In defiance of Trump, I think Nato should put troops on the ground in Ukraine.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Eggs, omelettes.

 

Assuming all your allegations are true, nothing that side was doing differed much from what we were doing.

 

Seems some of our esteemed companion posters are somewhat naive when it comes to "their" side in the cold war.

[NoDisplayName]

5 minutes ago, TedG said:

They don't need to invade Russian,

 

Who was the last POTUS to serve in the military? 

 

Real service, or draft dodging?

 

That would  be George Bush, senior.  Shot down over the Pacific in WWII.  Rescued by a submarine.  Lucky for him.

 

His fellow flyers weren't so lucky.

 

The Chichijima incident (also known as the Ogasawara incident) occurred in late 1944. Japanese soldiers killed eight American airmen on Chichi Jima, in the Bonin Islands, and cannibalized four of them.

[Luuk Chaai]

7 hours ago, rough diamond said:

NATO does not by gas from Russia. 

Certain countries who are members of NATO may be doing so.

 Is it a canoe ? , a wombat ?   a cephalopod ? a left handed monkey wrench ?     Nope ..  it's still a Rose !   

                                                                        If Russia is the underlying problem 

https://lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com/docsz/AD_4nXeeRhUOhCyyrXfzUnAzMOeCbKqbkgjHGZ1HkTkyr7H9OUjs8MhjFwwd4jvHwe02XLFEQVNDscGJOIlMPwjlRaQZlAECd93TdEIXGkNlUBJtolzOWgHbd_nJPxdk3R9QqphbSJaUfQprLxX12T229ko?key=oMJeKg9JJnq48lZj6SltdBC4

 

[NoDisplayName]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems some of our esteemed companion posters are somewhat naive when it comes to "their" side in the cold war.

 

The School of the Americas, now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, is a U.S. military training facility located in Fort Benning, Georgia, that has trained many Latin American military personnel since its founding in 1946. It has faced significant criticism for its association with human rights abuses and the training of military leaders involved in atrocities in their home countries.

 

"Liberty, Peace, and Brotherhood"

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

The School of the Americas, now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, is a U.S. military training facility located in Fort Benning, Georgia, that has trained many Latin American military personnel since its founding in 1946. It has faced significant criticism for its association with human rights abuses and the training of military leaders involved in atrocities in their home countries.

 

"Liberty, Peace, and Brotherhood"

It's only bad when the enemy of the day, Iran, Russia etc does it. When it's US personnel waterboarding people that's just mild interrogation.

[NoDisplayName]

50 minutes ago, MicroB said:

He volunteered to work for an oppressive regime that murdered its own people trying to cross the border.

 

"If there are things that have to be done, you should do them quickly," former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told the Argentine foreign minister a few months after the coup. "We won't cause you unnecessary difficulties. If you can finish before Congress gets back, the better."

 

One of those "things that had to be done" was what were called "death flights," in which citizens believed to be left-wing political opponents of the regime were sedated and thrown from airplanes over the Atlantic Ocean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[asf6]

11 hours ago, advancebooking said:

Trump and Vance are playing their tit for tat games. 

 

Zelenski hasn't signed away generations of his countries resources. 

 

Why doesn't Nato send 50,000 troops to Ukraine now. Fight and push out Russia. Ukraine's troops leave Russia

 

Putin will not do anything. He's all talk. 

 

Thoughts

The Americans are the leaders of NATO and the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO is an American general - General Christopher G. Cavoli. He won't defy the American president. If America says no, NATO won't do it. 

[NoDisplayName]

32 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's only bad when the enemy of the day, Iran, Russia etc does it. When it's US personnel waterboarding people that's just mild interrogation.

 

We used the term "enhanced interrogation."

 

Interestingly, that's the literal translation of term the Gestapo used, ""verschärfte Vernehmung."

 

Cheney said we could do it, and had a memo prepared by GW's lawyers.

 

Interestingly, the Gestapo chief Mueller also sent out a memo.

 

The Gestapo memo forbids waterboarding, hypothermia and several other techniques that the Bush Administration permits. And it imposed strict limits on how these “enhanced techniques” could be used – requiring oversight and permits.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

We used the term "enhanced interrogation."

 

Interestingly, that's the literal translation of term the Gestapo used, ""verschärfte Vernehmung."

 

Cheney said we could do it, and had a memo prepared by GW's lawyers.

 

Interestingly, the Gestapo chief Mueller also sent out a memo.

 

The Gestapo memo forbids waterboarding, hypothermia and several other techniques that the Bush Administration permits. And it imposed strict limits on how these “enhanced techniques” could be used – requiring oversight and permits.

Cheney, IMO, is probably the most evil man to be in a position of power in the US in my lifetime.

[impulse]

In defiance of Trump, I think Nato should put troops on the ground in Ukraine.

 

Sure.  Let's start with your kids.  Front line.

 

It's time for the killing to stop and the rebuilding to start.

 

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, TedG said:

It would not be hard to run Russia out of Ukraine if the West had the stones to do it.  The West would establish air supremacy over Ukraine and give the Russian Army a good working.    It would be like watching Desert Storm in Eastern Europe. 

 

Forget your meds again?

[TedG]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Forget your meds again?

Russia can't subdue Ukraine.   They would have zero chance against the combined might of the West. 

[Walker88]

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Your man Zelensky is on the cusp of losing the entire country because of his tantrum with Trump after meeting some deluded democrats. He will sign what Trump tells him to, and he will thank Trump for making him sign it. He did have the chance to save the country and keep his head held high, but no. Cheers dems.

Good that you called Zelenskyy a "man". Hard to believe you know what a real man is, because it sure isn't the fat guy.

 

As for signing any 'deal' the bankruptcy king makes up, Zelenskyy knows what a Putin Lapdog looks like: bloated, silly hair, dumb look on his heavily make-upped face......

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, TedG said:

Russia can't subdue Ukraine.   They would have zero chance against the combined might of the West. 

 

Maybe. But what you suggest means full-scale war with a major nuclear power.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Maybe. But what you suggest means full-scale war with a major nuclear power.

WW3 no less. Lots of dead people in Europe, Lots of destroyed cities. Seems like a few actually want that.

[MadAtMatrix]

8 hours ago, Tiger1980 said:

As a Brit can one of you Americans inform me which unit of the American service did Trump serve in and for how long.

Did you make it out of Witherspoons to ever get within ten miles of a recruitment center 

[TedG]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Maybe. But what you suggest means full-scale war with a major nuclear power.

 

If Russian nukes even work.   If Putin pops off a Nuke, he is dead.  

 

The West could dog-walk Russia. 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

WW3 no less. Lots of dead people in Europe, Lots of destroyed cities. Seems like a few actually want that.

Seems someone thinks dead people is a joke- sad.

[TedG]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems someone thinks dead people is a joke- sad.

What are you saying is everyone need to bow down to Putin becase he has a nuke.   <deleted> Putin.  The West needs to grow balls and punch Putin in the face. 

[Walker88]

NATO should station some troops in Canada or Greenland. The real threat is MAGAstan.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

In defiance of Trump, I think Nato should put troops on the ground in Ukraine.

 

Sure.  Let's start with your kids.  Front line.

 

It's time for the killing to stop and the rebuilding to start.

 

 

Maybe the psycho who started the war should stop first? Apologize, pay compensation, and make amends with the 500,000 babushkas who lost their sons in Putin's Folly?

 

MAGAs have this bizarre view that if attacked, bend over and enjoy it. Oh, and blame the victim,. too. If your wife or girlfriend was being raped, I guess you'd just advise her to enjoy the ride, lest taking exception to the assault result in more violence. Plus it's probably her fault.

 

There are things in life worth fighting for. Freedom is one of them.

 

Of course when the fat man decides it's time for military force to steal Greenland, no doubt you'll be first in line at the Induction Office. Or maybe you'll send your wife or girlfriend, but stay safely home wearing your red cap and golden sneakers to "show your support"..

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

What are you saying is everyone need to bow down to Putin becase he has a nuke.   <deleted> Putin.  The West needs to grow balls and punch Putin in the face. 

I take it that you will be joining the fight in Ukraine then.

If not, why not?

Is it OK for other people to die while you want more war from complete safety.

[TedG]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I take it that you will be joining the fight in Ukraine then.

If not, why not?

Is it OK for other people to die while you want more war from complete safety.

 

Putin could stop the killing anyday now. 

[BangkokReady]

"Why don't we start world war three, just to spite Trump?"

 

Some people have absolutely lost their minds over Trump...  🙄

 

He should say that he wants the war to continue forever.  Presumably that would make people want to end it immediately.

[Hamus Yaigh]

14 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Your man Zelensky is on the cusp of losing the entire country because of his tantrum with Trump after meeting some deluded democrats.

This is the sort of spin that Trump and his supporters are known for—they often try to portray Trump as a victim of unfair treatment and attacks, regardless of the reality of the situation. Misinformation and “alternative facts” can lead to mistrust in institutions, polarization, and even real-world consequences. We’re not talking about clinical insanity, but rather a kind of collective derangement that can grip a nation. In that sense, it’s a kind of madness. Some might call it “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” where Trump’s supporters are so blind to the truth, they’re willing to believe anything he says, even when there’s clear evidence to the contrary.

Seek some help.

[Stiddle Mump]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Cheney, IMO, is probably the most evil man to be in a position of power in the US in my lifetime.

And for the ladies. Clinton or Albright?

[Moonlover]

15 hours ago, rough diamond said:

I think you have that statement back to front;  it should IMO read;

"Zelensky is on the cusp of losing the entire country because of Trump's and Vance's tantrum with/against him".

Well, I slightly disagree with what you say @rough diamond. It's possible, just possible that Trump was being genuine, after all he has said so many times that he wants this war ended.

 

The meeting fell apart when that Pit Bull, otherwise known as Vance let rip and from there on it was all down hill. Afterall we cannot possibly have the POTUS and his Vice disagreeing in public can we.

[impulse]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Maybe the psycho who started the war should stop first? Apologize, pay compensation, and make amends with the 500,000 babushkas who lost their sons in Putin's Folly?

 

There can't be a reasonable discussion with anyone who thinks the war started in 2022.  Or even 2014.  The seeds were planted in the '80s and the neocons had been watering them ever since, and continue to do so.  And they got what they wanted. 

 

Kinda sucks for millions of Russkies and Ukes, though.  Not to mention the rest of Europe that's withering away.

 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

26 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

There can't be a reasonable discussion with anyone who thinks the war started in 2022.  Or even 2014.  The seeds were planted in the '80s and the neocons had been watering them ever since, and continue to do so.  And they got what they wanted. 

 

Kinda sucks for millions of Russkies and Ukes, though.  Not to mention the rest of Europe that's withering away.

Bang on the money Impulse.

 

Back in the 1990s the US wanted to control of three statistically placed (for the US) countries. They were Iran, Turkey and Ukraine. 

 

When Yeltsin gave way to Putin, and it became obvious that the latter would not bend the knee, priorities changed. Turkey onside; for now. Iran could be dealt with, at least initially, by Israel. Just left Ukraine. The constant US's (and UK's) poking of The Bear, and capitalizing on the greed, and corruption, of the powerful in Ukraine, would see the Ruskies sorted.

 

I can remember all the actors waving their passports in the air. Have people forgotten just how gullible people can be? The people were sold a pup. Now they are paying the price.

[bubblegum]

13 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Over the past few weeks i have had so many people come up to me from their experiences in Ukraine, describing how racist society was there for them before the invasion - that i am loosing my sympathy. One indian guy said when the war started and people were fleeing on the trains, him and other fellow Indians were told to get out of the trains and kicked out the train stations as it was for Ukrainians only - despite living there for generations. Heard stories before that too. 

Ah like 47 th stories how an old man came up to him with tears in his eyes and so on...?

[frank83628]

Anyone that want boots on the ground should be conscripted, alone with their family members, then see how they all fall silent, armchair warriors