Russian Father Throws Son from Speedboat Near Surin Islands, Leading to Fatality

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

It's possible that the sea conditions were like glass, and the shore apparently only a short swim away.

Maybe they were hot, with the sun beating down fiercely, and they just wanted to cool off.

 

It's easy to second-guess others when one is not there, having fun, enjoying the day.

Obviously it was not planned.

 

This is life.

 

 

As it stands he is charged with murder.

Let them do an investigation particularly about the situation that was going on in the family, his past criminal history if any, etc. Don't jump to conclusions either way.

[atpeace]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I feel much worse for his dead son.

I'm sorry but he's guilty of something in this even if it was just horseplay.

If it ends up being horseplay as you stated, there will be consequences.  The biggest consequence is that he lost his son.  

[Jingthing]

Just now, atpeace said:

If it ends up being horseplay as you stated, there will be consequences.  The biggest consequence is that he lost his son.  

That's true and also the guilt he will have to live with about that for the rest of his life.

But get real. There was a running motor. Horseplay or not, it was negligent. Surely there must be a law in Thailand about negligence that leads to death. 

[atpeace]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's true and also the guilt he will have to live with about that for the rest of his life.

But get real. There was a running motor. Horseplay or not, it was negligent. Surely there must be a law in Thailand about negligence that leads to death. 

I'm sure there is and I assume you want the harshest penalty possible.  I know only a few of the details in this tragedy and tend to see the best in people.  

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

.... I think this is a terrible and perhaps even completely uncharacteristic tragic a lapse in thought by a father who was 'messing about playing rough with his son'.....     

 

maybe you didn’t read the OP?

13 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

While the crew managed to rescue the boy, Mr. Bugorskiy refused all offers of help and declined to reboard the boat.

 

 

Maybe you don't understand human nature... 

 

If I'd been messing around and threw my son in the sea, then follow him in only to realise the tragic and fatal mistake I'd just made... I'm not sure I'd want to get back in a boat again, I'd rather die by any means possible rather than live with the never disappearing memory that I'd accidentally killed my son... 

 

Perhaps you are more thick skinned malcy... after all, you drink drive and already have a terribly low regard for the human life around you.

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

Just now, atpeace said:

I'm sure there is and I assume you want the harshest penalty possible.  I know only a few of the details in this tragedy and tend to see the best in people.  

I want justice for the boy.

I also want them to investigate the back story which could possibly lead to dark intentions.

I certainly don't want him convicted of murder if there isn't sufficient evidence of that.

[Will B Good]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Was he playing around by throwing the boy over the side near the islands shore line only 200 meters away or was it an intentional act of violence ? 

 

I wondered the same...plus a half bottle of vodka thrown in for good measure.

[atpeace]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I want justice for the boy.

I also want them to investigate the back story which could possibly lead to dark intentions.

I certainly don't want him convicted of murder if there isn't sufficient evidence of that.

I'm cool with that.  Hope it was just a bad decision and he somehow recovers from it.

[BangkokReady]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I cant see any scenario, any at all, whereby a father (or anyone) throws a child overboard to deliberately injure, maim, and murder them particularly when there are numerous onlookers.... 

 

...   to me, this appears so clearly to an example of 'high spirits and playfulness gone tragically wrong'.....

 

It seems unlikely that the father would have known that the child would go under the boat and be injured by the propeller.  You would have to have advance boating knowledge to know that and to deliberately throw the boy in a way that would likely cause his death.

 

It's not unreasonable to suspect that he viewed throwing the boy off the boat as something rather harmless (whether for fun or to punish him), not dissimilar to throwing him into a pool, and intended to save him when he jumped in.

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I cant see any scenario, any at all, whereby a father (or anyone) throws a child overboard to deliberately injure, maim, and murder them particularly when there are numerous onlookers.... 

 

...   to me, this appears so clearly to an example of 'high spirits and playfulness gone tragically wrong'.....

 

It seems unlikely that the father would have known that the child would go under the boat and be injured by the propeller.  You would have to have advance boating knowledge to know that and to deliberately throw the boy in a way that would likely cause his death.

 

It's not unreasonable to suspect that he viewed throwing the boy off the boat as something rather harmless (whether for fun or to punish him), not dissimilar to throwing him into a pool, and intended to save him when he jumped in.

 

100%....    Those stating otherwise have some unhinged, distorted wholly foocked up mentalty that perhaps alludes more to their own very unhealthy upbringing than anything else....  and beyond that... just a very very strange outlook at the world around them..... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[papa al]

prolly hitting that high-test refer.

[Jingthing]

The victim at least deserves the courtesy of a thorough investigation.

He didn't ask to be thrown in that water.

The Thai authorities consider the case serious enough to initially charge him with murder.

It's totally obnoxious to jump to ANY final conclusions before investigation. 

[bokningar]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Wrong - you just want to create a pathetic argument because thats what you do.

 

Eyewitnesses stated: 

 

Perhaps you are too much of an old fart and too weak to play around with your kids... 

But... picking up a kid and throwing him in a pool or overboard in this manner is not an abnormal act by any stretch of the imagination....   

A tragic mistake was made because the Russian really didn't think through the risk of his actions when doing so on a moving boat.

 

 

OK - you see the worst in people, rephrase, you see the worst in anyone who isn't Thai.

Had this been a Thai person you would be claiming it was a tragic mistake by a playful father who horrifically miscalculated his actions. 

 

And again, you dumb down and over simplify the report to suit your 'anti-foreigner' agenda - He (the foreign father) was charged with Murder so that a bail could be denied due to the potential flight risk....   You were not intelligent enough to understand that aspect either.

 

As usual - you cherry pick your points to suit your anti-foreigner rhetoric which is always complete and utter rubbish... 

 

 

 

 

Russian apologist much ?

Sick society's crate sick people.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, bokningar said:

Russian apologist much ?

Sick society's crate sick people.

 

 

Oh dear.....   you think the father deliberately threw his son under the props of the boat to murder him... and you think this because you believe 'Russia to be a sick society' and sick societies 'create' sick people.....       hmmm...

 

... no bigotry, bias, produced, or out right idiocy in your your implication there, none whatsoever, right ????

 

 

 

 

[bokningar]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

deliberately threw

So you would threw you son of a boat running? It has to be a deliberate attempt to kill him to be a sick action?

Glad I'm not your kid.

[Will B Good]

Just now, bokningar said:

So you would threw you son of a boat running? It has to be a deliberate attempt to kill him to be a sick action?

Glad I'm not your kid.

 

Not totally convinced.....bit of rough and tumble....few vodkas combined with arrogance and stupidity.....

 

It seems odd he jumped in after him and refused to get back into the boat? Maybe realised what he had done and was mortified.

 

Having said that if it was done in malice......happy for him to see the inside of a jail for life.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, bokningar said:

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

deliberately threw

So you would threw you son of a boat running? It has to be a deliberate attempt to kill him to be a sick action?

Glad I'm not your kid.

 

I've thrown my Son into water numerous times... too many to remember... 

I've thrown him down the side of a snowy mountain at a ski resort, we've hit 80kmh on a black double diamond.... I've kicked him out of kayaks in rapids and he's done the same to me... 

I've encouraged him to go over way bigger jumps than he was confident to go over on his bike...

I've tricked him into eating lemons and spicy food....   I've allowed him to 'let his alarm go off and get ready for school' only then to remind him that its a Saturday....   I've encouraged him into 'deep surf' when we were trying to surf together...  We've been tied to a rock face together with a long fall below us... climbing then abseiling... 

 

I've done loads of stuff that that a sanctimonious bumclencher such as yourself may find terrible parenting...    

 

Though, I'm sure it will disappoint you to know that I've not thrown him of a moving speedboat....   though he's been thrown out of numerous stationary boats !!! 

 

 

"Glad you are not my kid ???"....  believe me, if you were ever interesting enough to meet someone who'd want to have kids with you... Your kids would want to be mine !!!!  

 

 

 

So many of you are trying to turn this into something it is not - its a tragic tale of a father making a horrific error in judgment when messing about with his son... 

 

 

 

A number of years ago we had family visiting - we'd all hired a speed boat (off Koh Chang) and went snorkelling... 

The boat pilot wanted to leave the engine running and said the prop was not moving - I didn't care, I wanted the engine killed, then I had 100% assurance that there was no prop movement....   No biggie, but I understand some / many simply don't think about this stuff....   not everything thinks of all risks and eventualities....   but some are so scared of their own shadow their kids would grow up in a void of boredom. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

17 minutes ago, bokningar said:

33 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

deliberately threw

So you would threw you son of a boat running? It has to be a deliberate attempt to kill him to be a sick action?

Glad I'm not your kid.

 

I'm not sure if its language or your misinterpretation, but you've misquoted me, seemingly in an attempt to point score - not a particularly intelligent tactic... 

 

 

 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Maybe he didn't know that anyone was watching when he pushed his son overboard.

I do think he has a defense to claim he was playing a fun game by doing that, but even if not ruled murder, surely he should be convicted of some lesser charge than that.

A pure "accident" would have been accidentally falling overboard, not being pushed.

A good lawyer should be able to get the charge down from murder unless there is other evidence uncovered pointing to dark intensions.

HE WASN'T "PUSHED" HE WAS PICKED UP AND THROWN.

[GammaGlobulin]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As it stands he is charged with murder.

Let them do an investigation particularly about the situation that was going on in the family, his past criminal history if any, etc. Don't jump to conclusions either way.

 

OK.

I will do my best to remain influenced ONLY by evidence-based considerations.

 

[Patong2021]

1st Question: Was there a  domestic quarrel with the boy's mother?

2nd Question: Was there a custody dispute?

3rd Question: Did the child have a behavioural issue or illness requiring care etc.?

4th Question: Does the father suffer from mental illness?

 

Looks more like a family dispute, resulting in murder/suicide, where the suicide fails. The instinct to survive can prevent a successful suicide. This scenario is unfortunately not uncommon.

[Nick Carter icp]

48 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

HE WASN'T "PUSHED" HE WAS PICKED UP AND THROWN.

 

   Why do you post in capital letters when its againt  forum rules to do so ?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

1st Question: Was there a  domestic quarrel with the boy's mother?

2nd Question: Was there a custody dispute?

3rd Question: Did the child have a behavioural issue or illness requiring care etc.?

4th Question: Does the father suffer from mental illness?

 

Looks more like a family dispute, resulting in murder/suicide, where the suicide fails. The instinct to survive can prevent a successful suicide. This scenario is unfortunately not uncommon.

I absolutely agree that if there is to be credible investigation, his background and what was happening with his family would be a vital part of the picture. Of course I have no idea if such a credible investigation will actually happen. He could be railroaded on the murder charge or he could be let off without at least considering there was a damning back story.

[NativeBob]

Captain Somboon didn't know the rule of "man over board"?
Didn't that maza**ker know that first and foremost thing to do is to kill an engine? 

It is almost guaranteed you'll make a minced meal for fishes if you don't kill m***f*** engine!

 

Obviously it came to his mind (with average latency of XX minutes) so he took blaming stance against that pity tourist. 

I've seen this "blaming game" many times, not only in TH but many other places. 

 

My point is the only person responsible for the bloody slaughter is the "captain Somboon". 

[Patong2021]

2 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

Captain Somboon didn't know the rule of "man over board"?
Didn't that maza**ker know that first and foremost thing to do is to kill an engine? 

It is almost guaranteed you'll make a minced meal for fishes if you don't kill m***f*** engine!

 

Obviously it came to his mind (with average latency of XX minutes) so he took blaming stance against that pity tourist. 

I've seen this "blaming game" many times, not only in TH but many other places. 

 

My point is the only person responsible for the bloody slaughter is the "captain Somboon". 

 

One should not be dead in the water if the sea conditions are not appropriate or if one is in a busy sea lane where an evasive action may be required.  Unless you know what the sea conditions were at the time, it is unfair to pass judgement. 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

Captain Somboon didn't know the rule of "man over board"?
Didn't that maza**ker know that first and foremost thing to do is to kill an engine? 

It is almost guaranteed you'll make a minced meal for fishes if you don't kill m***f*** engine!

 

 

   Like, could you use proper  words inseam of maza**ker and  m***f***?

   Mazacracker ?

[GammaGlobulin]

40 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Why do you post in capital letters when its againt  forum rules to do so ?

 

I only use CAPS for highlighting and emphasis in a very non-threatening way.

I suggest all do the same as I.

 

Using caps is far easier than using italics, or other =means= , such as this one.

 

For, example:  I really and TRULY love swimming with the fishes.

 

See?

 

 

 

 

[tjintx]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I've thrown my Son into water numerous times... too many to remember... 

I've thrown him down the side of a snowy mountain at a ski resort, we've hit 80kmh on a black double diamond.... I've kicked him out of kayaks in rapids and he's done the same to me... 

I've encouraged him to go over way bigger jumps than he was confident to go over on his bike...

I've tricked him into eating lemons and spicy food....   I've allowed him to 'let his alarm go off and get ready for school' only then to remind him that its a Saturday....   I've encouraged him into 'deep surf' when we were trying to surf together...  We've been tied to a rock face together with a long fall below us... climbing then abseiling... 

 

I've done loads of stuff that that a sanctimonious bumclencher such as yourself may find terrible parenting...    

 

Though, I'm sure it will disappoint you to know that I've not thrown him of a moving speedboat....   though he's been thrown out of numerous stationary boats !!! 

 

 

"Glad you are not my kid ???"....  believe me, if you were ever interesting enough to meet someone who'd want to have kids with you... Your kids would want to be mine !!!!  

 

 

 

So many of you are trying to turn this into something it is not - its a tragic tale of a father making a horrific error in judgment when messing about with his son... 

 

 

 

A number of years ago we had family visiting - we'd all hired a speed boat (off Koh Chang) and went snorkelling... 

The boat pilot wanted to leave the engine running and said the prop was not moving - I didn't care, I wanted the engine killed, then I had 100% assurance that there was no prop movement....   No biggie, but I understand some / many simply don't think about this stuff....   not everything thinks of all risks and eventualities....   but some are so scared of their own shadow their kids would grow up in a void of boredom. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Murderer!!!

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I only use CAPS for highlighting and emphasis in a very non-threatening way.

I suggest all do the same as I.

 

Using caps is far easier than using italics, or other =means= , such as this one.

 

For, example:  I really and TRULY love swimming with the fishes.

 

See?

 

  I was talking about ALL the letters in being Caps , not just certain words 

[GammaGlobulin]

Has anyone reported the AGE of the son?

Seem that this point is CRUCIAL to understanding of this tragedy.

 

If the son were under the age of 12, and a non-swimmer, then this would have been a dastardly deed.

 

However, if the son were a swimmer, and this kind of thing, as a matter of just fooling around, happened regularly, then...

 

This father already is completely devastated by this tragedy.

 

No need to punish the father further.