BBC with a brutal takedown of Ukrainian hopes

[scottiejohn]

41 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What do you think, your pathetic little country matters?

What do you think, your pathetic little country matters?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Hellfire said:

 To label Ukrainians, who have been sacrificing their lives daily and shedding their own blood on the battlefields for nearly three years, as leeches, money launderers, or swindlers is beyond my comprehension of good and evil; it surpasses any sense of decency. Such remarks are the musings of talking flies, utterly ignorant of human dignity. Is this truly the real face of Trump's supporters? I would hate to believe it!

Tragically yes.

[scottiejohn]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Its 'world leader Putin' 

Not yet!

But it is what he will be now that Trump will let him become it!

[still kicking]

26 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

That poster is just SICK!

He refers to Australia as a sick little  country Australia is as big as the US and is a conontinet get an education 

[frank83628]

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Not yet!

But it is what he will be now that Trump will let him become it!

He didn't need Trumps approval .

You need to get to the reality that 'the West' is actually only 13% of the worlds population, change you news channels, you might learn something.

[theblether]

If I've ever regretted starting a thread..................................🥲

 

[uncletiger]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

This unnecessary and completely invented war by the globalist elite Putin!

 

What's truly sad is you actually believe that.  That's why the world has to endure what is happening right now.  It's going to take something genuinely horrific to break you out of the spell you are under and see reality.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, bokningar said:

Think you better listen to what he says, everything until Portugal is his. He seam to be crazy enough to do it.

With what, dentally challenged conscripts with AKs? 

 

He has virtually no Airforce, no pilots with combat experience, no modern mechanized infantry, no worth a poop air defense systems, no modern tactical doctrine, no combined arms experience and no industrial base to even beat a bunch of rag tags like the Ukraine. He has tanks from WW2 and North Korean soldiers fighting in front of blocking units, his tanks wouldnt make it overland to the German border. He has Drones and missiles. They dont win and hold territory

 

Putin is a revanchist thug running a thug country where one rises to the top by being the tougher thug. He has no ideology but power, for himself and mother Russia. He has a gas station with nuclear weapons, a third world country with nukes, and you wonder how many would even take off.

 

Putin has been playing on, quite successfully, the traditional fear of the Russian bear, coupled with their success against the Germans, but its not 1942 and he doesnt have a lunatic to lose to him. The very fact that the Ukes are holding Russian territory shows how weak he is.

 

But. But. He has the secret weapon. An innumerable supply of cannon fodder, a terrorized population and the asiatic brutality which is inherent in the barbaric soul of Russians. He'll keep going to the last man. When you take into account the fratricidal nature of this war caused by Western stupidity, it serves no ones interest to continue. Let Putin jerkoff in the Donbas ruins while the world moves on, upward hopefully, and after he kicks off maybe, just maybe, the Russian people can do something with their faecalhole country for the first time in the history of that pestiferous country.

[TedG]

3 hours ago, TheAppletons said:

I realize this is an absolutely crazy idea but....shouldn't the countries of Europe defend against aggression toward the other countries of Europe?  

You would figure the Euro zone would take the lead on solving this war.  

[uncletiger]

6 minutes ago, theblether said:

If I've ever regretted starting a thread..................................🥲

 

 

Oh come on. It's been interesting. The resolution of this war is going to go down in the history books.

 

Who knows? Maybe some scholar in 50 years might find exactly what he needs to support his thesis in this thread.

[frank83628]

24 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

What do you think, your pathetic little country matters?

Youre scottish right?.

[NickyLouie]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Tragically yes.

 

Only thing tragic is how the EU is pssing all over themselves now they have to fund this BS war.

 

 

[Yagoda]

29 minutes ago, swissie said:

I know. Few others seem to know. Whatever "more" the Russians will get, it will be a "windfall-profit" thanks to their military effort.

Putin will have to trade something to get the Ukrainians out of Kharkov. 

 

IMHO, the key to the whole war was not as much Kiev, as Odessa, since Odessa is historically  a Russian city on former Tatar land, if my recollection is correct. I wonder what will be put in place to ensure a non repeat of conflict.

 

Half of this war is based on historical ignorance and Ukrainian propaganda. You see it all the time here.

[Yagoda]

31 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

What do you think, your pathetic little country matters?

Hi Scotty. I see you are really yapping now. Want a cookie?

[TedG]

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Putin will have to trade something to get the Ukrainians out of Kharkov. 

 

IMHO, the key to the whole war was not as much Kiev, as Odessa, since Odessa is historically  a Russian city on former Tatar land, if my recollection is correct. I wonder what will be put in place to ensure a non repeat of conflict.

 

Half of this war is based on historical ignorance and Ukrainian propaganda. You see it all the time here.

Russia agreed to respect Ukraine’s borders  This shows that you can’t trust a Russian. 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Russia agreed to respect Ukraine’s borders  This shows that you can’t trust a Russian. 

And did it take this war for you to come to that conclusion?

[swissie]

54 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

And you of course are very happy with that one sided solution ending to an unprovoked invasion!

No, I am not happy at all the way things turned out.

 

BUT: After the end of the Cold War, the Russians have never understood why NATO has expanded to the east. Who else is in the East exept Russia? Of course they started wondering why NATO started to get closer to their territory, in a time when officially the Cold War had ended.

 

IMHO, the eastward expansion of NATO was the dumbest thing the "west" has fabricated since the end of WW2. Completely uncalled for.

 

Imagine this: If the newborn Pancho Villa would gather Mexican military forces to re-conquer California, Arizona and New Mexico? As they have been there before? Even Donald and his Muskrat would claim to be "encirceled".

 

Nobody likes to be "ganged-up". Not in your neighborhood and not if States (NATO) do the same thing.

 

I remain, uncalled for eastward expansion of NATO will go down in history as one of the greates "blunders" that the West ever produced.

NATO must close the door for potential "Newcomers". Georgia next? Unlike the Ukraine, Georgia could be occupied by Russian forces within 3 weeks.

 

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, swissie said:

No, I am not happy at all the way things turned out.

 

BUT: After the end of the Cold War, the Russians have never understood why NATO has expanded to the east. Who else is in the East exept Russia? Of course they started wondering why NATO started to get closer to their territory, in a time when officially the Cold War had ended.

 

IMHO, the eastward expansion of NATO was the dumbest thing the "west" has fabricated since the end of WW2. Completely uncalled for.

 

Imagine this: If the newborn Pancho Villa would gather Mexican military forces to re-conquer California, Arizona and New Mexico? As they have been there before? Even Donald and his Muskrat would claim to be "encirceled".

 

Nobody likes to be "ganged-up". Not in your neighborhood and not if States (NATO) do the same thing.

 

I remain, uncalled for eastward expansion of NATO will go down in history as one of the greates "blunders" that the West ever produced.

NATO must close the door for potential "Newcomers". Georgia next? Unlike the Ukraine, Georgia could be occupied by Russian forces within 3 weeks.

 

Glad to see someone else here knows whats what. Compound the blunder with the fact that you are dealing with Putin and Russia.

[theblether]

47 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

 

Oh come on. It's been interesting. The resolution of this war is going to go down in the history books.

 

Who knows? Maybe some scholar in 50 years might find exactly what he needs to support his thesis in this thread.

 

Russia has just said any peace deal will include Ukrainian input - bursting a stupid bubble floated by Zelensky that he wouldn't accept a deal done between the USA and Russia with his involvement. As if that was ever going to happen. 

[theblether]

25 minutes ago, swissie said:

No, I am not happy at all the way things turned out.

 

BUT: After the end of the Cold War, the Russians have never understood why NATO has expanded to the east. Who else is in the East exept Russia? Of course they started wondering why NATO started to get closer to their territory, in a time when officially the Cold War had ended.

 

IMHO, the eastward expansion of NATO was the dumbest thing the "west" has fabricated since the end of WW2. Completely uncalled for.

 

Imagine this: If the newborn Pancho Villa would gather Mexican military forces to re-conquer California, Arizona and New Mexico? As they have been there before? Even Donald and his Muskrat would claim to be "encirceled".

 

Nobody likes to be "ganged-up". Not in your neighborhood and not if States (NATO) do the same thing.

 

I remain, uncalled for eastward expansion of NATO will go down in history as one of the greates "blunders" that the West ever produced.

NATO must close the door for potential "Newcomers". Georgia next? Unlike the Ukraine, Georgia could be occupied by Russian forces within 3 weeks.

 

 

Aye, well, the Eastern expansion of NATO was started by Clinton, who just happens to be a Democrat. 

 

I'm starting to see a pattern form here. 

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah, those Chinese are gonna school us with their Socialist military tactics and organization and all the combat hours their pilots and cadre have. All those sorties off their carriers and their amphibious experience. 

 

Like who do you think is not going to help us? Japan? They will do what they are told, its their back yard. Europe? They will be begging for us to make the Israelis give them air cover.

 

What do you think, your pathetic little country matters? Where are you from, Belgium?  Germany? hahahahahah

I’m the guy who’ll be eating popcorn when your country is humiliated by its enemies … only this time it will be so much worse than Vietnam. 

[TedG]

48 minutes ago, swissie said:

No, I am not happy at all the way things turned out.

 

BUT: After the end of the Cold War, the Russians have never understood why NATO has expanded to the east. Who else is in the East exept Russia? Of course they started wondering why NATO started to get closer to their territory, in a time when officially the Cold War had ended.

 

IMHO, the eastward expansion of NATO was the dumbest thing the "west" has fabricated since the end of WW2. Completely uncalled for.

 

Imagine this: If the newborn Pancho Villa would gather Mexican military forces to re-conquer California, Arizona and New Mexico? As they have been there before? Even Donald and his Muskrat would claim to be "encirceled".

 

Nobody likes to be "ganged-up". Not in your neighborhood and not if States (NATO) do the same thing.

 

I remain, uncalled for eastward expansion of NATO will go down in history as one of the greates "blunders" that the West ever produced.

NATO must close the door for potential "Newcomers". Georgia next? Unlike the Ukraine, Georgia could be occupied by Russian forces within 3 weeks.

 

 

Counties joined NATO because they didn't want anything to do with Russia.   They seek protection from Russia, and the invasion Ukraine shows they made the correct decision. 

[beautifulthailand99]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

With what, dentally challenged conscripts with AKs? 

 

He has virtually no Airforce, no pilots with combat experience, no modern mechanized infantry, no worth a poop air defense systems, no modern tactical doctrine, no combined arms experience and no industrial base to even beat a bunch of rag tags like the Ukraine. He has tanks from WW2 and North Korean soldiers fighting in front of blocking units, his tanks wouldnt make it overland to the German border. He has Drones and missiles. They dont win and hold territory

 

Putin is a revanchist thug running a thug country where one rises to the top by being the tougher thug. He has no ideology but power, for himself and mother Russia. He has a gas station with nuclear weapons, a third world country with nukes, and you wonder how many would even take off.

 

Putin has been playing on, quite successfully, the traditional fear of the Russian bear, coupled with their success against the Germans, but its not 1942 and he doesnt have a lunatic to lose to him. The very fact that the Ukes are holding Russian territory shows how weak he is.

 

But. But. He has the secret weapon. An innumerable supply of cannon fodder, a terrorized population and the asiatic brutality which is inherent in the barbaric soul of Russians. He'll keep going to the last man. When you take into account the fratricidal nature of this war caused by Western stupidity, it serves no ones interest to continue. Let Putin jerkoff in the Donbas ruins while the world moves on, upward hopefully, and after he kicks off maybe, just maybe, the Russian people can do something with their faecalhole country for the first time in the history of that pestiferous country.

His greatest assett is sitting in the White House. And in my 63 years that is more than a stunning sucess.

[candide]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

He didn't need Trumps approval .

You need to get to the reality that 'the West' is actually only 13% of the worlds population, change you news channels, you might learn something.

And Russia is 1.7%. And its main neighbour is China with 17% of the world's population! 😆

[beautifulthailand99]

Sometimes BBC reporter calls it right.  

 

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

His greatest assett is sitting in the White House. And in my 63 years that is more than a stunning sucess.

You are a liar and can show nothing that demonstrates that Donald Trump is an asset of Putin.

[beautifulthailand99]

Just now, Yagoda said:

You are a liar and can show nothing that demonstrates that Donald Trump is an asset of Putin.

"By their deeds shall ye know them" Trump Bible New Testament

[Yagoda]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

"By their deeds shall ye know them" Trump Bible New Testament

That says nothing. You have nothing. You're just babbling to support your Ukrainian friends

[beautifulthailand99]

Just now, Yagoda said:

That says nothing. You have nothing. You're just babbling to support your Ukrainian friends

You really don't know me. But I think I know you.

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You really don't know me. But I think I know you.

Well that's special and adds a lot to your argument. What's your point?