Is this new in 90 days report?

[Joseph98765]

I live Chiang mai and I spent 3 days in Tak. The hotel changed my residence address...from there all ok.

Last week I had to do my TM47 and I put my address of Chiang mai doing the TM47 online and was rejected, because the address they have was still Tak Hotel, then I told my landlord to put me again in the system (TM30) and when she did after few hours later I did my TM 47 again...and was rejected again, but this time they told me come to immigration in person...WT*

 

So when I went to immigration looks like every time you book a night in a hotel, your next TM47 you must to go in person to do it... or at least that's what the officer told me (and not very convincing because he had to ask someone about that). This rule is new in Chiang mai? because I've here for 10 years traveling and staying in hotels and I never had a problem to put my condo address after staying in a hotel 1 month before.

 

I know every time you leave the country, yes is mandatory to go in person to immigration for your next TM47.......but even staying in a hotel in Chiang mai for 1 night I have to go?? they have a convenient online system and I don't have to waste one day of my work vacations for this sh*t..

 

Did anyone has the same situation here??

[BrandonJT]

Impossible to say what the issue is. Often when they deny a TM47 they list a reason, did they not list one the 2nd time?

TM47 online generally works for people, until it doesn't.  You can ask when you go into the office why it was rejected, but it could be many reasons. Most common is typo in your address so it didn't EXACTLY match the TM30, but they may also see the time between your stay in Tak and your TM30 back home and know you didn't file within 24 hours. So they may want to have a chat with you about that, or just give you a hard time and make you go in person because of it.

[DrJack54]

OP, CM have always insisted on TM30 for even inter provience travel.

Even when rules were changed in June 2020.

If I lived in CM I would do zero TM30 and TM47 and cop annual fine. 

 

I just opt to do one TM30 prior to my annual extension (CW).

No simple solution for your situation.

 

Bit off topic: I'm always bashing TM47 and was interest in how my online report would go this time as no travel outside of Thailand and all out of provience since report in person we never need pp.

Anyway online report approved over night (CW). Still in shock.

 

[Joseph98765]

1 hour ago, BrandonJT said:

Impossible to say what the issue is. Often when they deny a TM47 they list a reason, did they not list one the 2nd time?

TM47 online generally works for people, until it doesn't.  You can ask when you go into the office why it was rejected, but it could be many reasons. Most common is typo in your address so it didn't EXACTLY match the TM30, but they may also see the time between your stay in Tak and your TM30 back home and know you didn't file within 24 hours. So they may want to have a chat with you about that, or just give you a hard time and make you go in person because of it.

They didn't list anything....come to the office immediately...

but yeah, once there...2 min was done...after a 2h queue...and one wasted day.

 

[Joseph98765]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, CM have always insisted on TM30 for even inter provience travel.

Even when rules were changed in June 2020.

If I lived in CM I would do zero TM30 and TM47 and cop annual fine. 

 

I just opt to do one TM30 prior to my annual extension (CW).

No simple solution for your situation.

 

Bit off topic: I'm always bashing TM47 and was interest in how my online report would go this time as no travel outside of Thailand and all out of provience since report in person we never need pp.

Anyway online report approved over night (CW). Still in shock.

 

Well, I want to keep my profile clean...no fines, just in case. 55555

[Caldera]

They've linked the TM30 and TM47 systems - and the result is a mess.

[DrJack54]

17 minutes ago, Caldera said:

They've linked the TM30 and TM47 systems - and the result is a mess.

I'm still in shock that I received overnight approval for my online 90 report this week (CW) 

The reason for success is that from my last in person report, I have not exited Thailand.

However what's the point.

Most likely will exit Thailand prior to next report and then when reenter what....do a report in person.

No Way.

As long as in person report is required after travel abroad then the system is a dud. 

[edwardflory]

Just about every office has a LOCAL POLICY on ALL the paperwork..period.

 

Many are especially strict on TM-30's as mine is - the TM - 47 is a conformation of the TM-30.

 

Since I live 10 minutes from my IO, psperwork is no problem for me since my daily trip to 7-11 is basically "on the way" - 1 block, 1 soi away.  Usually 5 to 10 minutes at either TM office and done - IF going on a Wednesday after 13:30.

[SooKee]

17 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm still in shock that I received overnight approval for my online 90 report this week (CW) 

The reason for success is that from my last in person report, I have not exited Thailand.

However what's the point.

Most likely will exit Thailand prior to next report and then when reenter what....do a report in person.

No Way.

As long as in person report is required after travel abroad then the system is a dud. 

 

Indeed.  Still waiting for any reply to my postal application that was sent to Chaeng Wattana on 21 December following my online application being rejected (first report after re-entering Thailand needs to be in person so the rejection email said).  Only 25 January so there's still time.  I will go to renew my extension on 7 February.  If it comes back approved before then, fine.  If it comes back rejected, so be it.  If there's still no reply by 7 February I'll just take my EMS receipt for the postal application and see if that saves a fine.  No way will I go to CW just for a 90 day though unless I have something else to do there, appointment or not.

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, SooKee said:

No way will I go to CW just for a 90 day though unless I have something else to do there, appointment or not.

That's my thinking also.

Going back to last Nov 5 I made appointment for extension (CW) and aso appointment for TM47.

Tip: do the extension first followed by the 90 report.

I check appointments for extension yesterday and there was nothing available Jan or Feb.

Don't know what's going on 

[SooKee]

48 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

That's my thinking also.

Going back to last Nov 5 I made appointment for extension (CW) and aso appointment for TM47.

Tip: do the extension first followed by the 90 report.

I check appointments for extension yesterday and there was nothing available Jan or Feb.

Don't know what's going on 

 

Hmmm.  I've got two appointments booked but the 90 day is the first one.  I thought they may see no recent 90 Day in the passport and hit me there and then with a fine (unless the extension crew don't get involved with the 90 Day side?  The main reason I did the 90 day appointment first is that I can plan the timing for that better.  90 day at 09:20, extension at 10:00.  The passport can take some time to come back otherwise (just twigged as I type this, maybe they don't want the passport for the 90 day?).

 

From what I've seen, having juggled multiple appointments, the extension appointments are literally released on a daily basis, 1 month before and only 5 a day.  90 day I found had much more availability but they all go fast.

[BKKKevin]

I’ve had the exact same problem as the OP… Rejected because a TM30 was filed by a hotel I spent a weekend in Ayutthaya… We travel a lot… basically weekend getaways at least once a month…

I’ve given up on the online system… Luckily here in Chiang Mail there is a drive thru 90 day reporting lane at the Main immigration office near the airport they accept it without question… Takes a minute or two waiting if there is someone ahead of me… Then right before I hand over my paperwork to Assist Thai Visa to do my annual extension I have my condo file a TM30 to reset it back to my home address…

[DrJack54]

On 1/25/2025 at 7:58 AM, SooKee said:

 I thought they may see no recent 90 Day in the passport and hit me there and then with a fine (unless the extension crew don't get involved with the 90 Day side?  The main reason I did the 90 day appointment first is that I can plan the timing for that better.  90 day at 09:20, extension at 10:00

You wouldn't believe it. That's exactly what I did and even the times were the same.

Don't worry all good.

I attended 90 report first.

She was pointing out that my permission of stay only had 3 days remaining and to go and do the extension first. (retirement) 

After I did the extension I went straight back to the same io.

She remembered me and no issue she just issued the 47 receipt.

 

BTW. If you haven't done the report using appointment here's the drill.

 

Go to Que counter the end far right side.

The clerk will want to see hard copy of appointment and filled in TM47 application.

She then via phone talks to one of the two "appointment desks" io.

All very smooth. 

 

[TigerandDog]

22 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, CM have always insisted on TM30 for even inter provience travel.

Even when rules were changed in June 2020.

If I lived in CM I would do zero TM30 and TM47 and cop annual fine. 

 

I just opt to do one TM30 prior to my annual extension (CW).

No simple solution for your situation.

 

Bit off topic: I'm always bashing TM47 and was interest in how my online report would go this time as no travel outside of Thailand and all out of provience since report in person we never need pp.

Anyway online report approved over night (CW). Still in shock.

 

I don't agree with your first sentence DrJack.

I've lived in CM since 2016 and travel inter province every month and have my passport copied at the relevant hotel I stay at, and I have NEVER been asked to submit a new TM30 upon return to my permanent address so that a TM47 can be accepted. The ONLY time I've had to do that was last year when I returned from a holiday in Vietnam.

For the most part the information you give in this forum is accurate, but unfortunately, on occasion, you do make inaccurate comments when it comes to CM Immigration. such as the one in your comment above.

[SooKee]

27 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You wouldn't believe it. That's exactly what I did and even the times were the same.

Don't worry all good.

I attended 90 report first.

She was pointing out that my permission of stay only had 3 days remaining and to go and do the extension first. (retirement) 

After I did the extension I went straight back to the same io.

She remembered me and no issue she just issued the 47 receipt.

 

BTW. If you haven't don't the report using appointment here's the drill.

Go to Que counter the end far right side.

The clerk will want to see hard copy of appointment and filled in TM47 application.

She then via phone talks to one of the two "appointment desks" io.

All very smooth. 

 

 

Ah right.  I'll keep my appointments as is then, I will be a month early for my Extension.  Thanks for the update re the 90 day queue.  IIRC last time I had to do a 90 day in person was at MTT, what a saga that was!

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

I've lived in CM since 2016 and travel inter province every month and have my passport copied at the relevant hotel I stay at, and I have NEVER been asked to submit a new TM30 upon return........(snip) 

 

You in thread some time back posted

 

......"The last TM30 I submitted was in 2016 when I moved to CM. I never use my passport when checking into hotels in Thailand. Always use my pink ID card or driver's license" 

 

So you state that you use passport for check in and previously state "I never use my passport" 

 

In any event I single out CM as when changes were made to TM30 rules in June 2020 they ignored that change.

Granted we are now seeing requirement to report in person after travel abroad.

This is because they wanted to sync online reporting with TM30.

It will never work. 

[CMBob]

My comment relates to Chiangmai Immigration only.  The rejection of an online TM47 filing because a hotel (or whatever) files the usual TM30 for you is apparently hit-or-miss.  I've been rejected here twice for that reason and other similar times my online TM47 filing has sailed through.  And on both occasions I was rejected for this reason, I filed the TM47 via the drive-up window using the form they email back to you when attempting the TM47 online filing and nothing was said about the "TM30 change of address."  Go figure.

 

(Dr. Jack, not sure why you mentioned using the pink ID card or driver's license when checking into a hotel.  I don't know about the pink ID card but the driver's license has one's passport number on it so I'm unclear why using that would hamper the hotel in filing the usual TM30)

[statman78]

1 hour ago, CMBob said:

 

(Dr. Jack, not sure why you mentioned using the pink ID card or driver's license when checking into a hotel.  I don't know about the pink ID card but the driver's license has one's passport number on it so I'm unclear why using that would hamper the hotel in filing the usual TM30)

CMBob,

 

My drivers license does have my passport number but my pink card does not.  

[Brick Top]

On 1/24/2025 at 8:45 AM, Joseph98765 said:

I live Chiang mai and I spent 3 days in Tak. The hotel changed my residence address...from there all ok.

Last week I had to do my TM47 and I put my address of Chiang mai doing the TM47 online and was rejected, because the address they have was still Tak Hotel, then I told my landlord to put me again in the system (TM30) and when she did after few hours later I did my TM 47 again...and was rejected again, but this time they told me come to immigration in person...WT*

 

So when I went to immigration looks like every time you book a night in a hotel, your next TM47 you must to go in person to do it... or at least that's what the officer told me (and not very convincing because he had to ask someone about that). This rule is new in Chiang mai? because I've here for 10 years traveling and staying in hotels and I never had a problem to put my condo address after staying in a hotel 1 month before.

 

I know every time you leave the country, yes is mandatory to go in person to immigration for your next TM47.......but even staying in a hotel in Chiang mai for 1 night I have to go?? they have a convenient online system and I don't have to waste one day of my work vacations for this sh*t..

 

Did anyone has the same situation here??

I reside in Phuket and i went to the UK in March and returned home to Phuket on 2nd October 

I did my 90 day report on line on 23 Dec , to my surprise it all went through fine and informed me my next report is due in March. 

I did not have to go to immigration 

[TigerandDog]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

You in thread some time back posted

 

......"The last TM30 I submitted was in 2016 when I moved to CM. I never use my passport when checking into hotels in Thailand. Always use my pink ID card or driver's license" 

 

So you state that you use passport for check in and previously state "I never use my passport" 

 

In any event I single out CM as when changes were made to TM30 rules in June 2020 they ignored that change.

Granted we are now seeing requirement to report in person after travel abroad.

This is because they wanted to sync online reporting with TM30.

It will never work. 

how long ago did I post that? Since that post the hotels I've stayed at have not been accepting either my pink ID card (on the basis that technically it's only valid for use within the province of issue) or my Thai driver's license. They will now ONLY accept my passport, even when my wife makes the hotel reservation in her name. So that old post may have been the situation when that comment was posted, but now it is as I posted today. You also conveniently choose to ignore the fact that a driver's license has your passport # on it and TM30's are submitted by hotels on that basis if the driver's license is used at check in.

Again your comment re CM ignoring the TM30 changes in June 2020 is incorrect. Regardless of whether I used my drivers license or passport at a hotel check in, as previously stated CM have NEVER required me to submit a new TM30 upon return to my permanent address so as to approve my 90 day report. I can assure you that all the farangs I know in CM have NEVER had to resubmit a TM30 after returning from an inter province trip prior to submitting their 90 report, and that applies to before the 2020 changes too. Other provinces may require that, but our experience with CM is as stated, we've NEVER had to do it.

[DrJack54]

58 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

. I can assure you that all the farangs I know in CM have NEVER had to resubmit a TM30 after returning from an inter province trip prior to submitting their 90 report,......

 

One random cut and paste from many.  @jchfriis 2024

 

"I just learned that Chiang Mai IMM also require a new TM30 after a trip trip to another province. I spent one night in a hotel in Chiang Rai 2 weeks ago. When I tried to do my 90 days reporting online this week, it was denied because my last recorded address was in Chiang Rai. This is the first time it has happened to me in many years. " 

 

Your question ...."how long ago did I post that?" ......2024.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1330298-tm30-i-didnt-know-this/

 

 

[CMBob]

1 hour ago, TigerandDog said:

....Regardless of whether I used my drivers license or passport at a hotel check in, as previously stated CM have NEVER required me to submit a new TM30 upon return to my permanent address so as to approve my 90 day report. I can assure you that all the farangs I know in CM have NEVER had to resubmit a TM30 after returning from an inter province trip prior to submitting their 90 report, and that applies to before the 2020 changes too. Other provinces may require that, but our experience with CM is as stated, we've NEVER had to do it.

Relating to CM only:  While I've never had to actually file a new TM30 after staying in a hotel elsewhere that filed a TM30 for me, I have twice had an attempted TM47 filing rejected for that reason (the rejections specifically said it was because I had a different address....the hotel address).  But other times it doesn't happen.  So, as mentioned before, it's hit or miss.  Probably depends on whoever is reviewing the online TM47 filing and who is erroneously disregarding the June 2020 police order provisions.

 

But, then again, I had one attempted online TM47 filing rejected for the reason(s) that my entry date and/or extension expiration date were wrong.  They weren't.  

[edwardflory]

"""....resubmit a TM30 after returning from an inter province trip prior to submitting their 90 report,...... """

 

You don't UNLESS you stay at a hotel, guest house or someplace that submits a TM-30

[khunPer]

On 1/24/2025 at 2:45 AM, Joseph98765 said:

I live Chiang mai and I spent 3 days in Tak. The hotel changed my residence address...from there all ok.

Last week I had to do my TM47 and I put my address of Chiang mai doing the TM47 online and was rejected, because the address they have was still Tak Hotel, then I told my landlord to put me again in the system (TM30) and when she did after few hours later I did my TM 47 again...and was rejected again, but this time they told me come to immigration in person...WT*

 

So when I went to immigration looks like every time you book a night in a hotel, your next TM47 you must to go in person to do it... or at least that's what the officer told me (and not very convincing because he had to ask someone about that). This rule is new in Chiang mai? because I've here for 10 years traveling and staying in hotels and I never had a problem to put my condo address after staying in a hotel 1 month before.

 

I know every time you leave the country, yes is mandatory to go in person to immigration for your next TM47.......but even staying in a hotel in Chiang mai for 1 night I have to go?? they have a convenient online system and I don't have to waste one day of my work vacations for this sh*t..

 

Did anyone has the same situation here??

It's depending of the local immigration office.

There iss a police order (don't remember the number by hearth) stating that you don't need to re-register a TM30 when you are temporary staying in other domestic places/other provinces, and even when travelling abroad with a re-entry permit.

 

However, the immigration office where I stay don't follow the police order (I've shown it to them) and claims a new TM30 if one has been out of the province.

[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, khunPer said:

There iss a police order (don't remember the number by hearth) stating that you don't need to re-register a TM30 when you are temporary staying in other domestic places/other provinces, and even when travelling abroad with a re-entry permit.

Rule 2.2 and 2.1 however swept aside since immigration trying to sync TM30 with TM47....,sadly.

 

 

[edwardflory]

It all boils down to YOUR  LOCAL IMMIGRATION OFFICE POLICY about TM-30's

 

1st hand knowledge  .... Ya gotta live with it.

[503726]

9 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

I don't agree with your first sentence DrJack.

I've lived in CM since 2016 and travel inter province every month and have my passport copied at the relevant hotel I stay at, and I have NEVER been asked to submit a new TM30 upon return to my permanent address so that a TM47 can be accepted. The ONLY time I've had to do that was last year when I returned from a holiday in Vietnam.

For the most part the information you give in this forum is accurate, but unfortunately, on occasion, you do make inaccurate comments when it comes to CM Immigration. such as the one in your comment above.

 

I registered a TM30 for the house i live in and my occupancy as foreigner visitor. The TM47 on line applications ran smoothly enough for a couple of years. I NEVER had to give my passport number if we did stay in a hotel as I knew I would have to register in my house for TM30 when we got home.  I exited the country for the fist time in several years this summer and registered as staying at our home for TM30 when I got back through our ONLINE facility. 

 

My first online application for 90 notification under TM47 failed as they want to see you in person. Immigration said online TM47 would be work on the next notification which was done last week. They have not accepted my application for TM47 so far. I am going to Chaeng Watana next week because it will be due. 

 

I suspect the TM47 system has been tweaked to check the TM30 and my record has failed for some reason.  I will do a manual TM30 at the same time in case the glitch happens on the TM30 side, though I think that means my wife signing it as house owner and me having a formal Authority or Power signed off by her witnesses by someone else if I remember rightly for me to submit the TM30. 

[KannikaP]

On 1/24/2025 at 8:45 AM, Joseph98765 said:

I know every time you leave the country, yes is mandatory to go in person to immigration for your next TM47....

Never in last two  years going to Dubai/UK and back. Online worked fine.

[rwilem]

8 hours ago, edwardflory said:

It all boils down to YOUR  LOCAL IMMIGRATION OFFICE POLICY about TM-30's

Yep. And it doesn't really matter about reports saying what ALWAYS and NEVER happens, re these immigration issues. Interpretations and enforcement of rules and guidelines vary not just around the kingdom's immigration offices, they can even vary how they are handled within the same office. 

[Skeptic7]

Typical inconsistent and inept Thailand.

 

Seems almost all Immigration Offices have their rogue quirks and some have more than others. Of course there is a simple solution...Consistency...make sure all officers at all offices are aware of the actual standardized rules, regulations and requirements. Give them a manual and update it as revisions happen. Then give them a comprehensive annual "open book" exam. If they miss even just one question as to the rules, they are taken off payroll until they score 100%. Have a complaint department for us...the customers...and if the office and or officers are found to have botched it up...FIX it and dock he/she/them a week's pay. Government (and companies) in The States, UK and Europe do not have this inconsistency problem. Here it is rampant, unnecessary and totally unacceptable.