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Pai Locals Raise Concerns Over Chabad House Amid Security Warnings


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Posted
1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

Punishing all Jews by denying them a place of worship because the actions of a few young Jewish men is indeed naked antisemitism.  I totally agree the Israelis who caused trouble in Pai should have been- and were- punished appropriately.  But to hold Jews collectively responsible for the misbehavior of a few individuals is a classic signal of antisemitism.

 

  No, it's a classic signal of Thai overreaction.  The Thais are punishing foreigners for the misbehavior of foreigners.  The foreigners in Pai just happen to be Jewish in this instance.

 

  "....Police General Kitrat Panphet, has directed police forces across the nation to heighten surveillance of foreign nationals amid escalating concerns over public order and safety. This new measure, announced on 17 February, stems from reports of foreign visitors’ conduct that disrupts social harmony, violates public morals, and potentially damages Thailand's reputation.

 

and

 

"The move follows troubling incidents, notably in Pai, Mae Hong Son, where local businesses recently refused service to Israeli nationals. This decision arose after reports of inappropriate behaviour by some Israeli tourists, who allegedly verbally abused medical staff and threatened property damage at a local hospital.

Adding to the concern, a Facebook video depicting intoxicated foreigners harassing female restaurant owners went viral, fanning online safety fears."

 

 

 

 

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Just now, TheAppletons said:

 

  No, it's a classic signal of Thai overreaction.  The Thais are punishing foreigners for the misbehavior of foreigners.  The foreigners in Pai just happen to be Jewish in this instance.

 

  "....Police General Kitrat Panphet, has directed police forces across the nation to heighten surveillance of foreign nationals amid escalating concerns over public order and safety. This new measure, announced on 17 February, stems from reports of foreign visitors’ conduct that disrupts social harmony, violates public morals, and potentially damages Thailand's reputation.

 

and

 

"The move follows troubling incidents, notably in Pai, Mae Hong Son, where local businesses recently refused service to Israeli nationals. This decision arose after reports of inappropriate behaviour by some Israeli tourists, who allegedly verbally abused medical staff and threatened property damage at a local hospital.

Adding to the concern, a Facebook video depicting intoxicated foreigners harassing female restaurant owners went viral, fanning online safety fears."

 

 

 

 

They checked it yesterday and found nothing so that's out. Only leaves the excuse of them being terror targets......yea right

 

Recently, immigration authorities conducted an inspection at a community centre frequently used for Jewish gatherings. During this event, approximately 200 to 300 Israelis were present for prayers and meals. The inspection concluded with no legal violations detected.

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

They checked it yesterday and found nothing so that's out. Only leaves the excuse of them being terror targets......yea right

 

Recently, immigration authorities conducted an inspection at a community centre frequently used for Jewish gatherings. During this event, approximately 200 to 300 Israelis were present for prayers and meals. The inspection concluded with no legal violations detected.

 

 

 

  Good news for them then.  If this was actually anti-semitism one would have expected legal violations galore.  You know, just because.

 

  Sounds like the immigration authorities were doing exactly what they were told to do - increase surveillance of foreigners.

 

  If you want to play paranoid conspiracy theorist, go for it. 

 

  

 

  

Posted
6 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

 

  Good news for them then.  If this was actually anti-semitism one would have expected legal violations galore.  You know, just because.

 

  Sounds like the immigration authorities were doing exactly what they were told to do - increase surveillance of foreigners.

 

  If you want to play paranoid conspiracy theorist, go for it. 

 

  

 

  

 If you want to play paranoid conspiracy theorist, go for it.

 

What paranoid conspiracy theories would those be then?

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What's the fuzz about... ?

Just quoting few...

Huai Khwang (Bkk) in a way chinese dominant...

Ekkamai and Sriracha is Japanese dominant.

Isan cities are German & UK dominant.

Phuket is Russian dominant.

Pattaya is getting Indian dominant.

Ranong is getting US dominant.

People are entering country as per given visa requirements...

yea problem areas are - Over stay, stupid behaviors, drug abuse, child prostitution, indecency, etc... if anyone indulging in these should be dealt by the law and punished severely. 

Thailand is allowing or wants hordes of tourists... but doesn't wants problems coming along with it... which is impractical... 

If you want mass tourism... then learn to deal with issues related with it... it's as simple as that...

 

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Posted
On 2/22/2025 at 6:59 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Opposing a Chabad House is raw antisemitism.  That type of antisemitism has nothing to do with anti-Zionism or the conflict in Palestine.  It is pure hatred of Jews and their religion.

 

A Chabad House provides informal social services to Jews who are ex-pats or tourists.  Its activities range from psychological counseling to celebrations of religious holidays.  Chabad Houses function as "safe spots" for Jews while traveling.  

Do other Nations have such «  houses » ? Are Jewish tourists / expats in need of special centers while traveling?

Posted
18 minutes ago, geisha said:

Do other Nations have such «  houses » ? Are Jewish tourists / expats in need of special centers while traveling?

 

   They do have Churches, Mosques and other such places that they can attend 

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On 2/22/2025 at 6:59 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Opposing a Chabad House is raw antisemitism.  That type of antisemitism has nothing to do with anti-Zionism or the conflict in Palestine.  It is pure hatred of Jews and their religion.

 

A Chabad House provides informal social services to Jews who are ex-pats or tourists.  Its activities range from psychological counseling to celebrations of religious holidays.  Chabad Houses function as "safe spots" for Jews while traveling.  

Buddhism in the north. Blend in or don't come.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Buddhism in the north. Blend in or don't come.

 

   There are lots of Churches and Mosques in the North .

BTW , what right do you have to dictate about who can and cannot go to Thailand ?

   Is it your Country ?

Posted
Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There are lots of Churches and Mosques in the North .

BTW , what right do you have to dictate about who can and cannot go to Thailand ?

   Is it your Country ?

Thais don't want it. Don't like buddhism don't come.

Posted
6 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Thais don't want it. Don't like buddhism don't come.

 

   You are calling for all non Buddhists to be banned from Thailand ?

What would you do with all the Thai Muslims and Christians ?

Ethnic cleanse them ?

Posted
55 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Buddhism in the north. Blend in or don't come.

 

ALL of Thailand is Buddhist, in that 94% of the population follows Buddhism.  Are you suggesting non-Buddhists should give up practicing their religions when on a tourist trip to Thailand?  Thai law allows for freedom of religion.

 

Have you ever been to Pai?  The super-loud  bars, nightclubs, cafes and even some guesthouses fail to "blend in" with Buddhist culture to a far greater degree than the Chabad House.  And how well do the farang, Indian and Chinese tourists "blend in" when they visit Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok or anywhere else in Thailand?  At least some of them "stick out" a lot more than Jews who visit the Chabad House in Pai.

 

It seems you are being unfairly discriminatory against Jews, but  hey, that's what antisemitism is all about.

 

 

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On 2/22/2025 at 12:24 AM, jippytum said:

Beligirent Israllies causing problems at a local hospitial started scrutiny of the large Israeli jewish population in Pai. 

Tha Thai authorities acting to eleviate local concerns have every right to check the credentials of one large population of foreigners dominating a  small tourist location such as Pai. 

 

What large Israeli jewish population? Didn't the  immigration and government confirm that on any given day, no more than 84 Israelis are in Pai?

Posted
2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

What large Israeli jewish population? Didn't the  immigration and government confirm that on any given day, no more than 84 Israelis are in Pai?

 

The notion of a "large Israeli Jewish population" in Pai is based on false Facebook posts that claimed 30,000 Israelis had settled there. :crazy:

  From The Nation on Feb. 18:  No Israeli ‘Promised Land’ in Pai: Tourist police refute social media claims

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/tourism/40046434

 

The article stated:

"On Tuesday, Pol Lt Col Suwit Boonyaphen, an inspector of Mae Hong Son tourist police, refuted widely shared Facebook posts alleging that around 30,000 Jewish people had settled in Pai and built a Jewish synagogue.

"He clarified that the reported figure of 30,000 Israeli tourists refers to the total number of Israeli visitors over the past year, not a permanent settlement. On average, only 83 to 84 Israeli tourists visit Pai each day."

 

However, the 83 to 84 Israeli tourists per day is also misleading.  If you divide 30,000 by 12 (months), you get 2,500 visitors per month.  Divide that by 30 and you get 83.33 visitors per day.  But, and it's a big butta.jpg.7677be0c491e74cb6c683b9c23602b7c.jpg, that would mean 30,000 Israeli tourists had spent one night each in Pai, which is unlikely.  It's more likely they spent multiple days in Pai.  Moreover, the 30,000 figure is also shaky, as it allows for double-counting of tourists who visit Pai on more than one occasion.  For example, if an Israeli tourist stayed in Pai for three days, went to Chiang Rai for three days and then returned to Pai for two days, that would show up as two Israeli tourists in the visitor figures. 

 

When the figures are adjusted properly, it's likely there are on average  about200 Israeli tourists per day in Pai, which isn't an overwhelming number.  Unfortunately, some Thais and farang have fallen for antisemitic nonsense. Whether that is the result of ignorance or ill-will is hard to know, but I would guess it's mostly ignorance.

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