12-Year-Old in Critical Condition After Vaping for Two Years

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, Imd8ta said:

However, grandparents were parents in the past and are well versed (Thai style) in the art of parenting.

They may be well versed, but that doesn't mean they actually practice it. I think worldwide the art of parenting is a vastly eroding art, and very few parents seem to know it anymore, much less grandparents.

 

It takes a lot of effort. A lot of older farts just don't seem to have that kind of energy. 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Globalres said:

Well, to be honest, grandparents were parents once upon a time, otherwise they could not become grandparents! 😂

See my response below. It is utterly shameful for a parent to leave their child with the grandparents for extended periods of time, and it's a sign of some sort of breakdown of contemporary society when this happens. 

[kiwikeith]

17 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

This is a lack of parental guidance.. a kid that is vaping for 2 years and nobody noticed?? Something is very wrong. And you can call to forbid vaping, but in fact that is not the problem.. Vaping could be allowed but from a certain age and make it expensive... but first of all parents/grandparents take care of the children guide them and protect them. That was not done in this case and many more we don't know

We also don't know what was in the juice she was vaping, could have been a bad chemical concoction.

Very sad, hope she recovers

[Globalres]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

See my response below. It is utterly shameful for a parent to leave their child with the grandparents for extended periods of time, and it's a sign of some sort of breakdown of contemporary society when this happens. 

I totally agree with that.  Being a grandparent myself, must say I would not want to take full responsibility for my grandkids.  Too much energy required, as much as I love them I am happy for their parents to do the job. It’s the way nature intended, I believe.

[BritScot]

21 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

For goodness sake people, how many kids are going to die before someone starts to enforce the law vigorously.

Life is going to be extremely difficult for this poor lass from now on all because people think that vaping is safe.

(and please do not bother telling me that you have been vaping for 150 years and your lungs are fine 'cough! cough!')

I tried it for cbt pain relief when i went back to the Uk. It worked but my self rules ie not vaping infront of my children ment i wasnt using it enough and it clogged up all the time. When used properly it is better than smoking the little white cancer sticks. However, people vape the same as one hundred fags a day or more and the "see who can vap the biggest cloud" is killing people. Bubble gum flavour etc should be banned and the only flavour you should get is cigarette flavour or ash tray flavour.

[BusyB]

17 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

This is a lack of parental guidance.. a kid that is vaping for 2 years and nobody noticed?? Something is very wrong. And you can call to forbid vaping, but in fact that is not the problem.. Vaping could be allowed but from a certain age and make it expensive... but first of all parents/grandparents take care of the children guide them and protect them. That was not done in this case and many more we don't know

 

Parental guidance humbug.

 

Noone in my household smoked and my parents, my mother most, did their best to make sure we knew how bad it was and what it did.

 

I started smoking at 11. The tobacco (and now vape) companies aim for kids. Normal adults wouldn't consider such a stupid thing. Hardly anyone starts after 18.

 

Fortunately I was able to let go of the fags at 41, but not before I'd contracted some fortunately minimal emphysema. I still get congested in winter but happily don't have COPD. I'm also healthy and fit but the damage is done even if minimal. So far it hasn't cramped my lifestyle.

 

But I do find it strange that these things are happening with vapes. I used to smoke the hard stuff. Self-rolled, Camel untipped, Gaulloise, Players Navy Cut, that kind of thing, for 20 odd years, and I seem to have been pretty lucky. Vapey steam strikes me as pretty mild by comparison.

 

I'd never have vaped anyway. Raspberry clouds and no punch to the throat, the lighting up, the sharing and offering of ciggies. Sucking on colored machines. Weird.

 

But all in all a foul, stinking and deadly addiction.

 

I won't date smokers because the stench that their ravaged lungs emit is beyond nauseating. Can't understand how my girlfriends could put up with the way I must have stunk.

[pacovl46]

Sorry, but I'm not buying that story.

[spidermike007]

52 minutes ago, Globalres said:

I totally agree with that.  Being a grandparent myself, must say I would not want to take full responsibility for my grandkids.  Too much energy required, as much as I love them I am happy for their parents to do the job. It’s the way nature intended, I believe.

My guess is that a lot of grandparents don't really want to take on this responsibility, but Thai society somehow does not give them the ability to say NO! This is your child you deal with them! Instead they end up engaging in a form of martyrdom in their golden years. 

 

Especially in Issan, where the absentee mother issue is rampant. 

[PingRoundTheWorld]

Why is this **** not illegal? wait, it is, but they're doing nothing to enforce it.

[PingRoundTheWorld]

6 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Sorry, but I'm not buying that story.

Keep living in denial. It's a FACT vaping is just as dangerous as smoking if not more so. It's a nice excuse for smokers "I'm not smoking, just inhaling harmless vapor" - but it's not harmless, especially not when the vape fluid comes from questionable sources like China.

[ujayujay]

And the parents were not taken into custody?

[pacovl46]

9 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Keep living in denial. It's a FACT vaping is just as dangerous as smoking if not more so. It's a nice excuse for smokers "I'm not smoking, just inhaling harmless vapor" - but it's not harmless, especially not when the vape fluid comes from questionable sources like China.

You should've asked me first why I think that, instead of jumping to conclusions...

[Harsh Jones]

20 hours ago, Globalres said:

It entirely depends on WHAT you are vaping!  Buying vape liquids from reputable companies is a must, if you vape.  
I quit smoking soon 10 yrs ago and replaced with vaping.  My lungs are in better shape than when smoking.  That being said, obviously I should quit vaping too, but at my advanced age I’ve decided to hang on to one vice 😂

There is a general consensus from non-biased research that vaping is less harmful for your lungs since you are not inhaling a burning product, AND if you purchase decent vape liquids the amount of carcinogens are a fraction of what is used in cigarettes.

There is no equivalent carcinogen in vapes that are found in cigs

[Harrisfan]

On 2/20/2025 at 5:36 PM, Tropicalevo said:

For goodness sake people, how many kids are going to die before someone starts to enforce the law vigorously.

Life is going to be extremely difficult for this poor lass from now on all because people think that vaping is safe.

(and please do not bother telling me that you have been vaping for 150 years and your lungs are fine 'cough! cough!')

She is dumb. Can't fix stupid.

[Harsh Jones]

9 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Keep living in denial. It's a FACT vaping is just as dangerous as smoking if not more so. It's a nice excuse for smokers "I'm not smoking, just inhaling harmless vapor" - but it's not harmless, especially not when the vape fluid comes from questionable sources like China.

That is a completely ridiculous statement. That is like saying natural gas is just as bad or worse than leaded gasoline. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. 

 

Making vapes illegal or prohibitively expensive is the exact thing that will drive all vape production underground and that is what will make it more and more dangerous as it is unregulated with zero quality control. And if you had your way, that is what would happen. And it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And the harder you clamp down on it, the worst the quality control gets. This is what happened with the opiate crisis in the US

[Harsh Jones]

10 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Why is this **** not illegal? wait, it is, but they're doing nothing to enforce it.

 

Let me guess, you would allow cigarettes to be legal while making vapes illegal.  

 

This is what happens when fabricated narratives make the rounds. It is hopeless

[dinsdale]

Something a bit odd about this story. That's must have been an awful lot of vaping, almost constant, and vapes aren't free. Where's a 10-12 year old girl getting the thousands of baht to keep vaping so heavily for two years. This is obviously an isolated incident. Was lung disease already present?

[Woke to Sounds]

Questionable juice probably from communist China?

 

I used to suck on the Turkish nargile (hookah) like there was no tomorrow, and I'm in better shape than a guy 30 years my junior.

 

Much of what happens is genetics.

 

Vapes, next to cannabis smoke, present the biggest dangers to lungs. If you must smoke tobacco try American Spirit.

 

But overall ... Don't even start.

[kiwikeith]

17 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

This is a lack of parental guidance.. a kid that is vaping for 2 years and nobody noticed?? Something is very wrong. And you can call to forbid vaping, but in fact that is not the problem.. Vaping could be allowed but from a certain age and make it expensive... but first of all parents/grandparents take care of the children guide them and protect them. That was not done in this case and many more we don't know

We also don't know what was in the juice she was vaping, could have been a bad chemical concoction.

Very sad, hope she recovers

[dinsdale]

11 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Keep living in denial. It's a FACT vaping is just as dangerous as smoking if not more so. It's a nice excuse for smokers "I'm not smoking, just inhaling harmless vapor" - but it's not harmless, especially not when the vape fluid comes from questionable sources like China.

Please supply this fact. I smoked for decades. Developed PAD from smoking and other diet related things. Symptoms came on pretty quick and it wasn't long before I could only walk about 50 metres before the severe, and I mean severe, calf pain started. At it's worst it felt like I was walking not with a strained or pulled calf muscle but a severely torn calf muscle. Excruciating. This is intermittent claudication. Gave up smoking and within a couple of weeks the intermittent claudication had reduced to near zero. I'm now vaping and although the pain is sometimes still there it's easily >90% better than it was. If I wasn't vaping it would go completely but my nicotine addiction is strong and nicotine has inflammatory properties. Vaping helped me quit smoking and my health has improved. 

[BusyB]

6 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

 

Let me guess, you would allow cigarettes to be legal while making vapes illegal.  

 

This is what happens when fabricated narratives make the rounds. It is hopeless

 

I look forward to the day when lighting up a fag or 'vaping' are as socially rejected as jacking up on heroin.

[PingRoundTheWorld]

15 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

Let me guess, you would allow cigarettes to be legal while making vapes illegal.  

I wish both didn't exist, but with cigarretes you can at least escape the smoke. Vapes are now so popular and common that every other person in a night venue is sucking on it non-stop - it's absolutely impossible to go out in Pattaya without being constantly exposed to second-hand vape. In Bangkok many clubs have nonsmoking rooms - but for whatever reason which makes no sense they allow vaping.

[black tabby12345]

Surprise, surprise.

E Cigarette, supposedly illegal here.

But openly available in Lazada.

 

And I often see the people smoking it in the street.

Have never seen them busted...

[Baba Naba]

On 2/21/2025 at 10:02 AM, Docno said:

Learn about EVALI: www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/evali

Good enough for you?

I learn something new everyday!  But you will notice that most people who get this malady are vaping thc juice products and thise that contained vitamin E acetate.  Most of these products are made by bootlegging bathtub chemists. 

 

    It is also mostly kids under 18.  IMHO I believe that vaping shold be legalized everywhere for those 18 or even 21 and above just as cigarrettes are.  Vaping does not contain carcenogens and does not cause cancer. Legalizing vaping would save people, not kill them.... If vaping was legalized and controlled then you would not have the dangerous bootleg juices being made.

 

   You no longer see EVALI in the USA or the Philippines because you can buy safe juices and the USA stopped many cases when they shut down JULES and VULES. 

 

https://www.mlo-online.com/management/regulatory/article/21119510/new-cases-in-outbreak-of-evali-on-the-decline

 

 

 

[Baba Naba]

On 2/21/2025 at 11:29 AM, Bday Prang said:

Tend to agree, one would expect to see 1000's of underage vape victims staggering around coughing up blood if it were true that vapes were so deadly. 

Yes, and the cases of this EVALI are extremely miniscule compared to he amount of people vaping. Less that 1% for sure  https://www.mlo-online.com/management/regulatory/article/21119510/new-cases-in-outbreak-of-evali-on-the-decline

[Bday Prang]

On 2/22/2025 at 9:19 AM, Woke to Sounds said:

 

 

Vapes, next to cannabis smoke, present the biggest dangers to lungs. If you must smoke tobacco try American

really ?

[Baba Naba]

On 2/21/2025 at 10:44 PM, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Keep living in denial. It's a FACT vaping is just as dangerous as smoking if not more so. It's a nice excuse for smokers "I'm not smoking, just inhaling harmless vapor" - but it's not harmless, especially not when the vape fluid comes from questionable sources like China.

You lie like your Daddy Trump!  "It's a FACT vaping is just as dangerous as smoking if not more so.".  That is such a huge crock of BS!!! https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/ready-to-quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/vaping-myths-and-the-facts/

[Baba Naba]

In 20 years of vaping there has been 68 deaths from EVALI. In just ONE YEAR there has been 480,000 deaths in just the USA! 

 

     Your lies show just how dense you are Ping.... 🙄

[PingRoundTheWorld]

11 hours ago, Baba Naba said:

In 20 years of vaping there has been 68 deaths from EVALI. In just ONE YEAR there has been 480,000 deaths in just the USA! 

Vaping has only become massively popular in the last few years. Give it time, it won't disappoint.

[Baba Naba]

11 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Vaping has only become massively popular in the last few years. Give it time, it won't disappoint.

It has been popular for over 15 years already! You are just not with the times Ping! 🤪