ChatGPT agrees that more COVID vaccination --> more cases

[ukrules]

Could something like this be due to the fact that there was a pandemic going on at the time, it's now endemic

Everyone rushes out to get a vaccine at the same time as there's a lot of cases going around.

Correlation is not causality, etc.....In fact it could be the opposite of what's being suggested here, more people are vaccinating due to the large number of cases 'going around' in the world.

Always remain open minded.

[blaze master]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

You do of course have links to their quotes, right? Or do you just swallow this and spread it without checking? (Don't worry, I know the answer)

 

 

There is nothing to swallow. Most of those quotes have video evidence backing it as well. Anyways for a real hoot check out the bangkok post home page just now for the latest on covid.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

 

No one has all the answers or experiences.
 

You mentioned believing either what you know or what you're told, and it's not always that simple. Personal experience is valuable but can be limited and biased. We can’t just rely on ourselves or take everything at face value.
 

Understanding the world is all about sharing knowledge and learning from each other. Ignoring this broader view can hold us back and miss the important insights that science and expert opinions provide.
 

That’s why it’s essential to use critical thinking to separate what's true from what's not. Trust should be informed, not blind, so we can see the bigger picture

 

I agree with that, as long as I know or at least respect the source of the info being shared 

 

If coming from one of them acronyms or MSM ... well, I loss respect for them decades ago.  

 

Thankfully, I did listen to respected, acclaimed in their field, docs & virologist on YT, till they all got scrubbed off, and then under pending investigations.   Which I suspect are all over, and they're all back in practice.  Just banned from the internet.

 

Although everything the stated and warned about, has come true ... go figure.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

I think the best thing that people can do at this point is to forget about it.  Maybe consider it a lesson going forward.  No one can turn back the clock.  

 

Anyone who was paying attention beginning in 2020 probably witnessed a lot of nonsense.  It was truly amazing.  

Paranoia beyond belief juxtaposed with people who seemingly ignored it all but had no real choice but to go along with some of the nonsense.  Closed restaurants and bars, masks, partially closed medical facilities., arrows on the floor of grocery stores telling you which way you could walk,  FDA nonsense.  Media propaganda.  It was a mass hysteria. 

But that is only your opinion. Other people have different opinions which are equally valid.

[gamb00ler]

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

How is resisting the relentless social pressure, coercion and manipulation to get the shots an 'act of selfishness'?

This statement indicates some fish are smarter than you.  The fish know that they're safer sticking with the crowd.

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

So as it really only ( allegedly) benefits those who agree to receive it, and does not prevent transmission the above sounds like a positive, The so called "stupid" people are actually doing the "more intelligent socially conscious" a big favour. They are not selfish they are making the ultimate sacrifice for the benefit of mankind.  

Three friends all vaxxed within weeks of each other (pfizer)    and now each one diagnosed with bowel cancer within weeks of each other. What a coincidence eh?

So the fact you and your friends all drink like fishes and eat loads of processed foods has nothing to do with the bowel cancer, it's all on the vaccine.

 

 

[Mark Nothing]

The Holy Bible is full of stories about what happens to the knuckleheads who demote God in favor of the flavor of the day, and worshipped their false idols. Severe punishment is always the end result of breaking the 1st and 2nd commandment.

 

Even the peasants thousands of years ago figured it out, and got back to the basics, following the commandments and reading the Bible.  The Holy Bible has an entirely different concept of health than medical science. One verse says the diseases of the pharoahs will have no affect on you once you learn this strength.   The beginning of wisdom occurs when you access the correct data.

 

Once you do, you adopt those proven concepts and can live the life you were born to live.  I think the absurdity we lived through was a way for those of us with critical thinking skills to jumpstart us onto the right path.  I think you know the wrong answers already and it is time to implement the right answers.

 

 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

 

I got 2 kids who are not vaccinated and doing absolutely fine.

Oh wow, a statistical sample of two kids in a population of millions proves your case beyond doubt.

 

The virologists and epidemiologists should clean out their offices, you've made them all redundant.

[jas007]

3 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Obviously run by our reptilian underlords from their secret base on the darkest side of the moon, accessible only by Trump/Musk's stargate installation, beyond the great ice wall buried underneath the golden Illuminati pyramid disguised as Santa's workshop by Harry Potter's cloak of festivus, and guarded by a battalion of Oompah-Loompahs in rainbow leotards.

You may be closer to the truth than you seem to think, for all practical purposes.

 

I know what I know, and one thing I do know for sure  is that if you get your "news" from the legacy media, you know nothing. Have you ever gone back to catalogue all the lies they told people?  One lie after another.  I could make a big long list. It was like a bad movie. And the lies continue, to this day.  Perhaps that's one reason Trump told all the public health services to shut up for the time being. 

 

Anyway, I wasn't a victim, except for the few  years of my life I was trapped in the USA with not much to do, and at this point, none of it is my problem.  I'm out of there. We'll see if they go for Round II. Bill Gates has already promised that the next "pandemic" will "get people's attention."  It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't already own the patent on the vaccine for the next virus. 

 

 

 

 

[scottiejohn]

25 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

Even the peasants thousands of years ago figured it out, and got back to the basics, following the commandments and reading the Bible.

I don't think the bible was around "thousands of years ago"! In fact the so called crucifixion and resurrection happened slightly less than 2,000 years ago around AD 29-33!

 

Link; How Old Was Jesus When He Died?

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

This statement indicates some fish are smarter than you.  The fish know that they're safer sticking with the crowd.

except those who get scooped up by a trawler  or one of those giant Manta ray things

[Bday Prang]

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

How is not getting vaccinated an act of selfishness if the consequences are only for oneself?

same as NOT wearing a totally unsuitable disposable 1baht  mask even when alone in the car , at the coast, or in the mountains,how could we forget 😷

[TedG]

9 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Moments ago, ChatGPT assured me the COVID vaccines reduced COVID cases. So I uploaded the COVID cases data and asked ChatGPT to analyze it. It conceded that the shot increase your infection risk.

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/chatgpt-agrees-that-more-covid-vaccination

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From ChatGPT:

 

 

In plain English, the more you vax, the more COVID cases you get.

This is precisely the opposite of what we were told by the health authorities.

 

Here’s a link to the full ChatGPT session  >  https://www.skirsch.com/covid/chatgpt/CDC_cases_analysis.pdf

 

= = =

 

 

R-squared: 0.074 (indicating weak explanatory power of vaccination rate on
relative change in cases).

 

This is weak sauce.   Which is how the anti vax crowd rolls.  

[WorriedNoodle]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

And this is what Wikipedia's co-founder has to say about it:

 

'Nobody should trust Wikipedia,' its co-founder warns: Larry Sanger says site has been taken over by left-wing 'volunteers' who write off sources that don't fit their agenda as fake news

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9793263/Nobody-trust-Wikipedia-founder-Larry-Sanger-warns.html

I'd rather go to Wikipedia to pull facts than the source you chose of the Daily Mail.

 

Larry Sanger’s (who left in 2002?) views could certainly be biased themselves. Sanger is known to have strong libertarian and conservative political views, and that could color his perception of Wikipedia as being biased.

Also, it's important to remember that Wikipedia’s bias may not be monolithic. The site is edited by thousands of volunteers from different backgrounds, so the biases that Sanger perceives might be only partial and not represent the whole of Wikipedia’s content.

 

[rattlesnake]

11 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

I'd rather go to Wikipedia to pull facts than the source you chose of the Daily Mail.

 

Larry Sanger’s (who left in 2002?) views could certainly be biased themselves. Sanger is known to have strong libertarian and conservative political views, and that could color his perception of Wikipedia as being biased.

Also, it's important to remember that Wikipedia’s bias may not be monolithic. The site is edited by thousands of volunteers from different backgrounds, so the biases that Sanger perceives might be only partial and not represent the whole of Wikipedia’s content.

 

 

Here are more details on Sanger's take:

 

Wikipedia co-founder claims site is influenced by FBI and CIA, ‘obviously biased’ toward the left
Larry Sanger told Glenn Greenwald that it was discovered in 2008 that 'the CIA and FBI computers were used to edit Wikipedia.'

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/wikipedia-co-founder-claims-site-is-influenced-by-fbi-and-cia-obviously-biased-toward-the-left/

[rabas]

My chatgpt doesn't agree!

 

Me: Please comment on a hypothetical question related to COVID and vaccines. The hypothetical question is based on a scientific paper that is often quoted by those spreading misinformation.

 

The hypothetical question is: Suppose I have a general population in say a city or state. Also suppose I am able to determine that half of the people will be exposed to the COVID virus and the other half will not, and I know who is in each group. I then decide to vaccinate only the half that will be exposed and not vaccinate the other half.

 

After the pandemic I then analyze who got COVID and who did not. I should find that all people who got COVID were vaccinated and un-vaccinated people did not get COVID.

 

Please answer this question: Dose the fact that only vaccinated people got COVID, in any way, support the idea that 1) the vaccine causes more COVID or 2) the vaccine is not effective in reducing COVID cases?

Please comment on the scientific validity of using the result from a single study while ignoring results of all other studies.

Chatgpt:  (emphasis ChatGPT)

 

This is an excellent question for tackling misinformation, as it demonstrates how context and understanding of study design are critical to interpreting results accurately.

Direct Answer:

The fact that "only vaccinated people got COVID" in the hypothetical scenario does not support the idea that 1) the vaccine causes more COVID or 2) the vaccine is not effective in reducing COVID cases. Here's why:

 

[Full discussion below]

Conclusion:

Your hypothetical scenario is an excellent demonstration of how misuse of data and flawed experimental design can lead to incorrect conclusions. It is a valuable tool for illustrating the importance of proper study design, context, and the dangers of cherry-picking evidence in public health discussions.

 

Full discussion: (click to enlarge)

  

 

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Here are more details on Sanger's take:

 

Wikipedia co-founder claims site is influenced by FBI and CIA, ‘obviously biased’ toward the left
Larry Sanger told Glenn Greenwald that it was discovered in 2008 that 'the CIA and FBI computers were used to edit Wikipedia.'

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/wikipedia-co-founder-claims-site-is-influenced-by-fbi-and-cia-obviously-biased-toward-the-left/

Yes, the FBI and CIA are well known biased towards the left.

[fredwiggy]

21 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

yes wow indeed, I was one of them, 

What were, are, your symptoms? I had H Pylori and did the treatment and it's better but still have some gastritis symptoms, which do happen after the treatment because your gut microbiota are hurt from the antibiotics. I also had an endoscopy and colonoscopy (my firsts), with only the H Pylori coming up. No polyps and they said stomach was only a little inflamed from the H Pylori. What diagnosis did you get and from what tests?

[sungod]

16 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Oh wow, a statistical sample of two kids in a population of millions proves your case beyond doubt.

 

The virologists and epidemiologists should clean out their offices, you've made them all redundant.

 

Did you vaccinate your young children?

[Lacessit]

35 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

Did you vaccinate your young children?

IIRC polio, tetanus - all the usual shots. COVID was not around when my son was a kid. If it had been, yes.

[sungod]

Just now, Lacessit said:

IIRC polio, tetanus - all the usual shots. COVID was not around when my son was a kid. If it had been, yes.

 

I gave my kids all the shots that have proven safe over many years too.

 

My kids caught covid before vaccines came available. Why would I vaccinate them later for something that gave them little more than a runny nose?

 

If you didn't have children during COVID, you never had to make the decision. You dont have a say on this table.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

I gave my kids all the shots that have proven safe over many years too.

 

My kids caught covid before vaccines came available. Why would I vaccinate them later for something that gave them little more than a runny nose?

 

If you didn't have children during COVID, you never had to make the decision. You dont have a say on this table.

I would agree vaccination is unnecessary for a kid who has already had COVID, the conferred immunity is probably better than a vaccine anyway.

 

The only people who determine what I can say on ASEAN are moderators. AFAIK you are not one of them.

[WorriedNoodle]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Yes, the FBI and CIA are well known biased towards the left.

Like when in 2016, former FBI Director James Comey sent a letter to Congress about the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server just before the presidential election, which some saw as unfairly damaging Clinton's candidacy? That doesn't seem very biased to the left does it?

[richard_smith237]

This is a perfect example of 'Bullsh!t in = bullsh!t out"...

 

.... if you can't ask an intelligent question, don't expect an intelligent answer... 

.. and certainly don't be stupid enough to believe the rubbish something such as chatGPT spouts out after its searched the net for suitably fitting information to the loaded questions asked of it.... 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

 

I gave my kids all the shots that have proven safe over many years too.

 

My kids caught covid before vaccines came available. Why would I vaccinate them later for something that gave them little more than a runny nose?

 

If you didn't have children during COVID, you never had to make the decision. You dont have a say on this table.

 

There are other facets to this discussion worth considering...     'Antigenic drift' 

 

i.e. After 2-3 years of isolating I had greater concern for the impact on an Influenza virus than I did SARS-Cov2 virus or any of its existing iterations....  Not specifically for the severity of a potential flu illness, but for the potential for it to 'knock us out' and ruin a holiday... 

 

... i.e. We'd isolated for long enough that the antigenic drift of the influenza virus could have taken a divergent path from that which we had pre-existing tolerance or immunity.

 

Thus..... come flu-season, I didn't want our Christmas and ski holiday ruined by any of us falling ill and being stuck indoors nursing a horrible flu - IMO it was worth taking the influenza vaccine to counter act that risk. 

 

 

IMO - the same can be said for the SARS-Cov2 Vaccines - as the virus evolves around the world there is a risk that it 'can' take on a guise more severe than the current 'snivels' which I'm not worried about....  Should genuine news surface that the virus has taken on a more serious turn, then I'd give serious thought to getting 'revaccinated' IF those vaccinations available at the time are designed to 'lessen the impact' of the symptoms of such that variant. 

 

 

This is how we've behaved with Influenza, I think it makes sense to take the same precautions with SARS-Cov2 - evolve with it, and if we need further 'vaccine assistance' to counter a more severe variant - then take it if its available. 

 

 

As far as the as the other paranoia is concerned - I don't by into any of it, at all.

[sungod]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There are other facets to this discussion worth considering...     'Antigenic drift' 

 

i.e. After 2-3 years of isolating I had greater concern for the impact on an Influenza virus than I did SARS-Cov2 virus or any of its existing iterations....  Not specifically for the severity of a potential flu illness, but for the potential for it to 'knock us out' and ruin a holiday... 

 

... i.e. We'd isolated for long enough that the antigenic drift of the influenza virus could have taken a divergent path from that which we had pre-existing tolerance or immunity.

 

Thus..... come flu-season, I didn't want our Christmas and ski holiday ruined by any of us falling ill and being stuck indoors nursing a horrible flu - IMO it was worth taking the influenza vaccine to counter act that risk. 

 

 

IMO - the same can be said for the SARS-Cov2 Vaccines - as the virus evolves around the world there is a risk that it 'can' take on a guise more severe than the current 'snivels' which I'm not worried about....  Should genuine news surface that the virus has taken on a more serious turn, then I'd give serious thought to getting 'revaccinated' IF those vaccinations available at the time are designed to 'lessen the impact' of the symptoms of such that variant. 

 

 

This is how we've behaved with Influenza, I think it makes sense to take the same precautions with SARS-Cov2 - evolve with it, and if we need further 'vaccine assistance' to counter a more severe variant - then take it if its available. 

 

 

As far as the as the other paranoia is concerned - I don't by into any of it, at all.

 

To be fair that's your choice, and I had mine.

 

The flu vaccine had been around for about 80 years and therefore any adverse effects would have been known by now.

 

I certainly would not have jabbed my kids with an emergency vaccine that they didn't need, had not been around long enough for me to make a time informed decision on just for a family holiday!!!

 

That said, we all make the best decisions we can for our kids so I'm not criticizing you.

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

What were, are, your symptoms? I had H Pylori and did the treatment and it's better but still have some gastritis symptoms, which do happen after the treatment because your gut microbiota are hurt from the antibiotics. I also had an endoscopy and colonoscopy (my firsts), with only the H Pylori coming up. No polyps and they said stomach was only a little inflamed from the H Pylori. What diagnosis did you get and from what tests?

20kg of weight loss in a couple or three weeks , then a  ct scan and biopsy told them all they needed to know, they then proceeded with a colonoscopy, now chemo and radiation starting in two weeks  if you think I am going to waste what time I have left discussing symptoms with you whilst I am suffering the effects of "chemo" you can think again  H pylori (whatever that is ) would be a walk in the park compared to colorectal cancer 

[fredwiggy]

33 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

20kg of weight loss in a couple or three weeks , then a  ct scan and biopsy told them all they needed to know, they then proceeded with a colonoscopy, now chemo and radiation starting in two weeks  if you think I am going to waste what time I have left discussing symptoms with you whilst I am suffering the effects of "chemo" you can think again  H pylori (whatever that is ) would be a walk in the park compared to colorectal cancer 

I was asking because I had stomach problems almost as long as I've lived here, and it looks like it was the H Pylori.  Up to 70% of people worldwide have it but only affects about 20%, and sometimes can lead to cancer, which is why I was asking. Good luck in your treatment.