Did Trump bring shame upon the US with his Zelensky lecture?

[GypsyT]

What's up with this (seen Donny's supporters head);   MRGA -  "Make Russia Great Again" ?

 

 

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

By behave are you suggesting that he should have taken a knee, and kissed the ring, not talked back and been completely compliant?

 

Just like Trump the bully insists? Behave, or else! Don't you know who I am, don't you know where you are? As my sycophantic assistant mentioned, you are in sacred territory, you are in the Oval Office, don't you get it? We are the two most powerful men in the world, behave like it!

 

 

Yes, the sacred oval office where i sell my maga memorabilia and memes.

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I watched that cringe worthy lecture that Trump gave Zelensky, and it caused me to be very ashamed of my nationality. This man seems to be deliberately sabotaging America's influence throughout the world on a daily basis, and he seems to be grossly overestimating the influence of America.

 

Does anybody agree with me? 

 

The typical Saint Donald defenders need not reply, though no doubt you will. 

 

Earlier Friday, Trump cut the meeting short with Zelensky, said the Ukrainian leader is "not ready" for peace with Russia in an extraordinary meltdown in the Oval Office that threw question marks over chances for a truce. Zelensky was meant to be making a full White House visit to sign a US-Ukrainian deal for joint exploitation of Ukraine's mineral resources, as part of a post-war recovery in a US-brokered peace deal.

 

Instead, an ugly clash blew up almost immediately in the Oval Office where Trump and Vice President JD Vance shouted at Zelensky, accusing him of not being thankful for US help in the three-year war against Russian invasion. Trump berated Zelensky, telling him to be more "thankful" and that without US assistance Ukraine would have been conquered by Russia. "You're either going to make a deal or we're out," Trump added. "And if we're out, you'll fight it out and I don't think it's going to be pretty."

 

Zelensky left in his motorcade shortly after, without holding a planned joint press conference. The resources deal was left unsigned, the White House said. Trump took to his Truth Social platform to castigate Zelensky saying "he disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office." Zelensky is "not ready for Peace," Trump wrote. "He can come back when he is ready for Peace."

 

 

the Russians and the Chinese are very happy ,  Russians happy as they got a new asset, Chinese happy because they can try to hire all the unhappy secret service agents unnecessarily fired by musk... US lost European allies besides that orange man and his ass kisser VP  will soon realize what they have done... 2 years to go until middle terms and congress turn to Dems and then 4th impeachment starts

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

the Russians and the Chinese are very happy ,  Russians happy as they got a new asset, Chinese happy because they can try to hire all the unhappy secret service agents unnecessarily fired by musk... US lost European allies besides that orange man and his ass kisser VP  will soon realize what they have done... 2 years to go until middle terms and congress turn to Dems and then 4th impeachment starts

Trump has been a Russian asset for a very long time. Nothing new in that. Yeah the winners are Russia and China and the big loser will be the American brand and the American people. But the maga fascists are too busy enjoying watching trans people being viciously scapegoated to have any awareness at all of what's happening. 

[captain_shane]

2 hours ago, carlyai said:

So does Musk.

There's a difference in attire expectations between a tech support member and the leader of a country.

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump has been a Russian asset for a very long time. Nothing new in that. Yeah the winners are Russia and China and the big loser will be the American brand and the American people. But the maga fascists are too busy enjoying watching trans people being viciously scapegoated to have any awareness at all of what's happening. 

The left cared nothing about Ukraine until they, like you started pretending Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

Obama loved Russia and Putin. Remember the '80s calling and wanting their foreign policy back?
Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for space until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense?
Remember the "Russian Reset"?
Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine? 

 

Now remember Trump sanctioning Russia? 
Remember Trump killing 200 Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria?
Remember Trump selling arms to Ukraine? 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump? 
Remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine? 
Remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan?
Remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion? 

 

Phonies 
 

[rough diamond]

31 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

 

But Ukraine still owes the money. 

What money and to who?

[Harrisfan]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump has been a Russian asset for a very long time. Nothing new in that. Yeah the winners are Russia and China and the big loser will be the American brand and the American people. But the maga fascists are too busy enjoying watching trans people being viciously scapegoated to have any awareness at all of what's happening. 

No facts and no links. 

[Harrisfan]

13 minutes ago, captain_shane said:

There's a difference in attire expectations between a tech support member and the leader of a country.

Climate alarmism 2005 to 2015

Trump alarmism 2016 to 2028

 

What next?

[dinsdale]

No. He wants taxpayers money back and he wants a ceasefire. As for the meeting itself it wasn't a good look for either side. 

[0ffshore360]

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Dresses like a bum. 

I thought he was appealing to Trump's approval of Muskattire? Minus the backwards hat !

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Climate alarmism 2005 to 2015

Trump alarmism 2016 to 2028

 

What next?

Let's hope it's Vance alarmism from 2028 to 2036

[rough diamond]

34 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, the sacred oval office where i sell my maga memorabilia and memes.

And have his  boss's son drop his nose boogies on the Resolute Desk!

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Let's hope it's Vance alarmism from 2028 to 2036

AI or Vance or both

[0ffshore360]

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The left cared nothing about Ukraine until they, like you started pretending Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

Obama loved Russia and Putin. Remember the '80s calling and wanting their foreign policy back?
Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for space until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense?
Remember the "Russian Reset"?
Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine? 

 

Now remember Trump sanctioning Russia? 
Remember Trump killing 200 Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria?
Remember Trump selling arms to Ukraine? 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump? 
Remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine? 
Remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan?
Remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion? 

 

Phonies 
 

Actually  no !

[Yellowtail]

Just now, rough diamond said:

And have his  boss's son drop his nose boogies on the Resolute Desk!

And get knobbers from young interns 

[captain_shane]

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Climate alarmism 2005 to 2015

Trump alarmism 2016 to 2028

 

What next?

JD alarmism

[captain_shane]

- Musk alarmism

- Putler and Trump alarmism will remain far after they die similar to Hilter. I see Trump possibly replacing Hitler on the Hierarchy of evil for the left.
- White supremacy alarmism will continue

- Supreme court alarmism

- Fascism alarmism

 

They're all very predictable.

[captain_shane]

Maybe Big Z should have come with a little more respect instead of playing tough guy? Welp, good luck to the guy.
 

[tgw]

there's not much else to do for the rest of the world than to ignore Trump and his looneys and continue usual administrative relations with the USA and to wait it out. in the meanwhile, Europe shall take form its own defence initiative, support Ukraine and seize Russian assets.

[Andre0720]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I watched that cringe worthy lecture that Trump gave Zelensky, and it caused me to be very ashamed of my nationality. This man seems to be deliberately sabotaging America's influence throughout the world on a daily basis, and he seems to be grossly overestimating the influence of America.

 

Does anybody agree with me? 

 

The typical Saint Donald defenders need not reply, though no doubt you will. 

 

Earlier Friday, Trump cut the meeting short with Zelensky, said the Ukrainian leader is "not ready" for peace with Russia in an extraordinary meltdown in the Oval Office that threw question marks over chances for a truce. Zelensky was meant to be making a full White House visit to sign a US-Ukrainian deal for joint exploitation of Ukraine's mineral resources, as part of a post-war recovery in a US-brokered peace deal.

 

Instead, an ugly clash blew up almost immediately in the Oval Office where Trump and Vice President JD Vance shouted at Zelensky, accusing him of not being thankful for US help in the three-year war against Russian invasion. Trump berated Zelensky, telling him to be more "thankful" and that without US assistance Ukraine would have been conquered by Russia. "You're either going to make a deal or we're out," Trump added. "And if we're out, you'll fight it out and I don't think it's going to be pretty."

 

Zelensky left in his motorcade shortly after, without holding a planned joint press conference. The resources deal was left unsigned, the White House said. Trump took to his Truth Social platform to castigate Zelensky saying "he disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office." Zelensky is "not ready for Peace," Trump wrote. "He can come back when he is ready for Peace."

 

 

Totally agree with you.

Zelensky was not fit to do this job, after all these years of failure.

The US is there to help.

And then finally Zelensky understood that he was inapt for the job.

Resigning.

Hopefully someone of Trump's caliber will replace Zelensky.

So peace can be finally achieved....

Thanks for pointing that out...

 

[captain_shane]

Just now, tgw said:

there's not much else to do for the rest of the world than to ignore Trump and his looneys and continue usual administrative relations with the USA and to wait it out. in the meanwhile, Europe shall take form its own defence initiative, support Ukraine and seize Russian assets.

Why are you so delusional to think Europe is going to help you in any significant way? They're gonna use this situation to get out, they'll back out and blame Trump for letting you down. They buy more gas from russia than they give you in aid, you aren't worth freezing to death over.

[dinsdale]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

After a little bit more reflection on this disaster, I believe it was not only a huge mistake I believe it was an intentional setup to benefit Putin.

 

Trump intentionally wanted to humiliate Zelensky in the Oval Office on a world stage, and for Vance to be lecturing him, a man who's never been to you Ukraine, and a very small man who's never fought in a war, was really the bottom of the barrel. Vance had the audacity of accusing Zelensky of acting disrespectful in the sacred confines of the Oval Office, when in reality both he and Trump are being disgrace to the overall office on a daily basis. What he really meant to say is why are you not kissing the ring? 

 

This would appear to represent a fundamental breakdown in relations between the US and Europe, and a realignment of the US with Russia. What's next, the embrace of China and North Korea? 

 

As I keep saying it's just a matter of time until public sentiment goes against the ridiculousness of these policies, and the bizarre and hugely destructive foreign policy that Trump is engaging in. We're already seeing quite a bit of pushback on the part of Trump voters at Town Hall meetings with senators and congressman, who are attempting to support Trump in a vain and fruitless manner. 

 

 

Your disorder is in full swing I see. How do you think Harris would be going with this if she won the election and as we all know she didn't because she's an idiot.? My guess is the war would continue until Ukraine loses or WWIII begins and then we all lose except for the military industrial complex.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Trump has been a Russian asset for a very long time. Nothing new in that. Yeah the winners are Russia and China and the big loser will be the American brand and the American people. But the maga fascists are too busy enjoying watching trans people being viciously scapegoated to have any awareness at all of what's happening. 

I guess you can back this up with some facts rather than your usual inane comments. BTW saying fascist all the time does two things. Depletes the meaning of fascist and demonstrates you don't know what fascism is.

"trans people being viciously scapegoated"

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I guess you can back this up with some facts rather than your usual inane comments. BTW saying fascist all the time does two things. Depletes the meaning of fascist and demonstrates you don't know what fascism is.

"trans people being viciously scapegoated"

Facts? Are you forgetting the Steele dossier, the Alpha Bank pings, and the Mueller report? 

[blaze master]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Yes, the sacred oval office where i sell my maga memorabilia and memes.

 

Or nut on an interns blue dress. 

[blaze master]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I guess you can back this up with some facts rather than your usual inane comments. BTW saying fascist all the time does two things. Depletes the meaning of fascist and demonstrates you don't know what fascism is.

"trans people being viciously scapegoated"

 

I find many trans people to be outright bullies.

[KhunLA]

Apparently Z has no interest in cease fire toward peaceful resolution.   Leaving town and all.  Does he expect NATO or EU to help, without any USA backing.   He's done and just doesn't know it, or, he does. 

 

Maybe not that stupid after all.   Guess he'll be retiring somewhere quite comfortably soon.

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Facts? Are you forgetting the Steele dossier, the Alpha Bank pings, and the Mueller report? 

Indeed. All debunked.

[blaze master]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Apparently Z has no interest in cease fire toward peaceful resolution.   Leaving town and all.  Does he expect NATO or EU to help, without any USA backing.   He's done and just doesn't know it, or, he does. 

 

Maybe not that stupid after all.   Guess he'll be retiring somewhere quite comfortably soon.

 

The more damage the better things end up for Blackrock.