Rising Anti-Israel Sentiments in Pai Following Tourists Misconduct

[RJRS1301]

On 2/10/2025 at 8:28 AM, Jingthing said:

Any person, Jewish, Israeli, or anything else that supports the right of Israel to exist is pro Zionist.

You have no understanding of what Zionism means.

Zionism does not conflate with current Israeli government policies.

Most current Israelis are NOT of European descent.

You're thinking of American Jews.

The Jewish people in general most definitely do have a historical connection to Israel. 

Older than Arabs for sure.

Israeli is a Jewish majority middle eastern country.

You're spouting ignorant propaganda.

Please do not feel you are the ultimate authority on either Judaism or Zionism, you are

Check the heritage registers for DNA of current Israelis 

You have no idea or understanding or knowledge of my heritage or birthrights

You tend to pontificate without full knowledge, my opinions are as valid as you consider yours to be

I fully understand the differences between Judaism & Zionism

 

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please do not feel you are the ultimate authority on either Judaism or Zionism, you are

Check the heritage registers for DNA of current Israelis 

You have no idea or understanding or knowledge of my heritage or birthrights

You tend to pontificate without full knowledge, my opinions are as valid as you consider yours to be

I fully understand the differences between Judaism & Zionism

 

For one example of the misinformation that you posted which I replied to was your objectively false assertion that the majority of Israelis are of "European" descent. That incorrect attack trope is often used by Israel demonizers and/or antisemites to deny the legitimacy of the state of Israel to even exist on land in the Middle East. I will post a link proving my point.

 

Of course I am not the "ultimate" authority about anything and I never claimed to be that. Nobody is. So that attack by you is totally moronic weak tea.

 

How would I know the heritage of you specifically? I don't know you from Adam. I have no idea of your ethnicity. If you posted about it, I didn't commit it to memory.

 

So you say you know the difference between Judaism and Zionism. Good on you.

 

Do you also understand that Jews are an ethnoreligious group so exist as a people and not only a religion, and there is no need to be a practicing Jew to be a Jew?

 

Ashkenazi Jews in Israel - Wikipedia

[quake]

One more storm in a tea cup. 

 

[JimHuaHin]

Being Israeli or Jewish does not equate with Zionism.

 

There are many many anti-Zionists in Israel and amongst the non-Israel overseas Jewish communities.

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

Being Israeli or Jewish does not equate with Zionism.

 

There are many many anti-Zionists in Israel and amongst the non-Israel overseas Jewish communities.

I agree it does not equate.

I am using the definition of Zionism to mean supporting the existence of the state of Israel (not necessarily their policies, many of which have obviously been horrible).

So in that sense the vast majority of Israeli citizens who are Jews are definitely pro Zionist.

Lower support with Arab Israelis of course and yes among diaspora Jews there is majority pro Zionist support but not at Israeli levels.

Cheers.

[Greenhill]

On 2/11/2025 at 7:18 AM, The Old Bull said:

The figures speak for themselves.

What figures?   The figures put out by the terrorist organisation, Hamas - not differentiating between terrorists & civilians?    

[Centigrade32]

7 hours ago, Greenhill said:

What figures?   The figures put out by the terrorist organisation, Hamas - not differentiating between terrorists & civilians?    

 

70% of the dead are women and children. With most of the children aged between 5 and 9 years old? Would you like to dispute that too?

[Centigrade32]

14 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

@Centigrade32  I was responding to the use of "Palestine"  in a post that has since been deleted.   I wanted to  emphasize Palestine had never been anyone's homeland until 1988 when the PLO declared the state of Palestine,    It could have been their home region, but not their home country.

 

To discuss the entire background of the formation of the state of Israel- who owned what land when- is clearly off topic and I won't go there.  But it does give me an idea to start a thread about  who owned  land and lived in Palestine before 1948.  

 

Home region, but not home country? What is this play on words? They lived there, until there was a plan to acquire the land for the minority population to grow and gradually take over the land. This is the reality. No need for semantics.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

70% of the dead are women and children. With most of the children aged between 5 and 9 years old? Would you like to dispute that too?

Simply not true

 

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[Greenhill]

1 minute ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

70% of the dead are women and children. With most of the children aged between 5 and 9 years old? Would you like to dispute that too?

And as I said, you are believing figures put out by a terrorist organisation.   Do you KNOW that 70% were women & children?   Did you ever question why these people were not taking shelter in the extensive tunnels that Hamas built, just to protect themselves?   When rockets are fired at Israel, sirens go off, alerting people to immediately to go into shelters or 'safe rooms', hence minimising casualties.    Wonder why Hamas didn't think of this basic, fundamental plan for Gaza?   Is it because they couldn't care less about Gazan civilians - only themselves?    That would surely increase the % of civilian deaths.

[Evil Penevil]

6 hours ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

Home region, but not home country? What is this play on words? They lived there, until there was a plan to acquire the land for the minority population to grow and gradually take over the land. This is the reality. No need for semantics.

 

It's not a play on words, but as you say, reality, not semantics.  A home region is a geographical area, while a home country is a political entity.  A person can be born and live all his or her life in North America, Southeast Asia or  Western Europe.  They can be correctly described as North American, Southeast Asian or Western European in terms of national origin, but they can't be citizens of any of the three regions because they aren't countries or other political entities which confer citizenship.

 

Same-same with Palestine and Palestinians.  Before 1988- go back as far in time as you want - people who were born and lived in the area today regarded as historical Palestine weren't subjects or citizens of any kingdom or country called Palestine. But you knew that already.

 

In the later half of the 19th century and first two decades of the 20th century, they would have been subjects of the Ottoman Empire, which didn't have a nationality law until 1869.  During the years of Mandatory Palestine (1920-1948), they would have been British Protected Persons but not British subjects.  After the British withdrew and the Mandate for Palestine ceased to exist, the citizenship of Palestinian Arabs became complicated.  Most became citizens of Jordan, some became citizens of Israel and others remained stateless.  The Palestinian Authority has issued "passports" since 1995.  While they are accepted by numerous countries as valid travel documents, they aren't generally regarded as proof of citizenship.