Wake Up! - EVs Are Here, and Your Gas Guzzler is on Life Support

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Congratulations...     I'd fly !!...  

I would too if I had an EV, but then I'd have to rent a car when I got there.

 

In any event, my arms would get too tired...

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Congratulations...     I'd fly !!...  

I would too if I had an EV, but then I'd have to rent a car when I got there.

 

In any event, my arms would get too tired...

 

But we'd know where they place the refuelling nozzle !!!   

[KhunLA]

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

If someone has a vehicle they already like, buying an EV would likely make no economic sense. 

 

The best reason to buy a new car, is because you want a new car. 

Depends how long you keep your cars.  First 3 cars here, we kept for about 125k kms / 7 years each.  4th only had 2 years, and upgraded to the BEV version.   As plan on keeping till it dies, which should be considerable savings over the life of the car, vs the ICEV version.

 

Actually glad now that we did sell the ICEV when we did, as it had a 100k price drop, since the price war started.  Aside from the normal depreciation, add that price drop, and it really wouldn't be worth selling now if still had.

 

If not having solar, we probably would not have sold the ICEV and upgraded to the BEV version.    Simply staying ignorant about the more comfy ride & performance.   We were very happy with the ICEV version, obviously since upgrading to same make & model.

[jimmybcool]

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Fair point... and while its not like that in Thailand... Its not far off either.

 

That maybe due to the area I'm in... But now that I have an EV I realise how many charging stations there actually are...   Mostly in Shopping Malls and Petrol  stations.

 

How many of you can top of your ICE in a shopping mall ???  

 

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On the actual 'planner itself'...    thats just an idea as I never use it when in town anyway, there's no need.

If on a long road trip, I'll look at the planner and check there are plenty of charging stations on the route....   

 

Do you ever look at a Map of the route you are taking when travelling on a road trip (new roads etc), I do... and I used to also look how often the Gas / Petrol stations were. 

 

 

Does your girlfriends Village have electricity ????

- Then you can use a Granni charger to charge over night... (unless you are not stopping over night) in which case....   you will have to use a 'planner' or 'map' to see where you can charge up.

 

But - in reality, Lacessit - IF you are putting up so many 'weak' arguments against EV's, then you are missing out on using your strongest argument.....  which is...

- "you just don't want an EV"...  or

- "you just don't like then".... 

 

which is ok...  each to our own....  but, I'm seeing a lot of very weak very flawed arguments against EV's which hold very little water indeed.... 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you paranoid? Why would I bother to plan my trip with the location of gas stations in mind? They are everywhere in Thailand. Show me one gas station in Thailand that is more than 100 km away from the next. Geez.....

 

Now if you are talking about planning a trip in outback Australia, that's entirely different.

 

I wasn't aware I was making any arguments, weak or otherwise, against EV's. Like ICE's, they have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

I have two cars, one old, one comparatively new. My life expectancy is such both will easily outlast me. It makes no financial sense whatsoever for me to be buying a new car of any kind.

 

My take on cars is if you do buy a new car, you run it into the ground. The best financial decision with a depreciating asset is to buy a car which is a couple of years old, with low mileage. The worst is buying a new car, then trading it in after a couple of years. IMO that's dumb.

[JBChiangRai]

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

As I said, I have done the round trip once without refueling.

 

My usual pattern is 2-3 days in Chiang Mai, visiting friends and a couple of my favorite restaurants. Breakfast at Sausage King, dinner at Antonio's. Special occasions, Le Coq D'Or. My GF catches up with her friends while we are there, I stay with a friend. Shopping at Rimping for groceries I can't get in Chiang Rai.

 

Chiang Mai has the only podiatrist that I know of in the North.

 

After all the running around, I am usually down to a quarter tank. I fill up on the way back at Doi Saket. Sometimes, I turn off at Mae Kachan to Phayao, the road less travelled.

 

Horses for courses. If I had an EV, I would not be concerned if I had a coffee while waiting for it to recharge. OTOH, I'd be p!ssed off if I had to wait for a couple of other EV's, and waste an hour.

 

On the journey you describe, I would leave Chiang Rai fully charged, potter around CM as you described and I'd stop for KFC at Mae Kachan and plug the car in whilst I ate there. 10 minutes would be long enough.  If there was a queue (I've never seen one), I'd stop at the next one 12km further down the road.

 

There's not much call for charging stations between CM & CR as most people start with a full battery in CM or CR and don't need to charge.

 

If you don't drive an EV you probably won't notice the charging stations, PTT's have a big blue EV sign on the pole outside

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

The batteries never need replacing. 

[JBChiangRai]

3 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

 

Some MG EV's have the batteries warranted for life.

 

Batteries expected to last 18 or more years, I'm sure we will see an industry build up to repair batteries, there are already a few companies doing this in DUST (disunited states of trump) because TeSSla charge so much for a new battery.

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

I am curious if anyone here has owned an EV into the stage of life where the battery needs replacement and if that is possible in many of them.  I have plenty of time to learn about this phase of it since my current ride is probably staying in service with me for at least another 5 years unless I just get antsy and decide I have to buy a new car for no reason. 

 

Wondering who has to do this.  Manufacturer only?  Cost?.  Seems in the USA Tesla would have the most robust system for this but here in THA maybe some of the Chinese brands like BYD have a bigger sales and support structure. 

Most come with an 8 year battery warranty, and the market here is too young for anyone to need replacing a battery.   MG even offers a lifetime battery warranty on most models.

 

With most using LFP chemistry, the batteries really should outlast the rest of the car, and probably the same with the electric motors, which MG again, warranties for life, I think.

 

Hopefully by the time the rest of the car craps out, folks here will have an easy plug & play for the battery pack to be added to solar systems.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The batteries never need replacing. 

Tell that to a Nissan Leaf owner in Australia. Bought the car for AUD 50K, battery failed after 6 years. Out of warranty. AUD 38K replacement cost, thank you.