Migrants in UK: The Challenge of Integration

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:25 AM, herfiehandbag said:

In respect of the criticism of expatriates in Thailand, and our "integration" into Thai society: we do not expect and demand that the indigenous society allow us to practice religious or society customs which may be abhorrent to them, do not offer or actually commit violence to further what we see as our distinct legal and social systems, and do not expect to be funded by the society to which we have come to live.

 

So we do not demand that Thai religious holidays be not celebrated. If (for reasons of religious custom) some of us don't eat meat on Fridays we don't object to others eating meat around us. If ( for reasons I don't begin to understand) some of us don't drink alcohol we don't demand that it be banned.

 

That is rather the difference between the western expatriate community in Thailand and large swathes of the Muslim immigrant community in Europe.

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‘Largest swathes’

 

Sounds like one of those ‘broad generalizations’.

[JonnyF]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:25 AM, herfiehandbag said:

In respect of the criticism of expatriates in Thailand, and our "integration" into Thai society: we do not expect and demand that the indigenous society allow us to practice religious or society customs which may be abhorrent to them, do not offer or actually commit violence to further what we see as our distinct legal and social systems, and do not expect to be funded by the society to which we have come to live.

 

So we do not demand that Thai religious holidays be not celebrated. If (for reasons of religious custom) some of us don't eat meat on Fridays we don't object to others eating meat around us. If ( for reasons I don't begin to understand) some of us don't drink alcohol we don't demand that it be banned.

 

That is rather the difference between the western expatriate community in Thailand and large swathes of the Muslim immigrant community in Europe.

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Expats in Thailand and Muslim immigrants to the UK is indeed a ridiculous comparison. They are polar opposites. 

 

Those who draw the comparison know it is ridiculous and are best ignored. 😆

 

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:42 AM, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

The UK was a multiracial society, very successfully, from the 1950’s through to the 1990’s with beneficial integration from immigrants of different races and cultures. The real problem started when immigrants that are adherents to Islam started arriving, with their refusal to even attempt to integrate, but rather a dictum to start parallel societies within the UK, which they have done.

 

There are already 85, and counting, known Sharia councils in the UK, and every one of them promote hate preaching, honour killings, the subjugation of women, the persecution of gays, and the female genital mutilation of children. They also promote middle aged uncles marrying (several) of their prepubescent nieces; this is hugely popular with the menfolk, not so much with the schoolgirls.

 

It is the insular nature of these Sharia councils within communities that has fostered, enabled, and protected the myriad muslim rape gangs; making integration impossible for most of them, because they have been indoctrinated into believing that it is wrong to integrate with infidels; whilst a few well educated muslims have integrated to an extent, they have moved away from the vicelike  grip of their original communities.

 

Whilst the left wing virtue signallers (including several of the usual suspects on here) try to shut down any conversation about it, by screaming Islamophobe, racist, bigot, or xenophobe, the UK’s march towards an Islamic state, or a civil war, gathers a momentum that it appears cannot be reversed

 

…. Private Frazer was right on the money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

 

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No need to ‘scream’ anything.

 

A quiet ‘know thyself’ suffices.

[Bkk Brian]

A clear example of non integration that as a result leaves women with minimal rights in a marriage. The majority of Muslim marriages in the UK are carried out by Nikkah according to the Islamic Faith and Sharia Law. 

 

The consequence being they are not legally recognized in the UK and for disputes have to go to a Sharia court where everything is stacked against the woman. 

 

Over 60 per cent of Muslim Women are in a Marriage that is not legally Recognised

Back in November of last year Channel 4 showcased an insightful documentary called ”The Truth About Muslim Marriage”, exploring the rights and concerns of wives in Islamic marriages living in Britain.

https://cartwrightking.co.uk/articles/family/nikah-not-recognised/

[MalcolmB]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:45 AM, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Most are on a Non-Immigrant visa.

 

Why have to integrate when you are not an immigrant?

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Because you live here.

Love it, or leave it.

[MalcolmB]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:57 AM, Bkk Brian said:

The consequence being they are not legally recognized in the UK and for disputes have to go to a Sharia court where everything is stacked against the woman. 

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Sounds good to me, better than UK law when everything is stacked against the father. 
Smart men those muslim men, not being pegged by feminists.

 

[Bkk Brian]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:01 AM, MalcolmB said:

Sounds good to me, better than UK law when everything is stacked against the father. 
Smart men those muslim men, not being pegged by feminists.

 

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B/S, advocating for less women's rights under Sharia Law is shameful

[norfolkandchance]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:01 AM, rocketboy2 said:

Nice to see AN's  resident troll out in force on this thread.  yawn, 

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With the Guardian under arm.

[Social Media]

Off topic image of an ex uk model with plastic surgery removed and some off topic troll posts @MalcolmB

 

Migrants in UK: The Challenge of Integration

 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:02 AM, Bkk Brian said:

B/S, advocating for less women's rights under Sharia Law is shameful

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Well that is very feminist of you. 
You are ok when the wife runs of with a new bloke, then takes the house and child custody and then calls the police if he complains and then can’t go within a km of his children.

Nice cat.

[simon43]

  On 1/30/2025 at 11:01 PM, loong said:

Who is St Andrews?

St Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland, but I have never heard of St Andrews.

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Patron saint of Scottish students?? 🙂

[Bkk Brian]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:07 AM, MalcolmB said:

Well that is very feminist of you. 
You are ok when the wife runs of with a new bloke, then takes the house and child custody and then calls the police if he complains and then can’t go within a km of his children.

Nice cat.

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Nothing to do with feminists, pure deflection, read up on how they are treated in a Sharia court. Again, shameful advocating for it. 

 

Britain’s Sharia Courts and the Challenge of Religious Freedom

 

 

[John Drake]

  On 1/30/2025 at 8:02 PM, Social Media said:

a sexagenarian was arrested for allegedly using wigs and disguises to take British citizenship tests on behalf of over a dozen applicants. This incident suggests that some individuals are so determined to settle in Britain that they are willing to bypass the very requirements meant to ensure their integration.

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Authorities are giving the test to the wrong people. It's the native British who need to be tested to see whether they are worthy and able to live in the same nation as the migrants.

[recom273]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:08 AM, simon43 said:

Patron saint of Scottish students?? 🙂

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Patron saint of Scottish golfers.

[MalcolmB]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:37 AM, John Drake said:

 

Authorities are giving the test to the wrong people. It's the native British who need to be tested to see whether they are worthy and able to live in the same nation as the migrants.

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I think that is a step too far but we should be doing a lot more to welcome them and help them where we can.

Having riots and continually complaining about them is not going to make them warm to us.

 

i have been living in Thailand now for a while and so many thai people have helped me out and as a result I feel very warmly towards Thailand and the lovely Thai people.

[JonnyF]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:57 AM, Bkk Brian said:

A clear example of non integration that as a result leaves women with minimal rights in a marriage. The majority of Muslim marriages in the UK are carried out by Nikkah according to the Islamic Faith and Sharia Law. 

 

The consequence being they are not legally recognized in the UK and for disputes have to go to a Sharia court where everything is stacked against the woman. 

 

Over 60 per cent of Muslim Women are in a Marriage that is not legally Recognised

Back in November of last year Channel 4 showcased an insightful documentary called ”The Truth About Muslim Marriage”, exploring the rights and concerns of wives in Islamic marriages living in Britain.

https://cartwrightking.co.uk/articles/family/nikah-not-recognised/

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Just more hypocrisy from the lefty feminist types.

 

They claim to be feminists but constantly take the side of Muslim immigrants who treat women like second class citizens. Just like they support trans women in women only spaces. 

 

It's on a par with Queers for Palestine. 

[JonnyF]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:50 AM, MalcolmB said:

I think that is a step too far but we should be doing a lot more to welcome them and help them where we can.

Having riots and continually complaining about them is not going to make them warm to us.

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Nonsense.

 

The onus is on them.

 

If someone invites themselves to my house for a free dinner, I don't ask them if they object to my tablecloth. If they don't like it, they can leave. 

 

We're doing them a favour and they should act like it. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:50 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

No need to ‘scream’ anything.

 

A quiet ‘know thyself’ suffices.

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I notice that you don’t have anything to say about the 85 Sharia councils that are operating with impunity in the UK, against UK laws. These councils are preventing integration, which is what the post is about.

 

These Sharia councils are causing great division in British society as they promote inter-cousin marriage, the female genital mutilation of girls as young as 10, honour killings, homophobia, and the subjugation of women; yet you don’t seem to have anything to say about it.

Maybe that’s because you don’t live in the UK, and know very little about living there, apart from what you read in left wing news outlets like the Guardian and the BBC.

 

"know thyself" ..... oh, please  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[jippytum]

  On 1/31/2025 at 12:06 AM, MalcolmB said:

How is your integrating with Thai society going?

 

Do you think that Muslim women when immigrating to the UK should take up getting pass out drunk, start snorting cocaine in club toilets, pop Es, dress up like tarts, cover themselves in tattoos and slut around? 
 

It must be a bit of culture shock to see the behavior of our women I think.

 

 

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would you prefere our woman to wear Burkas thr preferred attire for females. 

[norfolkandchance]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:08 AM, simon43 said:

Patron saint of Scottish students?? 🙂

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Used to enjoy Detachments to RAF Leuchars for the ladies and the golf.

[herfiehandbag]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:48 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Largest swathes’

 

Sounds like one of those ‘broad generalizations’.

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I didn't say "largest swathes", I said "large swathes". There is a difference.

 

Far be it from me, as a retired English teacher, to explain the difference between an adjective, it's comparative and it's superlative; sufficient to say that they do make a considerable difference to meanings.

 

Ask your "handlers", if they have a quiet few minutes they may explain it to you!

[Eloquent pilgrim]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:50 AM, MalcolmB said:

continually complaining about them is not going to make them warm to us.

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Bizarre comment of the days far, and it has beaten off some stiff competition; you think the indigenous population of the UK should do whatever is necessary to make immigrants warm to us, rather than that they should do whatever they can to make us warm to them; like integrating into UK society.

 

The only way we can make them warm to us, is if we convert to Islam; did you really not know that ?

 

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

  On 1/31/2025 at 1:59 AM, MalcolmB said:

Because you live here.

Love it, or leave it.

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No need, most foreigners are only here temporarily as per our visa status.

 

Evidence is required of integration for permanent residency and Thai citizenship.

 

Just the way it should be, the ability to revoke a visa and remove unwanted persons immediately.

 

As the UK should be doing.

[Mr Meeseeks]

  On 1/31/2025 at 2:37 AM, John Drake said:

 

Authorities are giving the test to the wrong people. It's the native British who need to be tested to see whether they are worthy and able to live in the same nation as the migrants.

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We formed your country, and still run it by proxy through our Freemasonic networks, so maybe we are not as dumb as you believe? 😉

[MalcolmB]

  On 1/31/2025 at 3:01 AM, jippytum said:

would you prefere our woman to wear Burkas thr preferred attire for females. 

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A large percentage are so ugly it would be an improvement. 
I think my it would increase the odds of my sister finding a man.

[MalcolmB]

  On 1/31/2025 at 3:35 AM, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Bizarre comment of the days far, and it has beaten off some stiff competition; you think the indigenous population of the UK should do whatever is necessary to make immigrants warm to us, rather than that they should do whatever they can to make us warm to them; like integrating into UK society.

 

The only way we can make them warm to us, is if we convert to Islam; did you really not know that ?

 

 

 

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It never hurts to be nice to people.

Especially those who are finding their feet in a new country.

[Mr Meeseeks]

  On 1/31/2025 at 3:42 AM, MalcolmB said:

It never hurts to be nice to people.

Especially those who are finding their feet in a new country.

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Shouldn't make them too comfortable as they may need to leave at any moment.

 

Just as the Thais do, and their way is the right way. 

 

Thailand a homeland for the Thais.

 

Britain a homeland for the British.

[jippytum]

  On 1/31/2025 at 3:41 AM, MalcolmB said:

A large percentage are so ugly it would be an improvement. 
I think my it would increase the odds of my sister finding a man.

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So you are the handsome one in your family

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 1/31/2025 at 3:15 AM, herfiehandbag said:

I didn't say "largest swathes", I said "large swathes". There is a difference.

 

Far be it from me, as a retired English teacher, to explain the difference between an adjective, it's comparative and it's superlative; sufficient to say that they do make a considerable difference to meanings.

 

Ask your "handlers", if they have a quiet few minutes they may explain it to you!

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Ah your pathetic accusation of ‘handlers’ again.

 

Retired English teacher.

 

Let me enjoy that for a moment.

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

  On 1/31/2025 at 3:42 AM, MalcolmB said:

It never hurts to be nice to people.

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The irony of you saying that is absolutely breathtaking. I hope you are going to start following this innovative dictum.