Irish diver’s fate revealed on Thailand’s ‘Death Island’

[KhunHeineken]

2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Neither, he was in his hotel room.

Oh.

 

I'm guessing toxicology results will be important in this case.  

[josephbloggs]

7 hours ago, Wavel said:

My condolences to the family for the sad loss. I don’t know the circumstances of the young lad’s death, but Unfortunately in Thailand corruption is rife in every single warp of life & wherever a Bhat can be made it will be. I have never dived myself but have met quite a few in the past and have been told that when the bottles are filled perhaps they don’t get filled to 100% so there’s a scim off the top for the price of the bottle. As I say I don’t know the circumstances but this is a practice that goes on.

So you admit you don't know the circumstances, you have never dived, but "people" (in bars?) have told you that goes on.

Ie. you know nothing but you felt the need to post your ignorant nonsense.

As others have already said it would be immediately noticeable by any idea if this made up practice was "going on".

AN bar stool conspiracy theory dreamers, where would we be without them?

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Got himself killed"?   He died in his hotel room lying on the bed.

DSC can happen hours, or even a day or so after scuba diving.

[save the frogs]

there was a thread about this topic a while back.

all the people who die seem to be divers?

 

 

[KhunHeineken]

17 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

So you admit you don't know the circumstances, you have never dived, but "people" (in bars?) have told you that goes on.

Ie. you know nothing but you felt the need to post your ignorant nonsense.

As others have already said it would be immediately noticeable by any idea if this made up practice was "going on".

AN bar stool conspiracy theory dreamers, where would we be without them?

The same was said about the overloaded speed boats from Samui to Koh Phangan, with the drunk skippers, on full moon party nights. 

 

Anything that "tarnishes" Thailand's tourism industry, the response is the same, deny, deny deny.  When the death toll got so bad they put a Thai Navy check point in between the islands.

 

Then, there was the bed bug spray in a hotel in Chiang Mai, and elsewhere.  Deny, deny, deny until the family of one deceased had an independent autopsy done in their home country and the truth was undeniable.  

 

There's also the methanol poisoning from Lao Khao.  We have just seen the tragedy in Laos.  It happens in Thailand also. Deny, deny, deny.  

 

There's also the coach bus crashes that's killed hundreds here.  The bus driver, Somchai, is on 300 baht a day, the cheapest he company could get, and he has so many lives in his hands. 

 

Do I know for certain this practice of under filling tanks happens, no. 

 

Would it surprise me if it did happen, no, and that's the sad thing about Thailand, MONEY NUMBER ONE, so cut safety corners, maximize profits, and life is cheap.   

[rattlesnake]

On 1/16/2025 at 8:31 AM, ukrules said:

Ah yes, there's a lot of this kind of thing going around lately.

Know of a couple of cases myself. People dropping dead, brain bleeds, clots in the lungs, etc, etc. All young.

The old, no idea but it's noticeable in the young.

 

Indeed, and we know what's causing it.

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

The same was said about the overloaded speed boats from Samui to Koh Phangan, with the drunk skippers, on full moon party nights. 

 

Anything that "tarnishes" Thailand's tourism industry, the response is the same, deny, deny deny.  When the death toll got so bad they put a Thai Navy check point in between the islands.

 

Then, there was the bed bug spray in a hotel in Chiang Mai, and elsewhere.  Deny, deny, deny until the family of one deceased had an independent autopsy done in their home country and the truth was undeniable.  

 

There's also the methanol poisoning from Lao Khao.  We have just seen the tragedy in Laos.  It happens in Thailand also. Deny, deny, deny.  

 

There's also the coach bus crashes that's killed hundreds here.  The bus driver, Somchai, is on 300 baht a day, the cheapest he company could get, and he has so many lives in his hands. 

 

Do I know for certain this practice of under filling tanks happens, no. 

 

Would it surprise me if it did happen, no, and that's the sad thing about Thailand, MONEY NUMBER ONE, so cut safety corners, maximize profits, and life is cheap.   

Underfilling tanks doesn't happen and even if it would it wouldn't make it unsafe.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

The same was said about the overloaded speed boats from Samui to Koh Phangan, with the drunk skippers, on full moon party nights. 

 

Anything that "tarnishes" Thailand's tourism industry, the response is the same, deny, deny deny.  When the death toll got so bad they put a Thai Navy check point in between the islands.

 

Then, there was the bed bug spray in a hotel in Chiang Mai, and elsewhere.  Deny, deny, deny until the family of one deceased had an independent autopsy done in their home country and the truth was undeniable.  

 

There's also the methanol poisoning from Lao Khao.  We have just seen the tragedy in Laos.  It happens in Thailand also. Deny, deny, deny.  

 

There's also the coach bus crashes that's killed hundreds here.  The bus driver, Somchai, is on 300 baht a day, the cheapest he company could get, and he has so many lives in his hands. 

 

Do I know for certain this practice of under filling tanks happens, no. 

 

Would it surprise me if it did happen, no, and that's the sad thing about Thailand, MONEY NUMBER ONE, so cut safety corners, maximize profits, and life is cheap.   

 

   Have a great weekend everyone . 

[Phillip9]

3 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Do I know for certain this practice of under filling tanks happens, no. 

 

Would it surprise me if it did happen, no,

 

If they under filled the tank, it would be completely obvious to the diver.  All diving gear has a simple pressure gauge that displays the air left in the tank.  Divers check the air gauge frequently while diving.  Even if the tanks were under filled, it wouldn't make the dive unsafe -- Divers are trained to end the dive when the tank gets below 25% remaining.

 

There is no reason or benefit to under filling tanks anyway.  Most divers just use compressed air which costs nothing, so the company wouldn't be saving any money by under filling tanks.

 

The whole idea that the tanks might have been under filled is the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet.......

 

 

 

[KhunHeineken]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Underfilling tanks doesn't happen

Nothing happens here that "tarnishes" Thailand's tourism industry.  It's always the tourist's fault. 

 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

How can you say it didn't happen in this case?  Were you there?

 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

even if it would it wouldn't make it unsafe.

Young diver, going for a dive, throws a tank on, tank SHOULD be full, gauge says down a bit.  Assumes gauge is inaccurate, continues with the dive regardless.  Recipe for disaster. 

 

Not saying that's what happened in this case, but you can't say the tanks here are ALWAYS full, can you? 

[KhunHeineken]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Have a great weekend everyone . 

Yes, and stay safe out there.

[KhunHeineken]

1 hour ago, Phillip9 said:

If they under filled the tank, it would be completely obvious to the diver.  All diving gear has a simple pressure gauge that displays the air left in the tank.

That's my understand, and as an experienced diver, I would have expected this guy to abort the dive and recheck equipment. 

 

Once again, I am not saying that's what happened in this case, just saying, I would not be surprised if the practice happened.

 

1 hour ago, Phillip9 said:

Divers check the air gauge frequently while diving.  Even if the tanks were under filled, it wouldn't make the dive unsafe -- Divers are trained to end the dive when the tank gets below 25% remaining.

 

I accept this, but the question remains, is it possible tanks are under filled?  That's a yes or no answer.

 

Perhaps it's a money spinning idea.  Less air in tanks, shorter dives, more divers / dives in a day.  MONEY NUMBER ONE here.  

 

1 hour ago, Phillip9 said:

There is no reason or benefit to under filling tanks anyway.  Most divers just use compressed air which costs nothing, so the company wouldn't be saving any money by under filling tanks.

I addressed this above.  

 

1 hour ago, Phillip9 said:

The whole idea that the tanks might have been under filled is the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet.....

I didn't post it first.  I just said it would not surprise me, and gave other examples of the many deaths that occur in Thailand for similar reasons.  

 

It's not always the blind drunk backpacker on a motor scooter speeding that crashes and dies.  In many cases, and I have named a few, and you can check them out, the Thai's are to blame.    

[josephbloggs]

47 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

That's my understand, and as an experienced diver, I would have expected this guy to abort the dive and recheck equipment. 

 

Once again, I am not saying that's what happened in this case, just saying, I would not be surprised if the practice happened.

 

I accept this, but the question remains, is it possible tanks are under filled?  That's a yes or no answer.

 

Perhaps it's a money spinning idea.  Less air in tanks, shorter dives, more divers / dives in a day.  MONEY NUMBER ONE here.  

 

I addressed this above.  

 

I didn't post it first.  I just said it would not surprise me, and gave other examples of the many deaths that occur in Thailand for similar reasons.  

 

It's not always the blind drunk backpacker on a motor scooter speeding that crashes and dies.  In many cases, and I have named a few, and you can check them out, the Thai's are to blame.    

Air is expensive, so they could have filled the tank with old leftover soup. Money number one here. Maybe he was so excited by his dive he didn't check if his tank had soup in it instead of air - could easily happen. Thais are to blame, remember. More soup in tanks = less money spent = less dives as divers return to the surface as they are full of soup. Typical Thai greed!!

And then the get out: I am not saying that did happen, but it could easily have happened due to tired of AN cliches like "money number one", "wouldn't surprise me", "could easily happen with Thais" etc.

Even for the normal paranoid anti-Thai AN detective work we always see here you have taken it to a new level. Sad life.

[KhunHeineken]

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Air is expensive, so they could have filled the tank with old leftover soup.

Philip9 says "air costs nothing."  Who and what to believe? 

 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Money number one here. Maybe he was so excited by his dive he didn't check if his tank had soup in it instead of air - could easily happen. Thais are to blame, remember. More soup in tanks = less money spent = less dives as divers return to the surface as they are full of soup. Typical Thai greed!!

Seen it in other tourism sectors here.  Why would diving be any different? 

 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

And then the get out: I am not saying that did happen, but it could easily have happened due to tired of AN cliches like "money number one", "wouldn't surprise me", "could easily happen with Thais" etc.

Well, we wouldn't want to "defame" a diving company, would we? 

 

They can sue for defamation, which means gaol time.  Thus, no freedom of speech around the incident, but hey, the Thai tourism industry must be protected at all and any cost. 

 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Even for the normal paranoid anti-Thai AN detective work we always see here you have taken it to a new level. Sad life.

No, just not as naive as you, but then again, I guess you are the sort of guy that actually believes your girl is "different."  Do try to think outside of the square sometimes. 

 

MONEY NUMBER ONE here.  Go on the record.  Do you agree or disagree with this term?   

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Philip9 says "air costs nothing."  Who and what to believe? 

I don't know. I said air is very expensive. How much do you pay for yours?

 

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Well, we wouldn't want to "defame" a diving company, would we? 

 

They can sue for defamation, which means gaol time.  Thus, no freedom of speech around the incident, but hey, the Thai tourism industry must be protected at all and any cost. 

Er, what? Do you really believe they filled the tanks with soup? Seems you take things very literally.

 

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No, just not as naive as you, but then again, I guess you are the sort of guy that actually believes your girl is "different."  Do try to think outside of the square sometimes. 

Sorry if you only have experience with prostitutes. I believe they are mostly the same which explains your thinking. Non prostitutes are "different". Girls of a similar age to you are "different". You have a bitter outlook if you believe all Thai women are the same and out to get you, very very sad.

 

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MONEY NUMBER ONE here.  Go on the record.  Do you agree or disagree with this term?   

Yes, happy to go on the record that this is just a ridiculous AN cliche used by bitter old men here who have a sad outlook on life, and possibly those that have been burned by prostitutes due to their own naivety. It in no way reflects the majority of the population. I have been here nearly 30 years and vehemently disagree with your hackneyed rubbish.

Why don't you go on the record and tell us what happened to you that causes you to besmirch an entire country with such a bitter and silly claim? What makes you so bitter? I've gone on the record, now your turn.

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Nothing happens here that "tarnishes" Thailand's tourism industry.  It's always the tourist's fault. 

 

How can you say it didn't happen in this case?  Were you there?

 

Young diver, going for a dive, throws a tank on, tank SHOULD be full, gauge says down a bit.  Assumes gauge is inaccurate, continues with the dive regardless.  Recipe for disaster. 

 

Not saying that's what happened in this case, but you can't say the tanks here are ALWAYS full, can you? 

Thanks for confirming my opinion.

"You simply don't know what you're talking about."

[KhunLA]

12 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Nothing happens here that "tarnishes" Thailand's tourism industry.  It's always the tourist's fault. 

 

How can you say it didn't happen in this case?  Were you there?

 

Young diver, going for a dive, throws a tank on, tank SHOULD be full, gauge says down a bit.  Assumes gauge is inaccurate, continues with the dive regardless.  Recipe for disaster. 

 

Not saying that's what happened in this case, but you can't say the tanks here are ALWAYS full, can you? 

You really don't have a clue about the diving sport.

 

Underfilling tanks, just isn't going to happen.  Think about a bar that sell weak drinks, or tap beer and doesn't give you a full glass of.

 

How long would they stay in business.

 

An inaccurate gauge ... don't think so, that's a lawsuit no manufacturer wants to face.  

 

A thread full of ignorant detectives with no info to go on.  People know only 1 fact, someone died, that is all.

 

Nothing new revealed in this CB thread, except how ignorant people are of the diving sport & industry.

[Woke to Sounds of Horking]

On 1/16/2025 at 1:31 AM, ukrules said:

Know of a couple of cases myself. People dropping dead, brain bleeds, clots in the lungs, etc, etc. All young.

The old, no idea but it's noticeable in the young.

Vacksd ... or ?

[Woke to Sounds of Horking]

On 1/16/2025 at 2:10 AM, digger70 said:

That should stop the  people from Begging the Public.

Nobody is forcing anyone to donate to the GoFundMe campaigns.  People donate because they're kind hearted and they want to help.

 

Let families beg if they have to.

 

No one chooses to be poor.

[Woke to Sounds of Horking]

The electrocution theory might be plausible. Bad wiring at the beach huts, ungrounded, water conducts current...

 

If I recall correctly the young man was found in bed clutching a mobile that was plugged into the mains.

 

If that could be the case it's easy to see why the cops want this closed asap.

 

RIP brother, you lived life on your terms 🍺

[Mr Meeseeks]

17 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

The same was said about the overloaded speed boats from Samui to Koh Phangan, with the drunk skippers, on full moon party nights. 

 

Anything that "tarnishes" Thailand's tourism industry, the response is the same, deny, deny deny.  When the death toll got so bad they put a Thai Navy check point in between the islands.

 

Then, there was the bed bug spray in a hotel in Chiang Mai, and elsewhere.  Deny, deny, deny until the family of one deceased had an independent autopsy done in their home country and the truth was undeniable.  

 

There's also the methanol poisoning from Lao Khao.  We have just seen the tragedy in Laos.  It happens in Thailand also. Deny, deny, deny.  

 

Absolutely spot on and has been forever thus.

[Mr Meeseeks]

30 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

An inaccurate gauge ... don't think so, that's a lawsuit no manufacturer wants to face.  

 

Many companies use broken / inaccurate gauges on dive equipment. 

 

One such example from my own experience is a well known offshore safety training company on the Eastern seaboard that was using broken gauges on their Compressed Air rebreathers when I did my offshore survival training there.

 

'Mai bpen rai' was the usual excuse.

 

You really think Thai companies are bothered about lawsuits? 🤣

[KhunLA]

14 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Many companies use broken / inaccurate gauges on dive equipment. 

 

One such example from my own experience is a well known offshore safety training company on the Eastern seaboard that was using broken gauges on their Compressed Air rebreathers when I did my offshore survival training there.

 

'Mai bpen rai' was the usual excuse.

 

You really think Thai companies are bothered about lawsuits? 🤣

Are pressure gauges for diving made by Thai companies ?

 

Since he made it back to the surface alive, and died at his hotel, I think it's safe to say, we can rule out his equipment, and the diving industry completely, with being the cause of, or contributing to his death.

 

Y'all are nuts ... 

[digger70]

2 hours ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

Nobody is forcing anyone to donate to the GoFundMe campaigns.  People donate because they're kind hearted and they want to help.

 

Let families beg if they have to.

 

No one chooses to be poor.

That' BS,If people can pay to Travel They Can Pay for an Insurance.

NO EXCUSE.  🙏

[CHdiver]

21 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Do I know for certain this practice of under filling tanks happens, no. 

 

Would it surprise me if it did happen, no,

Stop with this nonsense!

 

There is no benefit in underfilling a tank. Because as a diver you will do a buddy check. Part of it is check the tank pressure. So, even before you dive, you know how much air is in your tank. You do not dive with a tank that has not enough pressure in it. 

 

Actually you check the tank pressure before you even put your BCD  on. You open the tank valve, then check the pressure and take a breath from the tank. 

 

As I said, there is no benefit for a dive shop to not fill a tank properly. Nobody will start a dive with a halve empty tank. Now go to your drink buddys in the Bar and check that you don't get a halve full beer bottle. Thats more in line with your knowledge and to sell you a halve empty bottle would probalby benefit the Bar.

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Are pressure gauges for diving made by Thai companies ?

 

Since he made it back to the surface alive, and died at his hotel, I think it's safe to say, we can rule out his equipment, and the diving industry completely, with being the cause of, or contributing to his death.

 

Y'all are nuts ... 

Not quite,

There's been many deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning, if the (gasoline powered) air compressor has the intake too near the exhaust, you get small amounts of CO in the tank. You can still breath when the air is under pressure while diving, but get poisoned when back at normal air pressure.

[stevenl]

20 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Not quite,

There's been many deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning, if the (gasoline powered) air compressor has the intake too near the exhaust, you get small amounts of CO in the tank. You can still breath when the air is under pressure while diving, but get poisoned when back at normal air pressure.

No, the issue is at depth due to carbon monoxide preventing oxygen to bond with your blood. Therefore you smell and taste the air during the surface check before the dive, and if it does happen you abort the dive.

[KhunHeineken]

On 1/18/2025 at 6:35 AM, CHdiver said:

Stop with this nonsense!

 

There is no benefit in underfilling a tank. Because as a diver you will do a buddy check. Part of it is check the tank pressure. So, even before you dive, you know how much air is in your tank. You do not dive with a tank that has not enough pressure in it. 

 

Actually you check the tank pressure before you even put your BCD  on. You open the tank valve, then check the pressure and take a breath from the tank. 

 

As I said, there is no benefit for a dive shop to not fill a tank properly. Nobody will start a dive with a halve empty tank. Now go to your drink buddys in the Bar and check that you don't get a halve full beer bottle. Thats more in line with your knowledge and to sell you a halve empty bottle would probalby benefit the Bar.

I was not the one that suggested it happened in this case, or happens on a regular basis. 

 

I merely stated I would not be surprised if it did, and pointed out some other poor safety standards in Thailand that has killed many other tourists, which you conveniently did not comment on, because, apparently, and according to you, the safety standards for diving in Thailand are world class. 

 

Now pour yourself another Leo and chat to your buddys and think about all the tourists that have died in Thailand due to poor safety standard.

 

Here's just one example out of many. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44728478

 

"The Phoenix was among several boats that appeared to have ignored a warning in place since Wednesday not to take tourists on daytrips to the islands off Phuket because of "strong winds and storms", officials said."

 

MONEY NUMBER ONE here, which also includes the dive industry. 

 

 

[KhunHeineken]

On 1/18/2025 at 2:44 AM, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Absolutely spot on and has been forever thus.

It's a rinse and repeat thing. 

 

Tourism industries here push the boundaries / exceed safety standards, and when it comes undone and tourists die, and it makes the global media, they arrest the owner of the company and declare the WHOLE industry has been cleaned up and it's safe for tourists, again, until the next time, and then rinse and repeat. 

 

As you say.  It's been this way forever.   

[KhunHeineken]

On 1/18/2025 at 2:15 AM, KhunLA said:

You really don't have a clue about the diving sport.

You really have no clue about safety standard in Thailand. 

 

MONEY NUMBER ONE - it's as simple as that. 

 

On 1/18/2025 at 2:15 AM, KhunLA said:

Underfilling tanks, just isn't going to happen.  Think about a bar that sell weak drinks, or tap beer and doesn't give you a full glass of.

You can not guarantee it did not / does not happen though, can you?

 

Ok, bars like that go out of business, but they don't kill people, do they? 

 

Then, there's too much methanol, but that's another story.  Then there's too much bed bug spray, but that's another story also. 

 

Is it possible?  That's a Yes or No answer? 

 

On 1/18/2025 at 2:15 AM, KhunLA said:

An inaccurate gauge ... don't think so, that's a lawsuit no manufacturer wants to face. 

Good luck with that for a cheap Chinese copy from nowhere. 

 

On 1/18/2025 at 2:15 AM, KhunLA said:

A thread full of ignorant detectives with no info to go on.  People know only 1 fact, someone died, that is all.

There is some truth to your statement. 

 

I wasn't there, but then again, neither were you. 

 

Fact is, as you say, someone died, so I hope the family, and note I said the family, get to find out why. 

 

Like the bed bug spray, it took the family to have an independent autopsy done in their home country to solve the case of the many dead in one hotel in Chiang Mai. 

 

Prior to the family's own investigation, it was deny, deny, deny, and if I remember correctly, they even blamed the victims for drinking too much alcohol or taking drugs.  

 

Once again, we can't let any evidence of under filling tanks come to light.  Deny, deny, deny.    Thai tourism industry profits above all.  

 

On 1/18/2025 at 2:15 AM, KhunLA said:

Nothing new revealed in this CB thread, except how ignorant people are of the diving sport & industry.

Or, perhaps how naive you are about MONEY NUMBER ONE, and life number two.