British Tourist Punched: Guard Apologises, Security Training Scheduled

[lordgrinz]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

When have you ever been attacked in 'adult-hood' ???

 

I've been here over two decades and I've not been in a situation I'd call violent or getting attacked....   though a fool did try to once but he was too drunk and it was too pathetic to consider calling it an attack....   

 

Maybe its a Pattaya / Patong thing... But certainly going out in Bangkok regularly, I never get to witness any issues..... and certainly am not involved in any - certainly not to the point of carrying mace... 

.... And if I did feel that need, then I'd probably re-consider where I'm going out, or the kind of character I am to draw that attention. 

 

You already know of one that almost happened (Mr. Gym Rat), that was my second time here where that has happened. I'm glad they both backed down, but I'd rather Mace someone then have to punch them so hard I have to worry about their head bouncing off the pavement and possibly dying on me.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

You already know of one that almost happened (Mr. Gym Rat), that was my second time here where that has happened.

 

I don't recall the story (another thread I'm assuming).

 

6 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

I'm glad they both backed down, but I'd rather Mace someone then have to punch them so hard I have to worry about their head bouncing off the pavement and possibly dying on me.

 

But what if you come up against some one like Malcom who'll never back down and is so hard, the boogyman checks the closet for him and is the reason Waldo hides??... 

.... I imagine mace wouldn't work on him...  he probably snorts that for breakfast.... but it would just make him angry, then what ?   

 

Would using mace or standing up to a delusional lunatic work ???...   is it not easier to say... nah, and just walk away ????

 

 

.... the only issue of course is if someone assaults family (wife, children etc)... then I think anyone becomes capable of some very extreme responses and forgets the consequences.... 

 

 

[thesetat]

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You must be watching the wrong video. The security guy was backing off until the old fella came marching up thinking he was Rambo.

He also backed off straight after the punch, unlike a lot of the security thugs we've seen in previous videos.

I think this Sarawut showed both skills and restraint under the circumstances. 

 

I also can't see a kick to the groin - I wondered if that might have happened prior to the video recording. 

at 10 seconds in the clip he gestures with his left hand to come forward at him. At least that is how I see it.. The brit was far from him as he was walking backwards doing that. 

[CG1 Blue]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

A trained Bouncer should be handling this sort of drunken idiot with far greater restraint - The Thai guy instead 'chose' to commit assault... 

You're not in Kansas now Dorothy 

[CG1 Blue]

15 minutes ago, thesetat said:

at 10 seconds in the clip he gestures with his left hand to come forward at him. At least that is how I see it.. The brit was far from him as he was walking backwards doing that. 

And the Brit had a choice at that moment. Go off and enjoy the rest of the night, or charge in like Rambo for a fight.  

 

Hopefully this was a lesson learned (finally, at 60+ years old!) and he won't end up getting killed another night as a result of his bad temper. 

 

He's probably been ruining people's nights with his temper tantrums for over 4 decades. 

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Was the guard charged with assault ? any fines ?

Up to the victim to press charges, and I believe he declined, everybody waied, apologized and went home. 

[NoshowJones]

12 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You must be watching the wrong video. The security guy was backing off until the old fella came marching up thinking he was Rambo.

He also backed off straight after the punch, unlike a lot of the security thugs we've seen in previous videos.

I think this Sarawut showed both skills and restraint under the circumstances. 

 

I also can't see a kick to the groin - I wondered if that might have happened prior to the video recording. 

If this Rambo guy fights the way he acts then he is not going to cause anyone any problems. 

[Thingamabob]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Neither would the security guard get away with assaulting someone like that in the UK... (not when caught so clearly on CCTV)..... 

 

 

There are laws in the UK which specifically recognise provocation.

[spidermike007]

12 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I think most of them show a high degree of tolerance. And so do the general Thai population.

 

The Brit was coming at him very aggressively. 
I would have done a lot worse than that light little punch if he had of attacked me like that.

 

It is the old saying, if you want to start fights in Thailand, you better be able to actually fight.

The sloppy old Brit didn’t stand a chance

He could have just slapped the guy and he likely would have stopped at that, anytime you knock somebody to the pavement, you run a huge risk of killing them. 

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

A trained Bouncer should be handling this sort of drunken idiot with far greater restraint - The Thai guy instead 'chose' to commit assault... 

You're not in Kansas now Dorothy 

 

And you're not in a 1939 MGM film.... this was assault and after watching the whole videos, it looks planned.... 

 

10 hours ago, thesetat said:

at 10 seconds in the clip he gestures with his left hand to come forward at him. At least that is how I see it.. The brit was far from him as he was walking backwards doing that. 

 

Exactly - after the initial confrontation in which the 3 Brits were not permitted entry to a club, one idiot Brit getting agitated and aggressive, arms being held back by his made, he was sucker punched in the face....  

... then things seemed to calm down and the Brits started walking away

 

The security guard then takes off his uniform, follows the Brits, walks into an alley across the road and invites the Brit into the alley (waving with his hand)... The Brit was dumb  enough to follow where he walked 'face first' into head-punch which was clearly pre-determined.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Neither would the security guard get away with assaulting someone like that in the UK... (not when caught so clearly on CCTV)..... 

 

 

There are laws in the UK which specifically recognise provocation.

 

Yes... and the penalty is 'Aggravated Assault'... Its still an assault charge.

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Was the guard charged with assault ? any fines ?

Up to the victim to press charges, and I believe he declined, everybody waied, apologized and went home. 

 

As 'assault' is a criminal charge - its not up to the victim to make the decision. 

 

But ultimately, yes...    apologies all round...   Hopefully the foolish Brit learns his lesson, hopefully the security guard learn a better way to de-escalate a situation.

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

And the Brit had a choice at that moment. Go off and enjoy the rest of the night, or charge in like Rambo for a fight.  

 

I completely agree here - The Brit was extremely stupid to follow the Security Guard into the alley....  

The security guard was clearly planning a 'sucker punch' to deal with the Brit and the Brit walked face first into it and never knew what hit him.

 

 

10 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Hopefully this was a lesson learned (finally, at 60+ years old!) and he won't end up getting killed another night as a result of his bad temper. 

 

He's probably been ruining people's nights with his temper tantrums for over 4 decades. 

 

Perhaps...  People who get this angry while drunk should not be drinking... 

 

But then again, people working as security guards should not get prepared to resort to assault so readily.

[Ralf001]

Forcing the guard to apologize is BS... the Brittle deserved what he got.

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

If this Rambo guy fights the way he acts then he is not going to cause anyone any problems. 

Oh! So your confused. I am referring to Stallone the "actor" who played Rambo.

[wadman]

13 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You're not in Kansas now Dorothy 

 

12 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

And the Brit had a choice at that moment. Go off and enjoy the rest of the night, or charge in like Rambo for a fight.  

 

Hopefully this was a lesson learned (finally, at 60+ years old!) and he won't end up getting killed another night as a result of his bad temper. 

 

He's probably been ruining people's nights with his temper tantrums for over 4 decades. 

 

I look at it this way. 

 

I have never even remotely had a problem with a Thai security guy. Of course, I don't go punching/slapping/kicking them in the face, or otherwise provoke them. All these beatdowns by Thai security have 1 thing in common: they were physically provoked first (including getting slapped in the face, in the case outside of Matador bar on soi buakhao a while back).

 

I have come into contact with idiot tourists who were physically abusive and think that everybody should back down from them. They need to be taught a lesson, the harder the better. If they are handled with kid's gloves like they are in England, they will soon all behave like they are in England, no thanks!

 

[Thingamabob]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes... and the penalty is 'Aggravated Assault'... Its still an assault charge.

'..and the PENALTY is aggravated assault..' Really ?