China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ Breakthrough Brings Humanity Closer to Limitless Clean Energy

[Cryingdick]

5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

The critical aspect of a torus is the control of fluctuating magnet fields, which are required to "hold" the plasma, but also interact with the plasma. It might be the case that the computations required to managed this volatility can be handled by Willow.....we shall see!!!

Willow isn't the bottleneck, the human brain is. 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

Willow isn't the bottleneck, the human brain is. 

 

Not mine I'll have you know!!!

[SpaceKadet]

No matter what they say, it's still 30 years away from commercial application. And it will stay like that for the next 100-200 years. 

[Patong2021]

14 hours ago, nauseus said:

Extremely impressive, if true. It would be great if China could share something for the benefit of all.

 

So basically, the Chinese have copied what the USA and EU have already achieved. Both have already shared their technology and their results. China never shares its technology because it is typically stolen or copied from the west.

 

The ITER project in Cadarache achieved a more significant  event in 2021 when a new fusion energy world record of 59 MJ was achieved in JET in a 5 second long pulse, while burning only 170 micrograms of deuterium and tritium. The key is to produce more energy than is needed to initiate and support the reaction. The Chinese have not accomplished that.

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[bradiston]

10 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

You didn't google W7-X. 

A bit work you can do for yourself. I am not your nanny🤣

Yes, I did. Nothing new there.

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

Yes, I did. Nothing new there.

New enough to show that China is not the only one country working on it.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

The US oil lobby is not going to like this.

They'll probably buy the rights and make even more money.

[thaibeachlovers]

If they spent the same amount of money on hydrogen, that would be the cheap energy we need by now. It's proven technology- just needs a cheaper way to produce it.

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

New enough to show that China is not the only one country working on it.

That's not news

[newbee2022]

4 minutes ago, bradiston said:

That's not news

Well, but it was told yesterday. But sure, today is another day. So you're right🤣

[Ben Zioner]

Yep. definitely no future for EVs. 

 

Drill, Drill, Drill...

 

[Ben Zioner]

The contribution of Chine to the earth environmental needs is absolutely HUGE: strict birth control, EVs, transition to renewable, and now progress on fusion.

[Yagoda]

If its Chinese, its fake.

 

1 minute ago, Ben Zioner said:

The contribution of Chine to the earth environmental needs is absolutely HUGE: strict birth control, EVs, transition to renewable, and now progress on fusion.

Earning your paycheck?

[Moonlover]

On 1/24/2025 at 8:19 AM, nauseus said:

Extremely impressive, if true. It would be great if China could share something for the benefit of all.

 

21 hours ago, oustaristocrats said:

 

That latter will not happen for sure 🤣

 

ASEAN NOW negativity shining as brightly as ever.

 

On 1/24/2025 at 3:07 AM, Social Media said:

EAST’s success not only pushes the boundaries of what is technically possible but also fosters collaboration in the international scientific community. “We hope to expand international collaboration via EAST and bring fusion energy into practical use for humanity,” Song said, expressing optimism about the global impact of this achievement.  

 

[Moonlover]

18 hours ago, WDSmart said:

There is no such thing as "clean energy." All technology used to harvest energy (not "create") and then transform it into a form usable by humans results in pollution (materials and energy that are discarded or unusable). 

AI's response to that is:

 

'Yes, while minimal compared to fission, fusion energy production would still generate some waste material, primarily in the form of activated components within the reactor due to neutron bombardment, which are considered low-level radioactive waste and pose a significantly lower risk than the high-level waste produced by fission reactors; the primary by product of a fusion reaction is helium, an inert gas, making fusion considered a very clean energy source overall'.

 

Any improvement in the levels of pollution has to be welcome.

[newbee2022]

19 hours ago, WDSmart said:

There is no such thing as "clean energy." All technology used to harvest energy (not "create") and then transform it into a form usable by humans results in pollution (materials and energy that are discarded or unusable). 

There are lately found massive resources of hydrogen under US soil. Will last for more than 100 years. No need for drilling oil at all.👍

[gearbox]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So basically, the Chinese have copied what the USA and EU have already achieved. Both have already shared their technology and their results. China never shares its technology because it is typically stolen or copied from the west.

 

The ITER project in Cadarache achieved a more significant  event in 2021 when a new fusion energy world record of 59 MJ was achieved in JET in a 5 second long pulse, while burning only 170 micrograms of deuterium and tritium. The key is to produce more energy than is needed to initiate and support the reaction. The Chinese have not accomplished that.

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There was a lot of sharing and copying already, the world "tokamak" is of Russian origin, tokamak was invented in the former USSR.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

There are lately found massive resources of hydrogen under US soil. Will last for more than 100 years. No need for drilling oil at all.👍

 

Cannot see hydrogen....as much as it is hyped....... being a real contender as a major future energy source.

 

Horrendous difficulties storing, transporting, delivering .

[CygnusX1]

On 1/24/2025 at 3:07 AM, Social Media said:

EAST’s recent accomplishment is particularly impressive. It operated at a staggering temperature of 108 million degrees Celsius for 17 minutes and 46 seconds, coming tantalizingly close to the conditions required for sustained nuclear fusion.

That’s far hotter than even the Sun’s core, but the Sun has the advantage of immense pressure.

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Cannot see hydrogen....as much as it is hyped....... being a real contender as a major future energy source.

 

Horrendous difficulties storing, transporting, delivering .

I don't agree. You don't need to transport or deliver over long distance. Use it where it is. There is energy to produce electricity for centuries.

[WDSmart]

19 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Other than 'green' energy sources wind, wave, etc..... fusion will give rise to very little in the way of pollution compared to fission, coal, oil and gas.

 

If it works it will be a deal breaker for mankind.

All the energy sources you list above are not "green" (not harmful to the environment). They all produce more pollution than usable energy. Fusion is less polluting than fission, but it still produces nuclear waste.

[WDSmart]

4 hours ago, Moonlover said:

AI's response to that is:

 

'Yes, while minimal compared to fission, fusion energy production would still generate some waste material, primarily in the form of activated components within the reactor due to neutron bombardment, which are considered low-level radioactive waste and pose a significantly lower risk than the high-level waste produced by fission reactors; the primary by product of a fusion reaction is helium, an inert gas, making fusion considered a very clean energy source overall'.

 

Any improvement in the levels of pollution has to be welcome.

I agree, but it is still produces pollution and is a danger to the environment - as are all human technologies. 

[newbee2022]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

All the energy sources you list above are not "green" (not harmful to the environment). They all produce more pollution than usable energy. Fusion is less polluting than fission, but it still produces nuclear waste.

What pollution is created by burning hydrogen ?😳

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

What pollution is created by burning hydrogen ?😳

Heat

[newbee2022]

Just now, WDSmart said:

Heat

No, you can use it even for fridges, power plants, car and maritime engines and others

[WDSmart]

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

No, you can use it even for fridges, power plants, car and maritime engines and others

"Fridges, power plants, car and maritime engines" all pollute. Heat is one of the main types of pollution. 

[Moonlover]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I agree, but it is still produces pollution and is a danger to the environment - as are all human technologies. 

Just how far back do you wish humankind to to regress?

 

13 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

All the energy sources you list above are not "green" (not harmful to the environment). They all produce more pollution than usable energy. Fusion is less polluting than fission, but it still produces nuclear waste.

Once again you are misinformed. (or guessing)

 

 'Fusion on the other hand does not create any long-lived radioactive nuclear waste. A fusion reactor produces helium, which is an inert gas'. 

 

https://www.iaea.org/topics/energy/fusion/faqs#:~:text=Fusion on the other hand,its half life is short.

[newbee2022]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

"Fridges, power plants, car and maritime engines" all pollute. Heat is one of the main types of pollution. 

Mainly it's the dust. Check the pics of BKK of today.

[newbee2022]

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

"Fridges, power plants, car and maritime engines" all pollute. Heat is one of the main types of pollution. 

Dust and (black) smoke

[WDSmart]

16 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Just how far back do you wish humankind to to regress?

 

Once again you are misinformed. (or guessing)

 

 'Fusion on the other hand does not create any long-lived radioactive nuclear waste. A fusion reactor produces helium, which is an inert gas'. 

 

https://www.iaea.org/topics/energy/fusion/faqs#:~:text=Fusion on the other hand,its half life is short.

Humankind should either learn to live both socially environmentally compatible on this planet, or go extinct. As I've said earlier, we are "over the cliff" on this, so we (humans) will eventually go extinct - hopefully before we can begin polluting other planets. 

Fusion does create radioactive nuclear waste. Yes, it's not as bac as fission, but is still exists. Heat is the main pollutant. Helium may not be dangerous to the Earth's environment, but heat is.