Trump Joins the Axis. NATO Dead. WW111 Imminent?

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

The kill ratio of Russian soldiers vs. Ukrainian soldiers is 4 Russians to 1 Ukrainian. Russia has lost about 4000 tanks. Every day in May-June 2024, Russia was losing 1200 men.

 

NATO has not even started a war with Russia, there are no European boots on the ground.

 

Do you think Putin would beg North Korea for soldiers and ammunition if he was winning?

 

Let's say Europe puts soldiers into Ukraine. How much better trained and armed do you think they will be than the average Russian conscript?

 

Putin is the warmonger, that's the reality.

You have actual proof of this?. because it basically western propaganda central.

 

US Are the warmongers, all ways have been. You country was independent under Howard, sonce then its US fluffer  puppet

[GammaGlobulin]

10 hours ago, Old Croc said:

The US President is expanding his lies and ambitions beyond his moronic followers at home  and is siding with former world adverseries against former allies. He is lying on the world stage and the outcome will be dire for Ukraine and perilous for other European countries in Russias territorial gun sights.  He is cutting historic ties with Europe, Britain and even close neighbors. He is placing personal wealth, power or embarrassment before world order. One man, and a coven of craven, religious nutcases, may destroy the planet. 

 

'I think that's over': Retired general declares death of key U.S. alliance

 

 

GO...TRUMP....GO....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I, for one, LOVE.....Trump.

 

He is not what you might think.

One needs to comprehend the .....

 

TRUMP GESTALT

 

And, IMHO....

Most guys of lesser IQ....unlike Elon....

 

Just do not GET the Trump Gestalt.

 

I get it, though.

And, you should...too....

 

Hopeless....if you do not, OF COURSE....

 

 

[scottiejohn]

55 minutes ago, mogandave said:

And during the Presidential campaign, Harris said she wanted to close the border and get tough on crime. 

 

Lying, leftist, effing hypocrites.

What a pointless post,

Trump was elected, unfortunately,!

As she was not elected the border closure obviously did not happen on her non existent watch!

How do you know if ANY presidential candidate will actually do what they promised to do on the campaign trail once they get into office? 

I can think of many that Trump has not achieved!

[thesetat]

2 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Let's face it, the EU is lazy.  

I disagree. They seem to be in the news quite a lot working very hard to destroy ethics, morals, and values as well as allowing anyone enter the country to protest. 

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The kill ratio of Russian soldiers vs. Ukrainian soldiers is 4 Russians to 1 Ukrainian. Russia has lost about 4000 tanks. Every day in May-June 2024, Russia was losing 1200 men.

 

NATO has not even started a war with Russia, there are no European boots on the ground.

 

Do you think Putin would beg North Korea for soldiers and ammunition if he was winning?

 

Let's say Europe puts soldiers into Ukraine. How much better trained and armed do you think they will be than the average Russian conscript?

 

Putin is the warmonger, that's the reality.

No one knows the true figures and both sides are and have a huge reason to distort them. It's huge figures on both sides and likely numerical parity. The Russian superiority in arty and FAB bombs over the last year has guaranteed that. Trump keeps mentioning millions and he will have the best briefing around so I'll go with at a million dead and injured on both sides.

[theblether]

12 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No one knows the true figures and both sides are and have a huge reason to distort them. It's huge figures on both sides and likely numerical parity. The Russian superiority in arty and FAB bombs over the last year has guaranteed that. Trump keeps mentioning millions and he will have the best briefing around so I'll go with at a million dead and injured on both sides.

 

4 to 1 casualty rate is impossible in modern warfare, It's actually embarrassing that a grown man would post such fanciful drivel. 

 

Independent Ukrainian officials are saying the casualty list is north of 500,000. I believe that. The Russians have not lost 2 million, no way. 

 

If the 500,000 figure is correct, that really means around 250,000 Ukr troops are dead or suffering life changing injuries. PTSD will devastate many of the remaining 250,000. 

 

What Ukraine is now actually playing with is the viability of their country. 

 

What makes it worse is that it's estimated that 1 million breeding age women have left the country. Many of these will never return, many are already in long term relationships all across the EU and elsewhere. 

 

The birthrate was already catastrophic. The only saving grace for the pro-Ukr contingent is that Russia is also on the edge of a demographic meltdown. 

 

Do your bit for the war effort - if you see a random Russian lady wandering around, marry her and keep her in Thailand. If enough of you do that there won't be enough Russian soldiers wandering around in 20 years. 

[jts-khorat]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It will stop as soon as America cuts off the $$. Round about now then.

 

The USA are obligated by treaty to defend the Ukraine, within their full territory. They promised so in the Budapest Memorandum, in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes.

 

Do all those MAGA followers want to tell me, that the word of an American cannot be trusted??!

 

(a rhetorical question BTW, looking at all the contracts the United States did with other nations, from their inception onwards until today -- Native Indians, Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan, etc etc. We Europeans know that whenever an American talks about democracy and freedom, he is talking out of his ass, but I guess the time has come to get emboldened and finally throw off the American yoke)

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

4 to 1 casualty rate is impossible in modern warfare, It's actually embarrassing that a grown man would post such fanciful drivel. 

 

Independent Ukrainian officials are saying the casualty list is north of 500,000. I believe that. The Russians have not lost 2 million, no way. 

 

If the 500,000 figure is correct, that really means around 250,000 Ukr troops are dead or suffering life changing injuries. PTSD will devastate many of the remaining 250,000. 

 

What Ukraine is now actually playing with is the viability of their country. 

 

What makes it worse is that it's estimated that 1 million breeding age women have left the country. Many of these will never return, many are already in long term relationships all across the UE and elsewhere. 

Ukraine is basically a failed state when the fighting and money stops and it will and the west will quitely forget they ever cared if indeed they ever did.

[mogandave]

27 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

What a pointless post,

Trump was elected, unfortunately,!

As she was not elected the border closure obviously did not happen on her non existent watch!

How do you know if ANY presidential candidate will actually do what they promised to do on the campaign trail once they get into office? 

I can think of many that Trump has not achieved!

Trump seems to be trying to do what he promised. 

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

The USA are obligated by treaty to defend the Ukraine, within their full territory. They promised so in the Budapest Memorandum, in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes.

 

Do all those MAGA followers want to tell me, that the word of an American cannot be trusted??!

 

(a rhetorical question BTW, looking at all the contracts the United States did with other nations, from their inception onwards until today -- Native Indians, Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan, etc etc. We Europeans know that whenever an American talks about democracy and freedom, he is talking out of his ass, but I guess the time has come to get emboldened and finally throw off the American yoke)

Ukraine didn't give up their nukes they belonged to the Soviet Union and when that ceased to exist and power receded to Moscow they were effectively useless. Besides which I think it was Bush that promised Gorbachov no expansion of NATO on the eastern flank. Whatever it's a moot point now to reflect on what have might been those ships have long since sailed.

[scottiejohn]

Just now, mogandave said:

Trump seems to be trying to do what he promised. 

Agreed in the sense that he is only trying to do some of them and even then some  are way begin schedule,

Ukraine

Hamas Hostages

Tariffs etc etc

[mogandave]

Just now, scottiejohn said:

Agreed in the sense that he is only trying to do some of them and even then some  are way begin schedule,

Ukraine

Hamas Hostages

Tariffs etc etc

Do you think he’s not trying to end the Ukraine war? Get the Hamas hostages back? Using tariffs?

[scottiejohn]

Just now, mogandave said:

Do you think he’s not trying to end the Ukraine war? Get the Hamas hostages back? Using tariffs?

He said the war would would be ended on day one and last week said that all the hostages would be released last weekend!!

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

He said the war would would be ended on day one and last week said that all the hostages would be released last weekend!!

Got it. 

 

Do you think he’s not trying to end the Ukraine war? Get the Hamas hostages back? Using tariffs?

[SunnyinBangrak]

47 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

The USA are obligated by treaty to defend the Ukraine, within their full territory. They promised so in the Budapest Memorandum, in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes.

 

Do all those MAGA followers want to tell me, that the word of an American cannot be trusted??!

 

(a rhetorical question BTW, looking at all the contracts the United States did with other nations, from their inception onwards until today -- Native Indians, Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan, etc etc. We Europeans know that whenever an American talks about democracy and freedom, he is talking out of his ass, but I guess the time has come to get emboldened and finally throw off the American yoke)

Did this Budapest memorandum you speak of include the right of US vice President Biden to be in charge of Ukraine's judicial system deciding who should be head prosecutor? 

How about US military bases and biolabs in Ukraine? How about Ukraine joining NATO.

Can you try imagining for a minute how the US would feel if Putin was in control of Mexico's judicial system and was firing prosecutors that weren't friendly to his corruption? All cool or could it be a bit inflammatory?

 

 

[Patong2021]

11 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

USSR saved Europe in ww2 

 

To a certain extent it did. Russia  consumed  large amounts of German resources. It was a war of attrition.

[fondue zoo]

I'm not saying anything about anything, enough feisty in here as it is, but do you reckon the NSA is listening in on everything inside the USA and communications coming and going?

How high do they go? Prez, Senators, everybody adjacent etc?

 

_{Dam it, now I'm on the list again. Sorry NSA}

 

[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The cowardly EU needs to send some boots on the ground. 

 

Russia would have committed to an all out war had that occurred.

[blaze master]

45 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Got it. 

 

Do you think he’s not trying to end the Ukraine war? Get the Hamas hostages back? Using tariffs?

 

Got it hahahaha. 

[blaze master]

4 minutes ago, fondue zoo said:

I'm not saying anything about anything, enough feisty in here as it is, but do you reckon the NSA is listening in on everything inside the USA and communications coming and going?

How high do they go? Prez, Senators, everybody adjacent etc?

 

_{Dam it, now I'm on the list again. Sorry NSA}

 

 

I hope they are listening. One poster on here called for Trump to be assassinated.

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Did this Budapest memorandum you speak of include the right of US vice President Biden to be in charge of Ukraine's judicial system deciding who should be head prosecutor? 

How about US military bases and biolabs in Ukraine? How about Ukraine joining NATO.

Can you try imagining for a minute how the US would feel if Putin was in control of Mexico's judicial system and was firing prosecutors that weren't friendly to his corruption? All cool or could it be a bit inflammatory?

 

 

The usual MAGA fact distortion lame tactics.... 

 

The U.S., the IMF, and the EU were financing Ukraine and they all wanted to get rid of this prosecutor because he was not fighting corruption.

 

Fd 1023 anyone! 

 

Oh and more lies. There was no U.S. base in Ukraine

 

[jts-khorat]

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Ukraine didn't give up their nukes they belonged to the Soviet Union and when that ceased to exist and power receded to Moscow they were effectively useless. Besides which I think it was Bush that promised Gorbachov no expansion of NATO on the eastern flank. Whatever it's a moot point now to reflect on what have might been those ships have long since sailed.

 

Factually incorrect.

But even if an American president would have promised something to the Russians, that has nothing to do with Ukraine or their nukes. If you did not notice, Ukraine is a sovereign nation state currently not in NATO. How are they responsible for the USA going back on their word?

 

And Trump is doing the same thing, making "peace deals" without Ukraine present, making promises he has no right to make -- and no ability to keep.

 

In the end it is the USA breaking a written contract, the Budapest Memorandum, signed as an accord to the non-proliferation treaty. They are breaking it now, in typical US oathbreaker fashion, putting the USA in exactly the same category of international pariahs the Russians are in.

 

I hope karma gets to them, the world would frankly be a better place, if the both superpowers, the US and the Russians, break apart in a multitude of tiny statelets, easily de-militarized by more enlightened and cultured people (like the Europeans)

[jts-khorat]

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

Do you think he’s not trying to end the Ukraine war? Get the Hamas hostages back? Using tariffs?

 

In the beginning I thought, that he actually might try, to the best of his diplomatic ability -- which is not and never has been great. Or maybe that he simply was deluded.

 

By now I do think that his crazy statements are not random, they are a perfect smoke screen for a fascist coup. The playbook follows actually pretty close to what Hitler did after he was elected in power: bring industrialists on their side, start removing dissidents, closing down education and arts, spouting imperialist plans to distract the masses (Canada, Panama, Greenland, Gaza).

 

The only question for me is, is it Trump or is it Elon having and following a plan, and will the military be on their side when push comes to shove as was the case in Germany. Either way, even in the best case and Trump's coup failing, the destruction and trust lost after only a month of this madness will take the Americans easily a generation to fix.

[HappyExpat57]

14 hours ago, KireB said:

If you are blind to historic facts, you must have been one of the children not be left behind. What do they teach in US schools about history?

You hit a MAJOR nerve about US schools. The first thing eliminated decades ago was a mandatory semester in high school on civics. If you don't know what your rights are then you don't know when they're being trampled on.

 

Then shows like "Jackass" gained huge popularity making it "cool" to be stupid.

 

Both Jesse Waters and Jordan Klepper (right wing and left wing talking heads) have had multiple sections on going out into the wild and asking the general population questions they really should be aware of but gave insanely ignorant responses.

 

Even the current president's puppet has said many times he loves the poorly educated. They're easier to fool and manipulate.

[theblether]

40 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

Factually incorrect.

But even if an American president would have promised something to the Russians, that has nothing to do with Ukraine or their nukes. If you did not notice, Ukraine is a sovereign nation state currently not in NATO. How are they responsible for the USA going back on their word?

 

And Trump is doing the same thing, making "peace deals" without Ukraine present, making promises he has no right to make -- and no ability to keep.

 

In the end it is the USA breaking a written contract, the Budapest Memorandum, signed as an accord to the non-proliferation treaty. They are breaking it now, in typical US oathbreaker fashion, putting the USA in exactly the same category of international pariahs the Russians are in.

 

I hope karma gets to them, the world would frankly be a better place, if the both superpowers, the US and the Russians, break apart in a multitude of tiny statelets, easily de-militarized by more enlightened and cultured people (like the Europeans)

 

The world would be a better place if we had multiple new and unstable states with nuclear weapons? 

 

Get a grip on yourself. 

[beautifulthailand99]

38 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

Factually incorrect.

But even if an American president would have promised something to the Russians, that has nothing to do with Ukraine or their nukes. If you did not notice, Ukraine is a sovereign nation state currently not in NATO. How are they responsible for the USA going back on their word?

 

And Trump is doing the same thing, making "peace deals" without Ukraine present, making promises he has no right to make -- and no ability to keep.

 

In the end it is the USA breaking a written contract, the Budapest Memorandum, signed as an accord to the non-proliferation treaty. They are breaking it now, in typical US oathbreaker fashion, putting the USA in exactly the same category of international pariahs the Russians are in.

 

I hope karma gets to them, the world would frankly be a better place, if the both superpowers, the US and the Russians, break apart in a multitude of tiny statelets, easily de-militarized by more enlightened and cultured people (like the Europeans)

Well, since the pro-Ukraine argument often goes something like 'Putin would never use nuclear weapons' or 'he’d be toast if he did,' then surely a more rational and sane actor like Ukraine would be even more cautious with such weapons—taking it to the extreme. This is where the argument about nuclear weapons becomes somewhat spurious. The assumption that a nuclear power would never use its weapons relies on a balance of fear and deterrence, but it's a false equivalence to compare Ukraine’s potential for nuclear use with Russia’s. Ukraine is not a nuclear state and doesn't have the infrastructure or doctrine in place to support a nuclear arsenal. And if you remember at the time there was much alarm at the prospect of rogue actors aquiring nukes or nuclear material so it was the right decision made at the right time.

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

The world would be a better place if we had multiple new and unstable states with nuclear weapons? 

 

Get a grip on yourself. 

Aye it's a nonsense arguement on so many levels.

[beautifulthailand99]

40 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

In the beginning I thought, that he actually might try, to the best of his diplomatic ability -- which is not and never has been great. Or maybe that he simply was deluded.

 

By now I do think that his crazy statements are not random, they are a perfect smoke screen for a fascist coup. The playbook follows actually pretty close to what Hitler did after he was elected in power: bring industrialists on their side, start removing dissidents, closing down education and arts, spouting imperialist plans to distract the masses (Canada, Panama, Greenland, Gaza).

 

The only question for me is, is it Trump or is it Elon having and following a plan, and will the military be on their side when push comes to shove as was the case in Germany. Either way, even in the best case and Trump's coup failing, the destruction and trust lost after only a month of this madness will take the Americans easily a generation to fix.

We agree totally on this. But Hitler (Godwin's law sorry) over eggs the pudding somewhat.

[jts-khorat]

7 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

The world would be a better place if we had multiple new and unstable states with nuclear weapons? 

 

Get a grip on yourself. 

 

Note the de-militarization.

 

Do you think the world is currently safer with those nukes in the hands of a lunatic who wants to own Greenland and Gaza?

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, jts-khorat said:

 

Note the de-militarization.

 

Do you think the world is currently safer with those nukes in the hands of a lunatic who wants to own Greenland and Gaza?

Which is a cogent argument for less nukes which isn't the point you made earlier.