Starmer Urges Zelensky to Reconcile with Trump, but Tensions Remain High

[Yellowtail]

Just now, rough diamond said:

And burn it so we don't have to keep seeing the repeats over and over again!

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And do you think the UK should send 100,000 men and women to fight in Russia. 

Not my decision to make, but tell me Kier, do folk join the armed forces, if so, why....?

[impulse]

On 3/3/2025 at 9:09 AM, JimHuaHin said:

Who but a fascist or insane person would want to reconcile with Trump?

 

The Ukrainian and Russkie kids sitting on the front line, just for a start.  I'm sure they'd like to live.

 

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And you know all of this how? 

I've extrapolated it from all the various reports I've read. Some of it is my opinion.

I think Zelensky was ready to sign over the mineral rights until he read the entire "deal." It obviously was not assuring enough for him. That's why he said what he said in the White House. Also, Russia seems to be very willing to agree to the "deal." This to me means they would get everything they want.   

[rough diamond]

43 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

My dad was a kid when he joined after Pearl Harbor. 

Bit late to stop appeasement by then!

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Not my decision to make, but tell me Kier, do folk join the armed forces, if so, why....?

You are such a phony. "Not my decision to make" when asked a simple question, yet ready to spew all manner of nonsense you don't even have a vote on. Weak. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I've extrapolated it from all the various reports I've read. Some of it is my opinion.

It's all your opinion, yet you state it as fact. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I think Zelensky was ready to sign over the mineral rights until he read the entire "deal." It obviously was not assuring enough for him. That's why he said what he said in the White House.

Except that he had already agreed to it before he got there and reneged once he got in the meeting. 

 

He has since backpedaled and said he would sign it. 

 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Also, Russia seems to be very willing to agree to the "deal." This to me means they would get everything they want.   

What is "everything they want"? 

 

Trump could have cut Ukraine off the moment he got into office the way Biden did, but he didn't. 

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Bit late to stop appeasement by then!

[rough diamond]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 What a disgusting and meaningless response to a serious statement regarding appeasement and possible wars.

[rough diamond]

50 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

More troublesome for Putin than for Zelensky? About 25% of Ukraine's population has fled, while Russia has lost just a few. 

 

Interesting that you give a specific figure of 25% for Ukraine's population but only quote "while Russia has lost just a few"!  Incredibly non factual reporting.

Please try again with accurate figures and sources next time! (if possible!)

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Interesting that you give a specific figure of 25% for Ukraine's population but only quote "while Russia has lost just a few"!  Incredibly non factual reporting.

Please try again with accurate figures and sources next time! (if possible!)

Sorry Scottie, what do you think the numbers are? 

[WDSmart]

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's all your opinion, yet you state it as fact. 

Except that he had already agreed to it before he got there and reneged once he got in the meeting. 

 

He has since backpedaled and said he would sign it. 

 

What is "everything they want"? 

 

Trump could have cut Ukraine off the moment he got into office the way Biden did, but he didn't. 

 

My opinion usually turns out to be fact.
I don't think he saw the entire agreement until he got to Washington, DC.
"Everything they want" is all the land they now occupy and probably a cessation or reduction of economic sanctions.
Biden did not cut the support to Ukraine off. Trump has cut it off now.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, WDSmart said:

My opinion usually turns out to be fact.

For example? 

Just now, WDSmart said:

I don't think he saw the entire agreement until he got to Washington, DC.

Ridiculous. Of course he saw it, it was agreed to by both sides before he ever got there. It went back and forth for two weeks.

 

It was a signing ceremony.

 

Just now, WDSmart said:

"Everything they want" is all the land they now occupy and probably a cessation or reduction of economic sanctions.

And you think funding a stalemate is going to wear Putin down to where he gives back everything to pre-2014 borders? 

 

Just now, WDSmart said:

Biden did not cut the support to Ukraine off. Trump has cut it off now.

Biden absolutely cut arms shipments to Ukraine when he took office. Biden also lifted sanctions on Russia, including the sanctions Trump had imposed on Russia. 

 

 

[Harrisfan]

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My opinion usually turns out to be fact.
I don't think he saw the entire agreement until he got to Washington, DC.
"Everything they want" is all the land they now occupy and probably a cessation or reduction of economic sanctions.
Biden did not cut the support to Ukraine off. Trump has cut it off now.

Give a few examples then. I bet it's not.

[Purdey]

"So, when Trump bows to the king, I will kick him out of play."

[MikeandDow]

Zelensky should remind Putin, trump and starmer  of there broken promises of

The Budapest Memorandum of 1994

https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/files/policymemos/files/2-23-22_ukraine-the_budapest_memo.pdf?m=1645824948

[Stiddle Mump]

Got to give The Don a bit more time. Early days yet.

 

Zelensky is caught between a rock and a hard place. The longer he stalls, the harder the squeezing will get.

 

Sop Kier is just a script-reader. Should get his own country straight first.

[frank83628]

On 3/3/2025 at 8:09 AM, JimHuaHin said:

Who but a fascist or insane person would want to reconcile with Trump?

Someone that has a 4% approval rate and will be clintoned unless he does.

[CallumWK]

43 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Someone that has a 4% approval rate and will be clintoned unless he does.

 

Who has 4% approval rate?

[frank83628]

Just now, CallumWK said:

 

Who has 4% approval rate?

Dictator zman

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Dictator zman

 

Any link to that silly claim

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

 

Any link to that silly claim

Yep, Trump said so, just the other day 

[metisdead]

Some troll posts have been removed.

[transam]

15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You are such a phony. "Not my decision to make" when asked a simple question, yet ready to spew all manner of nonsense you don't even have a vote on. Weak. 

So you can't accept my reply OR answer a very simple question......🙄

How surprising..............😂

[WDSmart]

14 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

For example? 

Ridiculous. Of course he saw it, it was agreed to by both sides before he ever got there. It went back and forth for two weeks.

 

It was a signing ceremony.

 

And you think funding a stalemate is going to wear Putin down to where he gives back everything to pre-2014 borders? 

 

Biden absolutely cut arms shipments to Ukraine when he took office. Biden also lifted sanctions on Russia, including the sanctions Trump had imposed on Russia. 

 

 

A good example is all my posts concerning the Israeli attempt to drive all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. I predicted that years ago.

I think Zelensky only saw what was expected of him in the "deal." I don't believe he saw everything that was promised Russia even now. His main objection during the meaning was that he could not accept Russia's word on what they would and would not do. They've broken their promises to Ukraine before.

I think a stalemate will wear Putin down. Of course, it will wear Ukraine down also. I don't expect there will be any fair settlement, but if there is, it won't include the return of Crimea unless this war escalates to the point where Europe becomes actively involved, and that could lead to the use of nuclear weapons.

Biden did put pauses on arm sales occasionally, but he never stopped them. At the end of his term, he was sending a lot of support to Ukraine. 

[WDSmart]

14 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Give a few examples then. I bet it's not.

The best example is my prediction about how Israel will use the Oct 7 attack to try to completely drive all Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. 

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, WDSmart said:

A good example is all my posts concerning the Israeli attempt to drive all the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. I predicted that years ago.

I think Zelensky only saw what was expected of him in the "deal." I don't believe he saw everything that was promised Russia even now. His main objection during the meaning was that he could not accept Russia's word on what they would and would not do. They've broken their promises to Ukraine before.

I think a stalemate will wear Putin down. Of course, it will wear Ukraine down also. I don't expect there will be any fair settlement, but if there is, it won't include the return of Crimea unless this war escalates to the point where Europe becomes actively involved, and that could lead to the use of nuclear weapons.

Biden did put pauses on arm sales occasionally, but he never stopped them. At the end of his term, he was sending a lot of support to Ukraine. 

That's only one prediction. 

 

Pause means stop. 

 

 

[WDSmart]

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's only one prediction. 

 

Pause means stop. 

 

 

It's an example of many.

"Pause" means to stop temporarily with the intention to continue. 

"Stop" means stop with no intention to restart.

[Yellowtail]

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

It's an example of many.

For example?

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

"Pause" means to stop temporarily with the intention to continue. 

"Stop" means stop with no intention to restart.

 

So why are stop signs not called pause signs? 

 

I think what you mean is that when a leftist stops arms shipments, the left calls it a "pause". 

[WDSmart]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So why are stop signs not called pause signs? 

 

I think what you mean is that when a leftist stops arms shipments, the left calls it a "pause". 

Stop signs are mislabeled.

If anyone halts anything with the intention of resuming the activity, it's called a "pause."

If anyone halts anything with no intention of resuming the activity, it's called a "stop."

Now, can we please return to discussing the topic of "reconciling with Trump," which implies that this cessation of talks was a pause?