TIN number and how do I apply for one.

[khunPer]

22 hours ago, topt said:

I take it you have not seen the multiple comments recently from posters in various threads about how their local tax office refused to give them a TIN as they did not need to file...........

And I take you don't read the AN-news, which states that foreigners need to file a tax return...😉
 

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

8 minutes ago, khunPer said:

And I take you don't read the AN-news, which states that foreigners need to file a tax return...

Much like the hundreds of thousands of other expats who never read AN-news I expect. Imagine a Thailand without this web site and no one would even be discussing TINs or changes in tax laws of which there are no changes. Don't you think if something had changed for expats authorities would go out of their way to inform said expats and not assume they all read AN-news.

[oldcpu]

5 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Much like the hundreds of thousands of other expats who never read AN-news I expect. Imagine a Thailand without this web site and no one would even be discussing TINs or changes in tax laws of which there are no changes. Don't you think if something had changed for expats authorities would go out of their way to inform said expats and not assume they all read AN-news.

 

I suspect many foreigners who don't read this web site, when they show up at their local RD to get a Thai TIN, will find out the policy of their local RD, which may (or may not) be no TIN provided and do not file a tax return. or it may be here is a TIN and please do file a tax return.

 

I also suspect some Thai local RD offices might initially get their assessment wrong, but I speculate as time goes by, the accuracy of assessment of the local Thai RD in evaluating the need to file a tax return (for the situation of different foreigners) will improve.

[khunPer]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Much like the hundreds of thousands of other expats who never read AN-news I expect. Imagine a Thailand without this web site and no one would even be discussing TINs or changes in tax laws of which there are no changes. Don't you think if something had changed for expats authorities would go out of their way to inform said expats and not assume they all read AN-news.

Indeed foreigners discuss TIN and income tax in other forums than AN and in other languages than English, I know of both German and Danish. And by the way, tax officers also visits foreigners in person to check that they pay their income tax, either at home or here in Thailand. I've had a visit, and so have the more than 20 other country fellows where I live; the tax officer showed me the list with expat-names to visit. I luckily had my stuff in perfect order, they said, but they were shocked over how much tax I pay at home. So, now you are warned, if you stay in the Kingdom for more than 180 days within a tax-year, because then you might have an unannounced tax-visit...

[jayboy]

On 1/17/2025 at 8:25 AM, thesetat said:

If you ever worked legally in Thailand and had a tax number issued. That number is valid forever in every part of Thailand

 

 

I'm not sure that is correct.My understanding is that the Ministry of Interior had a reorganization of the system a few years ago and numbers issued previously became invalid, replaced by a 13 digit version.Somebody more knowledgeable than me will be able to advise.

[topt]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

And I take you don't read the AN-news, which states that foreigners need to file a tax return...😉

And if you read the comments following it seems pretty clear that he never used the word "foreigners" - so no it didn't state that.

 

And yes a tax resident can be a foreigner before you go down that rabbit hole.

[topt]

17 minutes ago, khunPer said:

I've had a visit, and so have the more than 20 other country fellows where I live; t

So all from 1 or 2 nationalities only and presumably this was last year so not even due to the change that happened?

Any specific reason why they they may have visited you and the others as I have never heard of similar happening in Pattaya for example.

 

[GinBoy2]

On 1/16/2025 at 2:30 PM, SiSePuede419 said:

PROTIP: Even though they ask for the original document for your wife's passport, don't send it to them.

The Austin office lost my wife's passport and refused to admit it.

Instead send them a certified copy of your wife's passport.  You might have to go to the nearest big city they don't do this everywhere.  We had to drive 4 hours to Chiang Mai to certify.

They are discussing obtaining a Thailand TIN, not a US TIN

[bamnutsak]

48 minutes ago, khunPer said:

the tax officer showed me the list with expat-names to visit.

 

I'm a little surprised that a Thai government official would share a list of "expat-names" with you.

 

That seems like gross misconduct.

 

What prompted that?

 

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

tax officers also visits foreigners in person to check that they pay their income tax, either at home or here in Thailand. I've had a visit, and so have the more than 20 other country fellows where I live; the tax officer showed me the list with expat-names to visit. I luckily had my stuff in perfect order, they said, but they were shocked over how much tax I pay at home. So, now you are warned, if you stay in the Kingdom for more than 180 days within a tax-year, because then you might have an unannounced tax-visit...

Well I've lived in Thailand over 40 years and never heard of this. Maybe foreigners who are in places of work, but not heard of the RD coming to peoples homes as you suggest.

[thesetat]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

 

I'm not sure that is correct.My understanding is that the Ministry of Interior had a reorganization of the system a few years ago and numbers issued previously became invalid, replaced by a 13 digit version.Somebody more knowledgeable than me will be able to advise.

well... i went last week and they said i can use my old tax number they found in their system from 12 years ago in another province when i was working legally in thailand and paying tax. So i am pretty sure the information i gave is correct..

[thesetat]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Indeed foreigners discuss TIN and income tax in other forums than AN and in other languages than English, I know of both German and Danish. And by the way, tax officers also visits foreigners in person to check that they pay their income tax, either at home or here in Thailand. I've had a visit, and so have the more than 20 other country fellows where I live; the tax officer showed me the list with expat-names to visit. I luckily had my stuff in perfect order, they said, but they were shocked over how much tax I pay at home. So, now you are warned, if you stay in the Kingdom for more than 180 days within a tax-year, because then you might have an unannounced tax-visit...

Im sorry... but why would they come to your home to check this? 2 reasons i am asking. 1- they have that information if you are paying already in their computer system. 2. You did not need to pay tax on anything other than income earned in Thailand previously. It only became active in 2025 that you would need to file by Mar. 31 if you have lived here longer than 180 days. 

So perhaps you are leaving out pertinent information to make such a comment and because of this you may be making some old-timers fearful for knocks on their doors about paying their taxes.

[thesetat]

On 1/17/2025 at 2:52 PM, saintdomingo said:

I saw a comment not long ago that if you have a bank passbook savings account that deducts tax from interest paid, you will then have a TIN number.

True or false, anybody know.?

a bank can not make a TIN number application. You must do it. At least as far as I know. 

[Bday Prang]

22 hours ago, IsaanT said:

FWIW, I'm filing because then it's all above board and proper.  I have no wish to cause any problems in my host country.

I've calculated I might owe £71 in tax - it's a small price to pay.

   for gods sake this is Thailand , not England ! "above board and proper" and other such phrases have no relevance here. 

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Indeed foreigners discuss TIN and income tax in other forums than AN and in other languages than English, I know of both German and Danish. And by the way, tax officers also visits foreigners in person to check that they pay their income tax, either at home or here in Thailand. I've had a visit, and so have the more than 20 other country fellows where I live; the tax officer showed me the list with expat-names to visit. I luckily had my stuff in perfect order, they said, but they were shocked over how much tax I pay at home. So, now you are warned, if you stay in the Kingdom for more than 180 days within a tax-year, because then you might have an unannounced tax-visit...

Presumably you are, or were,  running some sort of business ?  I have never heard of any retiree being visited by the tax people, ever, in 30 years.   Stop scaremongering

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, khunPer said:

And by the way, tax officers also visits foreigners in person to check that they pay their income tax, either at home or here in Thailand. I've had a visit, and so have the more than 20 other country fellows where I live; the tax officer showed me the list with expat-names to visit.

 

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

 

Unless there's quite a bit more to the story, I'm calling shenanigans.

[jayboy]

43 minutes ago, thesetat said:

well... i went last week and they said i can use my old tax number they found in their system from 12 years ago in another province when i was working legally in thailand and paying tax. So i am pretty sure the information i gave is correct..

 

As a matter of interest was your old tax number 10 or 13 digits? I'm not sure when the switch to 13 digits TINS for foreigners took place but I'm fairly sure it was less than 12 years ago.

[thesetat]

2 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

As a matter of interest was your old tax number 10 or 13 digits? I'm not sure when the switch to 13 digits TINS for foreigners took place but I'm fairly sure it was less than 12 years ago.

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[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

As a matter of interest was your old tax number 10 or 13 digits? I'm not sure when the switch to 13 digits TINS for foreigners took place but I'm fairly sure it was less than 12 years ago.

 

I got my TIN in 2016.  13 digits.  Got pinkie in 2023.  TRD cancelled my TIN when they activated pinkie for online filing.

[Yumthai]

3 hours ago, khunPer said:

So, now you are warned, if you stay in the Kingdom for more than 180 days within a tax-year, because then you might have an unannounced tax-visit...

Thank you for your kind warning, it will be taken with the highest consideration.