Wake Up! - EVs Are Here, and Your Gas Guzzler is on Life Support

[kwak250]

I am still very happy with ice cars at the moment but I am sure one day we will all have to drive Ev's

It would make no sense to me to sell 2 of my vehicles to buy a new EV car.

At the moment a Ev car would not be suitable for us as we do many trips of 6-700km for work starting at 6am so like to get to our destination without having to organise charging on route.

It will be the future no doubt but looking at how quickly they have advanced in the last 5 years I reckon by 2030 we will see many more .

Still would prefer the sound and feel of a nice ice vehicle but sadly we have to accept the EV will become way more popular. 

At least they are not catching fire as much as they used to.

[motdaeng]

33 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

Unfortunately, modern EVs are high tech and, with the technology increasing every year, are disposal. Figure on an average life span of 5 years. So, yes, it is true, the battery will probably outlast most modern EVs. The supporting electronics will die first and won't be worth replacing.

 

It's like computers back in the late 1990s.  You bought the best and most up to date you could afford, but knowing full well you will need to upgrade key components within a couple of years, and replace the computer after about 5 years if you want to keep up with the latest hardware/software.

 

there's huge potential in battery technology, but also in software and overall car electronics. however, i don't believe that in 10 to 20 years, all new cars will be fully autonomous or that today's electric cars will be completely outdated.

 

even now, many 20- to 30-year-old cars with outdated and sometimes poor safety features are still on the road. i'm convinced that today's electric cars will still be driving safely in 20 years, without any major safety or comfort issues ...

[Yellowtail]

21 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

there's huge potential in battery technology, but also in software and overall car electronics. however, i don't believe that in 10 to 20 years, all new cars will be fully autonomous or that today's electric cars will be completely outdated.

 

even now, many 20- to 30-year-old cars with outdated and sometimes poor safety features are still on the road. i'm convinced that today's electric cars will still be driving safely in 20 years, without any major safety or comfort issues ...

Pun intended? 

[Gknrd]

I've thought about it, and will go EV when my 2006 Toyota dies. But, it may outlast me.  Personally I am not throwing away the money to buy an EV just because I can. 

[Gweiloman]

15 hours ago, Stevemercer said:

Unfortunately, modern EVs are high tech and, with the technology increasing every year, are disposal. Figure on an average life span of 5 years. So, yes, it is true, the battery will probably outlast most modern EVs. The supporting electronics will die first and won't be worth replacing.

 

It's like computers back in the late 1990s.  You bought the best and most up to date you could afford, but knowing full well you will need to upgrade key components within a couple of years, and replace the computer after about 5 years if you want to keep up with the latest hardware/software.

Making the comparison with computers shows that you are rather clueless. ICEVs also undergo upgrades to its software and hardware. Unlike a computer, that doesn’t mean the vehicle can’t function anymore.

[Gweiloman]

14 hours ago, kwak250 said:

I am still very happy with ice cars at the moment but I am sure one day we will all have to drive Ev's

It would make no sense to me to sell 2 of my vehicles to buy a new EV car.

At the moment a Ev car would not be suitable for us as we do many trips of 6-700km for work starting at 6am so like to get to our destination without having to organise charging on route.

It will be the future no doubt but looking at how quickly they have advanced in the last 5 years I reckon by 2030 we will see many more .

Still would prefer the sound and feel of a nice ice vehicle but sadly we have to accept the EV will become way more popular. 

At least they are not catching fire as much as they used to.

For once, a perfectly valid and appropriate post from someone who doesn’t own an EV. If you’re frequently having to drive 6-700 km stretches for work, then an EV is not really convenient for you for now. It also doesn’t make much sense for anyone to sell their existing ICE vehicle just to buy an EV.

[Dan747]

Kind of depends on your needs-Most EV's do not give me the distance I need to travel, so I am sticking with my Petro truck that gives me the "FREEDOM" to travel much greater distances.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Dan747 said:

Kind of depends on your needs-Most EV's do not give me the distance I need to travel, so I am sticking with my Petro truck that gives me the "FREEDOM" to travel much greater distances.

Pretty much depends how often you travel over 250-300 kms a day, or more, with some of the newer models.  When O&A, we personally don't want to be on the road more than 3+ hrs, and would stop for quite a bit, no matter what type vehicle we drove.

 

The extra convenience and savings 10 months of the year, certainly offsets any minor (actually almost none) inconveniences when away from home charging while O&A for about 2 months of the year.

[KhunLA]

16 hours ago, kwak250 said:

I am still very happy with ice cars at the moment but I am sure one day we will all have to drive Ev's

It would make no sense to me to sell 2 of my vehicles to buy a new EV car.

At the moment a Ev car would not be suitable for us as we do many trips of 6-700km for work starting at 6am so like to get to our destination without having to organise charging on route.

It will be the future no doubt but looking at how quickly they have advanced in the last 5 years I reckon by 2030 we will see many more .

Still would prefer the sound and feel of a nice ice vehicle but sadly we have to accept the EV will become way more popular. 

At least they are not catching fire as much as they used to.

 

Excellent example of ... 'EVs aren't for everyone' 👍

[Gweiloman]

On 2/8/2025 at 8:02 AM, Dan747 said:

Kind of depends on your needs-Most EV's do not give me the distance I need to travel, so I am sticking with my Petro truck that gives me the "FREEDOM" to travel much greater distances.

Can’t disagree with your first sentence. My EV more than gives me the distance I need to travel 99.9% of the time without having to charge away from home. In fact, I’ve never needed to charge anywhere other than at home, either via solar or during off peak times. More than that, I use the V2L function to power parts of my house when I get home, during peak times and recharge during off peak times. As a result, I save on both my electricity and fuel bills.

[Stevemercer]

Drive Australia recently did a comparison driving identical BMWs from Melbourne to Sydney (900 km) One was electric and one was petrol. Apart from that, the cars were identical. Surprisingly (?) the petrol car was 20% cheaper than the electric on fuel costs and made the journey 3 hours quicker.

 

EVs are, of course, cheaper if you can charge at home and take advantage of cheaper tarrifs. They make sense around the city. But for longer driving, they don't make so much sense. Fast chargers can be relatively expensive and often seem to be broken adding time and uncertainty to a long drive.

[Stevemercer]

On 2/8/2025 at 7:51 AM, Gweiloman said:

Making the comparison with computers shows that you are rather clueless. ICEVs also undergo upgrades to its software and hardware. Unlike a computer, that doesn’t mean the vehicle can’t function anymore.

 Ha ha. I was talking about hardware upgrades. Try replacing/upgrading the hardware on a Chinese brand EV in 5 years to take advantage of new tech for recharging or simply to keep all the high tech functions running. In my opinion, technology still has a way to go on EVs. Each year, EVs will have more range, faster charging and greater efficiencies. You will need need to upgrade every 4 or 5 years if you want to keep up.

[JBChiangRai]

4 hours ago, Stevemercer said:

Drive Australia recently did a comparison driving identical BMWs from Melbourne to Sydney (900 km) One was electric and one was petrol. Apart from that, the cars were identical. Surprisingly (?) the petrol car was 20% cheaper than the electric on fuel costs and made the journey 3 hours quicker.

 

EVs are, of course, cheaper if you can charge at home and take advantage of cheaper tarrifs. They make sense around the city. But for longer driving, they don't make so much sense. Fast chargers can be relatively expensive and often seem to be broken adding time and uncertainty to a long drive.

I saw that one too.  Australia is very different to Thailand, here electricity is cheap, even on the fast charging network which is huge in Thailand.

 

I’ve never seen a broken charger and I would have no hesitation in driving from one end of Thailand to the other and I wouldn’t even bother to plan my stops. Charging stations are rarely further apart than 20Km here.