and their religion in many areas. Some locations in the Uk Are totally dominated by Muslims and no go areas. 

He's a troll mate, total 🔔end.

38 minutes ago, HK MacPhooey said:

Trust Chomper Higgot to be on the wrong side of the argument again

 

Although I’m not.

 

The UK has a long and proud tradition of freedom of conscious.

 

 

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I guess some people enjoy defending the indefensible. 

 

One of those "Debate Society" types. 😄

What’s indefensible about putting ‘God before country’?

 

6 minutes ago, jippytum said:

it is opions like your that has led to the influence of Muslims and their religion in many areas. Some locations in the Uk Are totally dominated by Muslims and no go areas. 

The only ‘No’ about the ‘No Go Areas’ in the UK is ‘No, they don’t exist’.

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The only ‘No’ about the ‘No Go Areas’ in the UK is ‘No, they don’t exist’.

 

absolute rubbish like the majority of your posts

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Three cheeks? Most, if not all, religions are a source of trouble, perhaps Buddhism is an exception because they don't proselytize but Islam tends to be exceptional in this respect and tends to go hand in hand with bigotry, ignorance, extremism and violence with no desire to apply logic.

 

The Arab world was a beacon of light in the middle ages, leading the world in mathematics, astrology, medicine and science in general until Islamic extremism took a real hold on society and the Islamic world took large backward steps from which they never recovered. During the middle ages the Christian world swam in bigotry, ignorance and violence but recovered and applied themselves to logic, taking up where the Arabs left off (not without a fight from the church). Today Christian bigotry still exists but secular forces have the upper hand, this isn't possible in the Islamic world because religion has forced them so far backwards that discussion is no longer possible, to reason would result in death and so intellectual ignorance is the result.

 

I have met many Muslims in Germany and in Southern Thailand who are fine, gentle people as long as they stay in their own bubble world within the restraining influence of secularism but don't scratch the surface too deeply, there are the monsters of intolerance and ignorance waiting to appear.

 

Islamic propaganda, they merely assimilated the knowledge and wisdom of the people they conquered, there was no golden age of Islamic invention and genius. It does not matter how many fine moderate muslims you meet, they do not alter any of the destructive beliefs of Islam, any more than the odd decent Nazi or communist altered their beliefs. The suggestion that Islam has promoted scientific accomplishment early on, or now, is laughable, how many Nobel prises have muslims won against by comparison a tiny Jewish population? Islam is an anathema to science and technology.

While Jews, who are only around 0.2 percent of the world population, have won a quarter of all Nobel Prizes awarded in the sciences, Muslims, who are one quarter of the world population, have won only a handful, even by the most generous accounts.

13 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Islamic propaganda, they merely assimilated the knowledge and wisdom of the people they conquered, there was no golden age of Islamic invention and genius. It does not matter how many fine moderate muslims you meet, they do not alter any of the destructive beliefs of Islam, any more than the odd decent Nazi or communist altered their beliefs. The suggestion that Islam has promoted scientific accomplishment early on, or now, is laughable, how many Nobel prises have muslims won against by comparison a tiny Jewish population? Islam is an anathema to science and technology.

While Jews, who are only around 0.2 percent of the world population, have won a quarter of all Nobel Prizes awarded in the sciences, Muslims, who are one quarter of the world population, have won only a handful, even by the most generous accounts.

If you read what I wrote carefully you would see that I was referring to the 'Islamic golden age' which took place from the 8th to the 14th century where they made significant advances in mathematics, astronomy and medicine until the Islamic religion radicalized society to the extent that progress withered and the seats of learning were transferred to the West. Today, due to the lack of division of secular and religious law, Muslims aren't able to return to an age of reason.

13 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

If you read what I wrote carefully you would see that I was referring to the 'Islamic golden age' which took place from the 8th to the 14th century where they made significant advances in mathematics, astronomy and medicine until the Islamic religion radicalized society to the extent that progress withered and the seats of learning were transferred to the West. Today, due to the lack of division of secular and religious law, Muslims aren't able to return to an age of reason.

 

 Why carry on spreading this myth of the golden age, it was a golden age of conquest, nothing more and not golden for the people they invaded, slaughtered and forced their religion on.

 

 

Just now, proton said:

 

 Why carry on spreading this myth of the golden age, it was a golden age of conquest, nothing more and not golden for the people they invaded, slaughtered and forced their religion on

There was a time when Muslims, Jews and Christians were able to live harmoniously together. Considering the atrocities committed by the crusaders I don't think we should get all precious about similar atrocities committed by the Muslims.

4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

There was a time when Muslims, Jews and Christians were able to live harmoniously together. Considering the atrocities committed by the crusaders I don't think we should get all precious about similar atrocities committed by the Muslims.

 

Crusades were only launched to free access to Jerusalem for pilgrims and after 300 years of Muslims invading christian lands in the middle east, burning churches and persecuting Christians and Jews. It's another myth Muslims existed peacefully with other religions, only when the others were paying the protection money the jizyah, Muslims were the first to make jews wear yellow identity markers in the 8thc, not the nazis.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s indefensible about putting ‘God before country’?

 

 

I guess that depends on what atrocities you commit in the name of your "God".

 

It's quite fitting that you would ask such a question on the 10 year anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo attacks though.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8ew0lzggr7o

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Although I’m not.

 

The UK has a long and proud tradition of freedom of conscious.

 

 

 

That ended when your mate comrade Starmer started jailing people for facebook posts

1 minute ago, proton said:

 

Crusades were only launched to free access to Jerusalem for pilgrims and after 300 years of Muslims invading christian lands in the middle east, burning churches and persecuting Christians and Jews. It's another myth Muslims existed peacefully with other religions, only when the others were paying the protection money the jizyah, Muslims were the first to make jews wear yellow identity markers in the 8thc, not the nazis.

You seem to think I support the Muslim's viewpoint, I don't, I am not a Muslim or a Christian, I don't identify with any religion although I can find points of agreement with the philosophical aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism but one should give credit where credit is due, not every Muslim is a potential terrorist. Jews also view Judaism as primary over the state and yet nobody calls them out on it and I don't agree with the momentary anti-Jewish hysteria happening at this time. Religion, once a necessary unifying element in ancient societies, has outlived its usefulness. Today terrorism is more about international politics than religion but it's a useful cloak that is used to justify a multitude of sins. Even the Nazis had 'Gott mit uns' stamped on their belt buckle.

25 minutes ago, proton said:

 

That ended when your mate comrade Starmer started jailing people for facebook posts

Jailed by the courts for online hate mongering, inciting hatred and inciting violence.

 

Details matter Proton.

4 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Oh the level of paranoia ?

Embrace the change ,your fellow Countrymen are accepting it and you must too.

I just watched a beautiful YouTube video of old age english people in London protesting for MORE immigration,how beautiful of these aged people to embrace new cultures into their homeland 

Learn , embrace and accept just like the old British pensioners

An ill-informed response. You are clearly ignorant of what is going on in the UK. I suggest you refrain from commenting on an issue unless you know what you are talking about.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The only ‘No’ about the ‘No Go Areas’ in the UK is ‘No, they don’t exist’.

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed, a quick AI check can show that.

"The idea of a "no-go zone" is a false construct that's often used to justify distrust of a particular ethnic or religious group. It's associated with fears that these places are governed by sharia law, but sharia councils in the UK don't have legal standing. They serve a religious function, similar to a Jewish Beth Din or a Catholic Consistory Court"

54 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

There was a time when Muslims, Jews and Christians were able to live harmoniously together. Considering the atrocities committed by the crusaders I don't think we should get all precious about similar atrocities committed by the Muslims.

We are a 1000 years on, ol' chap, from your Crusaders......🙄........

Can't wait to see what this vile religion does when they are in control of a city and a Christian council of the UK appears

2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Can't wait to see what this vile religion does when they are in control of a city and a Christian council of the UK appears

I take it you recognize the import of Article 9 of the Europe Convention on Human Rights.

 

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Which is why conscientious objectors in the two world wars were generally imprisoned. Identifying with either religion or country can mask a multitude of atrocities, as Samuel Johnson said in 1775, "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".  I don't base my sense of self on religion or country but I find it wrong that a bunch of foreigners can enter a country, any country, and try to change the very fabric of its sense of community, that includes these over zealous Christian missionaries. 

 

I don't think that any modern Christian missionaries are attempting to change any national "fabrics" but they might expect to convert a limited amount of individuals.

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

There was a time when Muslims, Jews and Christians were able to live harmoniously together. Considering the atrocities committed by the crusaders I don't think we should get all precious about similar atrocities committed by the Muslims.

 

When and where was this harmony, and why do you think the Crusaders existed in the first place?? 

23 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

When and where was this harmony, and why do you think the Crusaders existed in the first place?? 

 

Usually Andalusia is fronted as an example of harmony, sadly it's not the case at all. Islam is full of lies, especially about it's own history and useful idiots support it.

 

 

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

That ended when your mate comrade Starmer started jailing people for facebook posts

Strangely during that protest time your PM Starmer issued warnings that even those living overseas would be brought to the UK to  face trial, what a terrible country to live