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I was being sarcastic ajarn. I meant that they were NOT scared of Thailand.

Maybe you got that already, but as you are not a native speaker of English and from your response, I am not sure. :o

I didn't quote your post, right ? I know you were trying to be sarcastic. I got it.

I was just adding my 2 centimes.

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there was almost no communist influence in Thailand, however the Thai army actually went around the North harassing suspected Communists just for the sake of doing it. the US government feed the Thais false information on the level on communist influence in their country.

the foreign policy of the Americans between 1950-1970 was absolutely horrible. HoChiMin had played the Star Spangled banner at a rally. He felt that they were kicking the French out the way the Americans kicked out the British. The Vietnamese have been fighting the Chinese and Cambodians for ever, the idea that they were going to unite under the Red flag was idiotic. The Vietnam War was a sick, sick thing.

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"The Vietnam War was a sick, sick thing. "

I'm inclined to stretch it to 'ANY war...'

It wsa bad enough when you had to see whom you were killing to do it, but when an enitre population can be wiped out from the comfort of your office / home...

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there was almost no communist influence in Thailand, however the Thai army actually went around the North harassing suspected Communists just for the sake of doing it. the US government feed the Thais false information on the level on communist influence in their country.

the foreign policy of the Americans between 1950-1970 was absolutely horrible. HoChiMin had played the Star Spangled banner at a rally. He felt that they were kicking the French out the way the Americans kicked out the British. The Vietnamese have been fighting the Chinese and Cambodians for ever, the idea that they were going to unite under the Red flag was idiotic. The Vietnam War was a sick, sick thing.

Now I am really confused :o I was in the British army actually serving in northeast thailand from late 62 till april 66 ,I must been dreaming then about the attacks on nearby villages and bridges, and the skirmishes between thai troops and laos insurgents in the mukdaharn area,so it was all US propaganda and the thai army harrassing the local Katoi,s :D I will immediately return my GSM and thailand bar which I recieved for active service in thailand, because I obviously am mistaken I was never witness to any thing it must be the effects of my homemade Lao Khao :D Nignoy
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there was almost no communist influence in Thailand, however the Thai army actually went around the North harassing suspected Communists just for the sake of doing it. the US government feed the Thais false information on the level on communist influence in their country.

the foreign policy of the Americans between 1950-1970 was absolutely horrible. HoChiMin had played the Star Spangled banner at a rally. He felt that they were kicking the French out the way the Americans kicked out the British. The Vietnamese have been fighting the Chinese and Cambodians for ever, the idea that they were going to unite under the Red flag was idiotic. The Vietnam War was a sick, sick thing.

Now I am really confused :o I was in the British army actually serving in northeast thailand from late 62 till april 66 ,I must been dreaming then about the attacks on nearby villages and bridges, and the skirmishes between thai troops and laos insurgents in the mukdaharn area,so it was all US propaganda and the thai army harrassing the local Katoi,s :D I will immediately return my GSM and thailand bar which I recieved for active service in thailand, because I obviously am mistaken I was never witness to any thing it must be the effects of my homemade Lao Khao :D Nignoy

Nignoy, these guys don't want to hear about facts. That interferes with their own preconceived ideas. Most of them weren't there and don't know a thing. I've gotten sucked into these Vietnam arguments before and it is a endless source of aggravation for those of us who were actually there.

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Can we throw in another "what if"?

What if the french never came to Southeast Asia and there were no other countries like the French that Vietnam and Laos wanted out of their country?

Seeing how we're fantasizing about the past, toss that into your calculations and see what you come up with.

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Can we throw in another "what if"?

What if the french never came to Southeast Asia and there were no other countries like the French that Vietnam and Laos wanted out of their country?

Seeing how we're fantasizing about the past, toss that into your calculations and see what you come up with.

Colonialism was a fact of life back then, the European (and I include the US) countries divided the world up between them, read a little history and you'll see it was inevitable and unavoidable.

The new colonialism is about "spheres of influence" and we can see the US, China and possibly Russia dividing up the world once again.

I think you could make a good argument that the next major conflict in this region will be between China and Vietnam/Taiwan/Japan; possibly inevitable when the US burns out in the Middle East and re-embraces isolationism.

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BTW, can someone knowledgeable say what Thais are taught in school about the domino theory

Double Blank starts, if you have a double and a single then you can place two pieces down.

The one to place all his pieces down first is the winner.

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I have friends from the NE of Thailand whose families either supported the communist movement or provided aid and support to them--so I think the threat was real. This, by the way, is something they talk about, not something I ever asked about.

Had the US policy in Vietnam been radically different, I doubt that anyone would have cared much about what happened in Thailand. At the time Thailand was important because it was potentially one of the "dominos".

Given the track record of successive gov'ts over the years, I am sure they would have managed to really mess up the concept of communism! Of course, that might not have been a bad thing....

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Even Noam Chomsky admits that the U.S. "won" in Vietnam in the long run. It's called Capitalism! :o

Got that right, Ulysses G.

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Would The Thai Domino Have Fallen In The Sixties?

Better question is whether or not Pattaya would exist if it were not an R&R center then, eh? :o

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Would The Thai Domino Have Fallen In The Sixties?

Better question is whether or not Pattaya would exist if it were not an R&R center then, eh? :o

Pattaya would not exist, if a small british convoy had not been delayed in the village there in may 62 and a small detachment were left there to guard a broken down Scammell and lowloader loaded with plant equipment, news soon spread about this beachside paradise,aussie troops started dropping in for a beer, we even allowed the odd septic from Uta pao to socialise, at the end of the year the first shop and bar opened ,early 63 the first group of girls and mengdahs appeared and the rest is history. :D Nignoy

PS the photo is Pattaya early 1964

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Can we throw in another "what if"?

What if the french never came to Southeast Asia and there were no other countries like the French that Vietnam and Laos wanted out of their country?

Seeing how we're fantasizing about the past, toss that into your calculations and see what you come up with.

Colonialism was a fact of life back then, the European (and I include the US) countries divided the world up between them, read a little history and you'll see it was inevitable and unavoidable.

The new colonialism is about "spheres of influence" and we can see the US, China and possibly Russia dividing up the world once again.

I think you could make a good argument that the next major conflict in this region will be between China and Vietnam/Taiwan/Japan; possibly inevitable when the US burns out in the Middle East and re-embraces isolationism.

Colonialism is one thing but forced labor and slavery is another matter. French policy in Indo-China raped the land of it's natural resources and treasures at the expense of the indigenious people of Laos and Vietnam. Had they not been so agressive perhaps they would have not been forced to leave and they still might be there today.

As it was, the U.S. rejected Ho Chi Mehn request for assistance in ridding the country of the French and Ho Chi Mehn turned to the Soviet Union for help.

The rest, as they say, is history. The history of Vietnam goes back a bit furthur than the 50s, 60s, and 70. Here is a good website you can read to get more of an insight to it's past. http://countrystudies.us/vietnam/

I can see George Bush dividing up the world but not all of the USA feels as he does. As George Bush fades away into the history books, I think his agressive foreign policy will go with him.

I agree China will play a big part in the future of the world. But I also think Venuzuela will also be involved. Their oil reserves give them a lot of political and financial power in that region of the world. Recently, they have been reaching out to other areas of the world doing business while at the same time spreading their ideology to anyone who would listen.

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Not sure I can see where you're coming from. The idea of any SE Asian country still being under the European colonial yoke in this day and age is a bit unique to say the least.

I can see George Bush dividing up the world but not all of the USA feels as he does. As George Bush fades away into the history books, I think his agressive foreign policy will go with him.

We live in a society where politicians dominate us by fear. We vote for strong bad government over good government we worry may be weak every time.

The US will step on Venezuela like a bug very soon. The only thing that keeps Cuba going is it hasn't got any oil.

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I have friends from the NE of Thailand whose families either supported the communist movement or provided aid and support to them--so I think the threat was real. This, by the way, is something they talk about, not something I ever asked about.

Had the US policy in Vietnam been radically different, I doubt that anyone would have cared much about what happened in Thailand. At the time Thailand was important because it was potentially one of the "dominos".

Given the track record of successive gov'ts over the years, I am sure they would have managed to really mess up the concept of communism! Of course, that might not have been a bad thing....

well i guess i was mislead in some books about the level of communist resistence in the north.

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I have friends from the NE of Thailand whose families either supported the communist movement or provided aid and support to them--so I think the threat was real. This, by the way, is something they talk about, not something I ever asked about.

Had the US policy in Vietnam been radically different, I doubt that anyone would have cared much about what happened in Thailand. At the time Thailand was important because it was potentially one of the "dominos".

Given the track record of successive gov'ts over the years, I am sure they would have managed to really mess up the concept of communism! Of course, that might not have been a bad thing....

well i guess i was mislead in some books about the level of communist resistence in the north.

Usually the people who have actually taken part in these conflicts get ridiculed or called liars even! by the people who write the fiction :D check out Kranji war cemetary for commonwealth graves of soldiers who lost their lives in North east thailand 62 to 65 :o Nignoy
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This article I found, seems to give some good insights on the background, of the French influence in the Viet Nam issue. It seems that their colonial policies influenced the US in a very unfortunate way.

It is a rather long article, relating to aircraft, but the second paragraph may be interesting to some.

You can Google it, just type COIN: French Counter-Insurgency Aircraft, 1946-1965

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I have friends from the NE of Thailand whose families either supported the communist movement or provided aid and support to them--so I think the threat was real. This, by the way, is something they talk about, not something I ever asked about.

Had the US policy in Vietnam been radically different, I doubt that anyone would have cared much about what happened in Thailand. At the time Thailand was important because it was potentially one of the "dominos".

Given the track record of successive gov'ts over the years, I am sure they would have managed to really mess up the concept of communism! Of course, that might not have been a bad thing....

well i guess i was mislead in some books about the level of communist resistence in the north.

it constantly surprises me how short peoples memories are in regards to the slaughter by the communists in the last century. in like just 20 years, people have forgotten what happened in cambodia back in 1976, or the massive slaughters by castro and mao. and now, people are trying to rewrite the history books to erase this genocide. and in the process tarnish americas role in all this. if it wasn't for america and the western allies, communist dictators all over the world would be controlling your lifes today.

check out the following website for some numbers...

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

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