Solutions Sought for Dealing with Unruly Tourists in Mae Hong Son

[norsurin]

Now the policechief in Thailand told the police to clear everything in 7 days.The foreigner who brake the laws will be deported.This mean all over Thailand but specially in PAI and Phuket.

[khaowong1]

14 hours ago, hotsun said:

Thailand will wish they had this problem in the future, when it will no longer be considered a cool destination for young people. Thailand will be recognized as a major polluter and contributor to the climate change narrative with the rest of Asia

The majority of tourists come to Thailand to party.  They can easily go somewhere else.  

[Young Hick]

16 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

It is just Pai, one town, not the whole province.

And the Pai River famous for tubing is not even in Thailand but in another country - Myanmar.

[Young Hick]

7 hours ago, ukrules said:

As with many things in life - it's a trade off.

 

They want tourism money, well that brings all sorts of issues.

Anywhere that becomes extremely popular is doomed to go down the road of 'Benidorm' in Spain.

Some could be doomed but if done properly, the tourist issues could just be a phase of 5 phases.  First, it's the younger rowdy crowd tourists.   They drink, they pollute, they mess things up and go.  Second, the trickling in of businesses and accommodations to cater to the tourists.  Third, the catering of accommodations to more moneyed individuals, this means the modern skyscraper resorts.  Fourth ...the arrival of the clientele of these skyscrapers -- the moneyed individuals in for the long-term.  They are older/more mature, less noisy, does not pollute.   Fifth and final stage, with time, the settlement of the area into an uplifted livelihood and gentrified surrounding.  

 

[Young Hick]

7 hours ago, BusyB said:

 

Yeah, I was thinking with your first post here: it seems like a hangover from colonial days. When the troops went in and said sod local laws, we rule here. We have impunity.

 

You get the same with far too many tourists and expats nowadays, including posters here who you can tell look down on Thais and their laws and traditions like colonial conquerors and have little respect or understanding for them. And when the Thais respond then whinge and howl and suddenly they're victims.

 

Most 'western' tourists have grown up in countries with exactly this kind of entitled mindset. Not the majority, but a big enough minority then become a problem abroad. And with cheaper fares and budget hotels they can run riot on Thai streets instead of back home in Brentford or wherever on a Saturday night at 10.30 chucking out time (my age showing there).

 

Noone, least of all the Thais regards tourists like in that picture at the top as a 'problem'. But they do regard work without WP, overstaying, violent disorder and other breaches of THEIR laws as a problem.

 

In fact I get the impression they're far more lenient than they should be, and probably a lot more lenient than what many of the primitive wazzocks who disgrace the rest of us would face back home.

 

 

 

Very much agree with this comment.   I'm appalled at some of the posters here.   A good example is Yagoda having the nerve to say something like "I'm American I look down upon others."    As an American myself, that is not how we operate.  In fact, the more privileged a person  is, the more humble should one be.  

[Yagoda]

4 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

So boringly yappy.  Do you not realise just what an idiot you make of yourself with your responses of a 5 YO. 

Yapyapyap you keep coming back

[Young Hick]

I think it's important to see foreigners in Thailand from 2 perspectives each with 2 slices.   

First, there is young tourist folks.   Second, are old settler folks.   And then you have the slices of good and bad in both.   

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Young Hick said:

Very much agree with this comment.   I'm appalled at some of the posters here.   A good example is Yagoda having the nerve to say something like "I'm American I look down upon others."    As an American myself, that is not how we operate.  In fact, the more privileged a person  is, the more humble should one be.  

I'm very humble, I don't need to express my superiority at every turn . But I'm not going to hide it.. You don't like freedom of speech evidently. And if you're an American that thinks someone in the Congo is as lucky as you then I feel sorry for you.

[Young Hick]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I'm very humble, I don't need to express my superiority at every turn . But I'm not going to hide it.. You don't like freedom of speech evidently. And if you're an American that thinks someone in the Congo is as lucky as you then I feel sorry for you.

So maybe it's just poor working on your part when you said "rightfully I look down on others".   I am fairly new to the boards so I have not much history of posters here.  Sounds like you meant to say we're just luckier, which is not really looking down on people.  Looking down on comes with  impositions of superiority which is bad.  I think we're okay.   

[CG1 Blue]

Legalising weed has made Thailand the go-to place for the 18-30 crowd, mostly males. Sadly places like MHS are quickly becoming the new Magaluf. 

 

I'm trying to comfort myself with those famous words....This too shall pass 

[madone]

none of this is new, the only thing new is the attention it receives nationally because there is always some <deleted> around with a camera pandering to the masses on social media for likes.

Racism aside, Israelis, Germans, Russians, Brits and many others have all have had their day in the sun as Thailand's most hated international flavour.    

[madone]

12 hours ago, norsurin said:

Kick out the male foreigners without foreskin.Problem solved.

 

That's me and over half the Canadians of my generation gone. 

[blaze master]

17 hours ago, hotsun said:

Thailand will wish they had this problem in the future, when it will no longer be considered a cool destination for young people. Thailand will be recognized as a major polluter and contributor to the climate change narrative with the rest of Asia

 

Not sure why you got the cry baby emoji's to this post.

 

You're dead on. 

[Patong2021]

16 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, I am. Means that I am not following the trend, to look down on Thai that seems to be the par on this forum. 

 

it is not looking down on Thais to point out their habit of littering. There is a soi not far from where I am where flytippers come. Disgusting. people toss their garbage on the beach here and so on.

 

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Increase the requirements for visas, screen all Chinese and Russians, and stop the utter desperation for ever higher tourists arrival numbers. 

Problem solved. 

 

There really isn't a problem with the Chinese. For the most part, I believe that they they have one of the lowest per visitor problem rates for Thailand. How many Chinese do we see or read about getting into fights  or shoplifting or murdering people? Have there been any Chinese  suicides in the numbers we see with  westerners?

 

5 hours ago, norsurin said:

Now the policechief in Thailand told the police to clear everything in 7 days.The foreigner who brake the laws will be deported.This mean all over Thailand but specially in PAI and Phuket.

 

For those of us who have been around for some years, the claims of crackdown is a tired empty response. It's like traffic law enforcement.  On for a few days and then when the coppers get tired of doing a proper job, they revert to their lazy uninterested ways.

 

4 hours ago, khaowong1 said:

The majority of tourists come to Thailand to party.  They can easily go somewhere else.  

 

Where? Be real.  The world has changed. Miami Beach it was once the party  destination for young people. No more. The city bans the sale of alcohol from corner stores after 10 PM. It increased beach parking rates  to discourage some visitors. The Canary Islands and the sun destinations of Spain all have locals harassing tourists and protesting their presence. Venice wants tourists gone. Amsterdam, once the destination for potheads and ravers is implementing visitor capacity restrictions. It wants fewer tourists. And so on.

Let's be real, Vietnam and Cambodia have cultures very different from Thailand. As bad as Thailand is, they are worse. The Philippines is a basket case. No partying in Malaysia and Indonesia comes with its own set of dysfunction and perils. Singapore is wonderful, but most can neither afford it, nor are they prepared for the draconian laws.

 

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Legalising weed has made Thailand the go-to place for the 18-30 crowd, mostly males. Sadly places like MHS are quickly becoming the new Magaluf. 

 

I'm trying to comfort myself with those famous words....This too shall pass 

 

I don't know about that. Whenever I walk by a cannabis shop, the only  people I see visiting are 50 + year olds farangs. The Under 30 year olds  who smoke cannabis are not coming to Thailand because it is legal. They were smoking  cannabis in Thailand long before it was.  They are just more visible. Thailand is not as affordable as it  was 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago. As a result, the under 30 year olds are not staying very long.

 

 

[Aussie999]

12 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

So, you have to remove alcohol to take care of the problem? Are for real! We are talking about adults, that are supposed to have a brain. Just because something is available, does not mean anybody encourage anybody to do anything.

we are talking about young people, whose brains do not mature until, in most cases, around 25 yo... You might have taken longer, who are encouraged to come to these parties/festivals and drink and use drugs, what thinking brain can't see there will be problems.... Oh, wait, you can't.

Sorry, I will no longer entertain you on this issue, you obviously have no idea on human behaviour. Have a nice day.

[Scouse123]

21 hours ago, BritManToo said:

They want our money, but they don't want us.

As for respecting the environment, I'll bet we leave less litter than a crowd of Thais.  

 

I have to go along with that.

 

But it's not the lady or man in the street with these policies, it's the elites running government.

[steven100]

9 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

So boringly yappy.  Do you not realise just what an idiot you make of yourself with your responses of a 5 YO. 

i love it when you guys start arguing and fighting amongst yourselves,  it just lifts the thread up a notch ...  thanks    !    keep it up ...