Anti-vaxers kill child in Texas

[gargamon]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/26/health/texas-measles-death/index.html

Child in West Texas is first US measles death in a decade

The first measles death in the growing outbreak in West Texas was a school-aged child.

The child was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, Texas, said Lauren Adams, Lubbock city spokesperson.

This is the first US measles death since 2015, when a woman in Washington state died.

The number of confirmed measles cases reported in an outbreak in West Texas is now at 124, the Texas Department of Health Services said in an update Tuesday, an increase of 34 since late last week. Most of the cases are in children ages 5 to 17.

 

[flyingtlger]

Darwinism is a live and well....

[BritManToo]

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

[gargamon]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had ben vaccinated?

Zero

[BritManToo]

17 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Zero

But that's not accurate, this study says 'extraordinarily low' but not zero

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/

 

"Conclusion
The evidence establishes a causal relation between vaccine-strain measles virus infection and death. The conclusion is based on case reports in immunocompromised individuals and not on controlled studies. No relative risk can be calculated. However, the risk of death from measles vaccine-strain infection would seem to be extraordinarily low.

The evidence establishes a causal relation between MMR and death from complications associated with severe thrombocytopenia. The evidence establishes a causal relation between MMR and death from anaphylaxis. There is no direct evidence for this; the conclusion is based on the potential of severe thrombocytopenia and anaphylaxis to be fatal. The risk would seem to be extraordinarily low.

The evidence favors acceptance of a causal relation between measles vaccine and death from anaphylaxis. There is no direct evidence for this; the conclusion is based on the potential of anaphylaxis to be fatal. The risk would seem to be extraordinarily low."

[gargamon]

21 minutes ago, flyingtlger said:

Darwinism is a live and well....

Too bad it didn't kill the parents but got their offspring.

[gargamon]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

But that's not accurate, this study says 'extraordinarily low' but not zero

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/

 

"Conclusion
The evidence establishes a causal relation between vaccine-strain measles virus infection and death. The conclusion is based on case reports in immunocompromised individuals and not on controlled studies. No relative risk can be calculated. However, the risk of death from measles vaccine-strain infection would seem to be extraordinarily low.

The evidence establishes a causal relation between MMR and death from complications associated with severe thrombocytopenia. The evidence establishes a causal relation between MMR and death from anaphylaxis. There is no direct evidence for this; the conclusion is based on the potential of severe thrombocytopenia and anaphylaxis to be fatal. The risk would seem to be extraordinarily low.

The evidence favors acceptance of a causal relation between measles vaccine and death from anaphylaxis. There is no direct evidence for this; the conclusion is based on the potential of anaphylaxis to be fatal. The risk would seem to be extraordinarily low."

So go ahead and have children and be sure not to vaccinate them with one of the safest vaccines out there.

[BritManToo]

12 minutes ago, gargamon said:

So go ahead and have children and be sure not to vaccinate them with one of the safest vaccines out there.

I had 4 kids back in the UK, none vaccinated, none died yet (currently aged 22-40).

But one born in Thailand vaccinated with MMR without my consent, immediately developed signs of autism (sitting alone with repetitive hand motions), which luckily faded after around 5 years

[Dcheech]

Nothing prayer & leeches could not have cured. Texas needs no vaccine. 
 

[dinsdale]

53 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Anti-vaxers kill child in Texas

"Child in West Texas is first US measles death in a decade"

"This is the first US measles death since 2015, when a woman in Washington state died."

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/26/health/texas-measles-death/index.html

There are measles outbreaks every year.

In 2024, there were 285 cases of the disease in the U.S. from 16 outbreaks, up from 59 cases from four outbreaks in 2023. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/first-us-measles-death-reported-west-texas-outbreak-affects-more-than-130-people-2025-02-26/#:~:text=In 2024%2C there were 285,from four outbreaks in 2023.

Maybe your headline is just a tad over the top.

[sungod]

I read the article and couldn't fine the part where 'anti vaxers' killed the child. I do note however that the child was unvaccinated which is very foolish.

 

Dont you think your head line is a little dramatic? You do make yourself appear a little silly.

 

[fredwiggy]

45 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

The child that died was un vaccinated. Measles , mumps and Rubella are mandatory vaccinations we received for decades and you have to have them to enroll in school in the US. The UK doesn't have mandatory vaccines as I'm sure you know.

[gargamon]

33 minutes ago, sungod said:

I read the article and couldn't fine the part where 'anti vaxers' killed the child. I do note however that the child was unvaccinated which is very foolish.

 

Dont you think your head line is a little dramatic? You do make yourself appear a little silly.

 

If the anti-vaxers didn't have their nonsense on the internet, this child would not be dead. Understand now?

[dinsdale]

27 minutes ago, gargamon said:

If the anti-vaxers didn't have their nonsense on the internet, this child would not be dead. Understand now?

I hope in your mind you are not conflating anti-vaxxers with anti-mRNA vaxxers. I have posted many times I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I'm definitely anti-mRNA.

[Harrisfan]

38 minutes ago, gargamon said:

If the anti-vaxers didn't have their nonsense on the internet, this child would not be dead. Understand now?

Rubbish. People die after vaccines too.

[Harrisfan]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

I read the article and couldn't fine the part where 'anti vaxers' killed the child. I do note however that the child was unvaccinated which is very foolish.

 

Dont you think your head line is a little dramatic? You do make yourself appear a little silly.

 

I had no mmr vaccine. Not dead. Why didnt I die????

[fredwiggy]

40 minutes ago, gargamon said:

If the anti-vaxers didn't have their nonsense on the internet, this child would not be dead. Understand now?

People have the right to refuse vaccinations but in the case of a child are taking a higher risk as there are still diseases that can kill an unvaccinated child. The vaccine in this case might have saved this child or might not, as everyone is different in how their body responds to diseases and vaccines.

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

There probably is a study, but got buried.  IMHO

[Jeff the Chef]

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I had no mmr vaccine. Not dead. Why didnt I die????

 

You will eventually, just a matter of time.

[gargamon]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

You will eventually, just a matter of time.

Soon please.

[CallumWK]

Just now, gargamon said:

Soon please.

 

Doesn't really matter, because he will reincarnate, as he has done multiple times on this forum already

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

Soon please.

 

Agreed, but then again, he is like a dead parrot, very funny.

[clokwise]

14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I had no mmr vaccine. Not dead. Why didnt I die????

Fancy a trip to Lubbock, Texas?

 

But not to worry, even if you don't die from measles your immune system is now f'd up for the rest of your miserable life, much of it will be spent in the hospital, and you'll eventually die from a myriad of complications, none of which are very pleasant.

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, clokwise said:

Fancy a trip to Lubbock, Texas?

 

But not to worry, even if you don't die from measles your immune system is now f'd up for the rest of your miserable life, much of it will be spent in the hospital, and you'll eventually die from a myriad of complications, none of which are very pleasant.

 

I had measles. Back at school the next week.

 

 

[hotsun]

Seems the left is trying to compensate for the forcing of covid vaccines on people who didnt want them. Not surprised at the rise of anti vaxxers

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

 

 There is no need for a study because the data is available  There are no documented  deaths in Texas attributable to the MMR vaccine.   https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4599698/

There are no  documented deaths from the MMR Vaccine in the USA.

 

And before you regurgitate  some nonsense from an anti vaccination website, note that drawing broad cause and effect conclusions between vaccination and deaths based on spontaneous reports to VAERS, some of which might be anecdotal or second hand, is not a scientifically valid practice. In fact, a review of the VAERS data reveals that many of the death reports that anti vaccination campaigners cite for the MMR vaccine involved children with serious preexisting medical conditions or were likely unrelated to vaccination (e.g., accidents). 

 

[Patong2021]

10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I had measles. Back at school the next week.

 

 

Well, we now have a reasonable explanation for the cognitive impairment.

[phetphet]

I think the problem with the MMR vaccination with many parents isn't so much vaccination itself as getting all three at once. I would certainly prefer to have a child vaccinated with all three vaccines separately. 

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But that's not accurate, this study says 'extraordinarily low' but not zero

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/

 

"Conclusion
The evidence establishes a causal relation between vaccine-strain measles virus infection and death. The conclusion is based on case reports in immunocompromised individuals and not on controlled studies. No relative risk can be calculated. However, the risk of death from measles vaccine-strain infection would seem to be extraordinarily low.

The evidence establishes a causal relation between MMR and death from complications associated with severe thrombocytopenia. The evidence establishes a causal relation between MMR and death from anaphylaxis. There is no direct evidence for this; the conclusion is based on the potential of severe thrombocytopenia and anaphylaxis to be fatal. The risk would seem to be extraordinarily low.

The evidence favors acceptance of a causal relation between measles vaccine and death from anaphylaxis. There is no direct evidence for this; the conclusion is based on the potential of anaphylaxis to be fatal. The risk would seem to be extraordinarily low."

 

You have taken  the above out of context and presented it  in a manner  so that the conclusion is intentionally distorted. The  very small number of deaths were in subjects with serious pre-existing medical  or who had accidents following vaccination such as a fall. The  study you cite does not claim any direct link between the MMR vaccine and death.

 

We all get it that you are opposed to a safe and long used vaccine. Why not just say that and not  try to  mislead people with your  misinterpretation and misuse of an article. The authors of that study would rebuke you and hold you out as deceitful for what you are trying to do because their position is to recommend the vaccine.

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

Everyone I know got measles, mumps, chicken pox back in the day, and we were all vaccinated.  NEWS FLASH ... the vax doesn't work, IMHO

 

Vax'ing  =  profits

When someone can explain why a newborn needs Hep B vax and given 3X to a newborn, before the age of 1.5 yrs, then I may become a vaxxer.