51 Security Clearances Revoked?

theblether · January 21

We all know about the infamous 51 former "intelligence" officials who signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax. Now Trump has said he's going to revoke all their security clearances.

I say - deserved - but with a proviso. Every single one should be brought before Congress to demonstrate evidence supporting their signature. Virtually none will be able to do so. Then revoke.

Make it clear that these mass signings will be taken seriously and will have consequences.

There is a downside, though. The whole point of these security clearances is to create a council of wise and experienced people. It does not help the USA if they chose to be unwise - and to undermine elections through partisan hatred.

So, yes - revoke. But it won't be without consequence.

theblether · January 21

It reminds me of the 18 security agencies that signed a letter saying that Russia interfered with the 2016 election. One of them was the coastguard.

How the h*ll did the coastguard know? Did they intercept a dolphin with a box of ballot papers strapped to its back?

It's time for these security agencies and officials to go back into their box. Interfering with democracy as they did should be radioactive and career ending.

SunnyinBangrak · January 21

53 minutes ago, theblether said:

We all know about the infamous 51 former "intelligence" officials who signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax. Now Trump has said he's going to revoke all their security clearances.

I say - deserved - but with a proviso. Every single one should be brought before Congress to demonstrate evidence supporting their signature. Virtually none will be able to do so. Then revoke.

Make it clear that these mass signings will be taken seriously and will have consequences.

There is a downside, though. The whole point of these security clearances is to create a council of wise and experienced people. It does not help the USA if they chose to be unwise - and to undermine elections through partisan hatred.

So, yes - revoke. But it won't be without consequence.

There was no evidence. The letter was written by Michael Morell and Anthony Blinken to interfere with the 2020 election by intentionally misinforming low IQ voters.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/07/ex-cia-chief-michael-morell-misled-signers-of-hunter-biden-spy-letter-by-saying-hed-clear-it-with-agency?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

Btw, the same misinformed low IQ voters that still to this day are forced to deny Hunters laptop as its content shreds every single narrative/mantra they repeat endlessly.

theblether · January 21

19 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

There was no evidence. The letter was written by Michael Morell and Anthony Blinken to interfere with the 2020 election by intentionally misinforming low IQ voters.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/07/ex-cia-chief-michael-morell-misled-signers-of-hunter-biden-spy-letter-by-saying-hed-clear-it-with-agency?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

Btw, the same misinformed low IQ voters that still to this day are forced to deny Hunters laptop as its content shreds every single narrative/mantra they repeat endlessly.

I agree that they are low IQ, and amusingly they are the same people that refer to MAGA as being "dumb".

They fall for every drivelesque trap in the book. Today they are running about screaming about hidden messages in dresses. It's unbelievable.

placeholder · January 21

4 hours ago, theblether said:

We all know about the infamous 51 former "intelligence" officials who signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax. Now Trump has said he's going to revoke all their security clearances.

I say - deserved - but with a proviso. Every single one should be brought before Congress to demonstrate evidence supporting their signature. Virtually none will be able to do so. Then revoke.

Make it clear that these mass signings will be taken seriously and will have consequences.

There is a downside, though. The whole point of these security clearances is to create a council of wise and experienced people. It does not help the USA if they chose to be unwise - and to undermine elections through partisan hatred.

So, yes - revoke. But it won't be without consequence.

You may know that these officials "signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax." But those of us with a connection to reality know differently. This is from their statement:

"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

SunnyinBangrak · January 21

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

You may know that these officials "signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax." But those of us with a connection to reality know differently. This is from their statement:

"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

FBI verified the laptop as genuine back in 2019. You know this. Next....

placeholder · January 21

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

FBI verified the laptop as genuine back in 2019. You know this. Next....

That's what a couple of IRS agents claimed. So they knew about it but William Barr, the Attorney General, didn't? The man who lied about the Mueller report and got castigated by a Federal judge for that, didn't know about? Or, if he did suppressed it?

SunnyinBangrak · January 21

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's what a couple of IRS agents claimed. So they knew about it but William Barr, the Attorney General, didn't? The man who lied about the Mueller report and got castigated by a Federal judge for that, didn't know about? Or, if he did suppressed it?

The sheer quantity of material on the laptop. Im sorry, but anybody with the ability to think knew it was oh so real. Of course, having proof boy wonder was deeply corrupt after the clowns impeached Trump for suggesting it, well. The rest is history.

theblether · January 21

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You may know that these officials "signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax." But those of us with a connection to reality know differently. This is from their statement:

"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

When you don't know you don't comment.

And they knew the laptop was real.

By the way, some were being paid as CIA intelligence contractors. They were receiving Federal funds and interfering in elections.

Bit dodgy that, eh?

theblether · January 21

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's what a couple of IRS agents claimed. So they knew about it but William Barr, the Attorney General, didn't? The man who lied about the Mueller report and got castigated by a Federal judge for that, didn't know about? Or, if he did suppressed it?

The FBI testified during Hunter's firearms conviction trial that they knew the laptop was real.

Just give it a rest.

ChaiyaTH · January 21

17 minutes ago, theblether said:

The FBI testified during Hunter's firearms conviction trial that they knew the laptop was real.

Just give it a rest.

So much obvious evidence against him hence he got a pardon.

placeholder · January 21

31 minutes ago, theblether said:

The FBI testified during Hunter's firearms conviction trial that they knew the laptop was real.

Just give it a rest.

They didn't say when they knew it was real. More relevantly, no one has shown that these 51 ex intelligence persons knew anything about the FBI's alleged verification in 2019.

GammaGlobulin · January 21

5 hours ago, theblether said:

It reminds me of the 18 security agencies that signed a letter saying that Russia interfered with the 2016 election.

How exceptionally...."odd", because it reminds me much more of.......

From Russia....

With Love.

Bond had that All-Too-Coveted ....

Top Security Clearance which ...

Shouted to all.....

I am somebody.

I have the power.

Most of all.....

I am privy to the secrets that you only wish you knew.

Little men with even littler lives.

And, so sorry to say:

These are the types most likely to BLOW-UP the world with a nuke...

Or, even worse!

Grandiose guys, of which there are a plethora in the upper echelons of the military.

placeholder · January 21

36 minutes ago, theblether said:

When you don't know you don't comment.

And they knew the laptop was real.

By the way, some were being paid as CIA intelligence contractors. They were receiving Federal funds and interfering in elections.

Bit dodgy that, eh?

The 51 knew it was real? You got evidence to support that claim? Yet somehow William Barr didn't know about it? Or knew about it but said nothing?

You've already claimed that they asserted it was a hoax. I've shown that to be false.

placeholder · January 21

19 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

So much obvious evidence against him hence he got a pardon.

This is unusual in cases where pardon is granted?

GammaGlobulin · January 21

42 minutes ago, theblether said:

The FBI testified during Hunter's firearms conviction trial that they knew the laptop was real.

Just give it a rest.

Sorry..because...

There just Ain't No Rest for the Wicked...

As we know.

And, as has been sung, thusly:

theblether · January 21

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

They didn't say when they knew it was real. More relevantly, no one has shown that these 51 ex intelligence persons knew anything about the FBI's alleged verification in 2019.

Straw grasping drivel. The FBI had possession of the laptop 11 months before this letter was written and you'll be disappointed to hear they had a signature by Hunter Biden provided by the shopkeeper and verified.

You'll also be disappointed to hear the laptop was bizarrely seized by court warrant. Do you know why that was bizarre?

I'll leave you with that homework. By the way, you'll discover why the pardon was backdated to Jan 1, 2014 when you do that homework.

This is all a matter of court record, warrant and testimony under oath starting from Aug 30th 2019.

You are beclowning yourself. The FBI testified, the jury convicted, Hunter pled guilty before the next trial, and Joe pardoned.

And here's you, a worthless troll barking at the wind. Get a life, cos this one you are living is sad. Terribly sad.

thaibeachlovers · January 22

11 hours ago, theblether said:

They fall for every drivelesque trap in the book. Today they are running about screaming about hidden messages in dresses. It's unbelievable.

I hadn't heard that one, but when they run about screaming that Trump must be a Nazi because Musk made a Nazi like gesture with his hand, I guess they will believe anything as long as it's anti Trump.

HappyExpat57 · January 22

thaibeachlovers · January 22

57 minutes ago, theblether said:

And here's you, a worthless troll barking at the wind. Get a life, cos this one you are living is sad. Terribly sad.

There is a lot of that going around. We live in sad days that ONE man can reduce so many to believers in nonsense.

Hawaiian · January 22

9 hours ago, theblether said:

When you don't know you don't comment.

And they knew the laptop was real.

By the way, some were being paid as CIA intelligence contractors. They were receiving Federal funds and interfering in elections.

Bit dodgy that, eh?

Losing their clearances means they are no longer valuable for such jobs. What goes around, comes around.

theblether · January 22

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hadn't heard that one, but when they run about screaming that Trump must be a Nazi because Musk made a Nazi like gesture with his hand, I guess they will believe anything as long as it's anti Trump.

It's utterly ridiculous to the point where you have to question the mental health of these people who are still arguing about the Hunter Biden laptop. So for the purpose of the sane members of the forum - three straight facts.

1. The reason why the pardon was backdated to Jan 1, 2014 was to undo a court warrant that demanded Apple comply with providing all data from their devices owned by Hunter.

Full stop.

2. The reason why it was bizarre that the FBI got a court warrant to seize Hunter's laptop? The shopkeeper had continually offered to hand it over voluntarily and was rebuffed. All the FBI had to do was walk in and pick it up.

Full stop.

3. The reason why Biden's family members were pardoned on Monday is that they received the dirty money. This has been tracked already and is a matter of court record. Joe couldn't afford the named members to have their communications subpoenaed as it would have uncovered the whole rotten scheme.

Full stop.

And still, we have trolls arguing about what is a matter of FBI, court, Congressional and White House record.

Utterly shocking and abysmal denial of blatant truths.

Full stop.

placeholder · January 22

11 hours ago, theblether said:

Straw grasping drivel. The FBI had possession of the laptop 11 months before this letter was written and you'll be disappointed to hear they had a signature by Hunter Biden provided by the shopkeeper and verified.

You'll also be disappointed to hear the laptop was bizarrely seized by court warrant. Do you know why that was bizarre?

I'll leave you with that homework. By the way, you'll discover why the pardon was backdated to Jan 1, 2014 when you do that homework.

This is all a matter of court record, warrant and testimony under oath starting from Aug 30th 2019.

You are beclowning yourself. The FBI testified, the jury convicted, Hunter pled guilty before the next trial, and Joe pardoned.

And here's you, a worthless troll barking at the wind. Get a life, cos this one you are living is sad. Terribly sad.

Once again, you fail to miss the point. You're blaming the 51 for their open letter because the FBI had reportedly confirmed the fact that the laptop was Hunter Biden's. But that isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not any of the 51 knew about that confirmation. Clearly it was kept under tight wraps. Why should they have known about it? And you still don't seem to understand that there's a difference between raising a question, as the 51 did, and making a false assertion. And given your proclivity for making false assertions, I'm not surprised you don't don't acknowledge this.

theblether · January 22

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Once again, you fail to miss the point. You're blaming the 51 for their open letter because the FBI had reportedly confirmed the fact that the laptop was Hunter Biden's. But that isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not any of the 51 knew about that confirmation. Clearly it was kept under tight wraps. Why should they have known about it? And you still don't seem to understand that there's a difference between raising a question, as the 51 did, and making a false assertion. And given your proclivity for making false assertions, I'm not surprised you don't don't acknowledge this.

I miss no point, You are making a fool of yourself.

Dan O · January 22

On 1/21/2025 at 5:59 PM, theblether said:

We all know about the infamous 51 former "intelligence" officials who signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax. Now Trump has said he's going to revoke all their security clearances.

I say - deserved - but with a proviso. Every single one should be brought before Congress to demonstrate evidence supporting their signature. Virtually none will be able to do so. Then revoke.

Make it clear that these mass signings will be taken seriously and will have consequences.

There is a downside, though. The whole point of these security clearances is to create a council of wise and experienced people. It does not help the USA if they chose to be unwise - and to undermine elections through partisan hatred.

So, yes - revoke. But it won't be without consequence.

Your actually describing trumps actions after his loss in the last election and now his unbridled hatred and vindictive nature towards all that opposed or disagreed with him.

Hawaiian · January 22

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Once again, you fail to miss the point. You're blaming the 51 for their open letter because the FBI had reportedly confirmed the fact that the laptop was Hunter Biden's. But that isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not any of the 51 knew about that confirmation. Clearly it was kept under tight wraps. Why should they have known about it? And you still don't seem to understand that there's a difference between raising a question, as the 51 did, and making a false assertion. And given your proclivity for making false assertions, I'm not surprised you don't don't acknowledge this.

You seemed to be the only one concerned about whether he missed the point or not. The fact is these former intelligence officials showed an extreme lack of judgement. They made fools of themselves and anyone who defends their decision is a fool, too. Has any one of them come out an apologized for their damning letter?

Will B Good · January 22

12 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Thought SCOTUS sanctioned immunity for presidents in preparation for the horrors to come.

GammaGlobulin · January 22

13 hours ago, theblether said:

And here's you, a worthless troll barking at the wind. Get a life, cos this one you are living is sad.

How would you know, if you walk only in your shoes, and not in his?

Sad? Just a matter of degree, since we are all living a sad life, relative to the happier life we have only heard about, but never have seen.

Or, are you the ONE who is living the happy life?

If so, for how much longer?

If you happy life is limited in length, then can it actually be as happy as you might imagine?

Or, had you never considered such existential sorrows.....

A SAD life, indeed, and would you not agree?

Hawaiian · January 22

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

How would you know, if you walk only in your shoes, and not in his?

Sad? Just a matter of degree, since we are all living a sad life, relative to the happier life we have only heard about, but never have seen.

Or, are you the ONE who is living the happy life?

If so, for how much longer?

If you happy life is limited in length, then can it actually be as happy as you might imagine?

Or, had you never considered such existential sorrows.....

A SAD life, indeed, and would you not agree?

Words from a great philosopher.

frank83628 · January 22

On 1/21/2025 at 5:59 PM, theblether said:

We all know about the infamous 51 former "intelligence" officials who signed the letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian hoax. Now Trump has said he's going to revoke all their security clearances.

I say - deserved - but with a proviso. Every single one should be brought before Congress to demonstrate evidence supporting their signature. Virtually none will be able to do so. Then revoke.

Make it clear that these mass signings will be taken seriously and will have consequences.

There is a downside, though. The whole point of these security clearances is to create a council of wise and experienced people. It does not help the USA if they chose to be unwise - and to undermine elections through partisan hatred.

So, yes - revoke. But it won't be without consequence.

They should also be charged in some way with election interference. In fact many should be.

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