Donald Trump is a coward

[Thingamabob]

At least people are talking about peace now. It will be tough though. Putin wants the Russian speaking areas of eastern Ukraine, while Zelensky wants the money flow to continue. I think Trump will resolve this, but it will take time.

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, mikeymike100 said:

Oh dear......you may want to check how many ex presidents avoided the draft, before posting infantile comments?

Of the presidents whose lifetimes overlapped with the Vietnam draft, four who served as president after the war avoided it: Clinton, G. W. Bush, Trump, and Biden. That’s four out of the six post-Vietnam presidents who were of draft-eligible age at the time (excluding Obama and G. H. W. Bush for age reasons). All used legal deferments—student, medical, or Guard service—common among the 15 million men who avoided Vietnam service out of 27 million eligible.

Avoiding the draft wasn’t rare. Over half the eligible men didn’t serve, thanks to deferments (9 million got them), exemptions, or high lottery numbers after 1969. Presidents reflect that trend—many were from privileged backgrounds with access to education or connections. No president since Vietnam saw combat there, though some earlier ones (like Nixon) served in prior wars

 

 

Actually, irrespective of the individuals who were elected, it is remarkable that no American president has been elected (or ever will it seems) who served in the Vietnam War. I'm not sure any served in the Korean War either.

 

Looking at post war VPs:

 

Walter Mondale was in the Army during the Korean War, but I don't think he was deployed.

Dan Quayle was in the National Guard, and so avoided the draft

Al Gore; interestingly, he joined the army in order to help his dad get re-elected (it didn't work). Most of his Harvard classmates found ways to avoid the draft. He went to South Vietnam as a military journalist. He went in as an Enlisted Man, but its thought that Nixon delayed his deployment, in case his dad would use that to win votes. He was only in Vietnam for a few weeks.

JD Vance; Served 4 years, 6 months of which was in Iraq as a base photographer.

 

So it seems military service is an exaggerrated vote winner. I'm sure if I went through Primary Candidates for both parties I would find individuals with substantive post-war combat experience, but ultimately it counted for nothing.

 

The obvious example of a losing candidate with substantive experience was John McCain, and it really did him no good, and in fact was used negatively against him by members of his own party.

 

Other losing candidates:

 

Mike Dukakis; in Army after the Korean War

Bob Dole; wounded WW2 veteran

John Kerry; Vietnam War, 3 Purple heart, 1 silver star, 1 bronze star. The whole Swift Boating nonsense marred all that, as his opponants sought to downplay his military experience, perhaps a portend of the absolute weaponising of the topic.

 

 

 

 

 

[MicroB]

19 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

At least people are talking about peace now. It will be tough though. Putin wants the Russian speaking areas of eastern Ukraine, while Zelensky wants the money flow to continue. I think Trump will resolve this, but it will take time.

 

The US are now blocking RAF RC135 Rivet Joint patrols from sharing raw data, leading to a 15% in accuracy of artillery.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/07/russia-launches-huge-strikes-across-ukraine-as-us-halts-intelligence-sharing

 

All the UK can do is supply a highly filtered version of the data.

 

Presumably the American president hasn't slept a wink since Monday as he seeks to resolve the greatest global crisis in his 78 years on this Earth, as he doesn't want any Ukrainian kiddies having to die while the adults argue.

 

Sharing Intelligence data costs the US nothing, except for the data that's leaking at their end to the Russian military. The American president has done this as a way to cause more Ukrainians to die, in uniform, but mostly civilian, to force the Ukrainian government to bend to his will.

 

Its not about sacks of dollars arriving in Kiev. Ukraine does have money if it was only about Ukraine having the ability to place an order with a US ammunition manufacturer. The US has physically blocked delivery of ammunition. They also will block delivery of purchased materiel from the US. They have the power to block delivery of US made ammunition by other countries. Both sides use essentially Soviet tactics, which uses ammunition at a ferocious rate.

 

 

[riclag]

7 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Oh dear......you may want to check how many ex presidents avoided the draft, before posting infantile comments?

Of the presidents whose lifetimes overlapped with the Vietnam draft, four who served as president after the war avoided it: Clinton, G. W. Bush, Trump, and Biden. That’s four out of the six post-Vietnam presidents who were of draft-eligible age at the time (excluding Obama and G. H. W. Bush for age reasons). All used legal deferments—student, medical, or Guard service—common among the 15 million men who avoided Vietnam service out of 27 million eligible.

Avoiding the draft wasn’t rare. Over half the eligible men didn’t serve, thanks to deferments (9 million got them), exemptions, or high lottery numbers after 1969. Presidents reflect that trend—many were from privileged backgrounds with access to education or connections. No president since Vietnam saw combat there, though some earlier ones (like Nixon) served in prior wars

 

This nonsense has been goin on for what seems like decades. Anything, I

mean anything to diminish his popularity, the lunatics on the left will always be there, trying to kill him, crash through the White House fence(Floyd riots) , shoot him and others up at a rally or assassinate him at MaraLago.

Secret service just took another lunatic out.

 

https://abc7.com/post/armed-man-shot-secret-service-white-house-president-trump-town/15996542/#

 

[Jingthing]

6 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

At least people are talking about peace now. It will be tough though. Putin wants the Russian speaking areas of eastern Ukraine, while Zelensky wants the money flow to continue. I think Trump will resolve this, but it will take time.

Trump couldn't resolve his way out of a paper bag. He knows all he can manage for that war is a complete surrender of Ukraine and when he fails to get any kind of real deal, he's got his scapegoat all selected, the bravest leader of our era, the president of Ukraine. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump couldn't resolve his way out of a paper bag. He knows all he can manage for that war is a complete surrender of Ukraine and when he fails to get any kind of real deal, he's got his scapegoat all selected, the bravest leader of our era, the president of Ukraine. 

That's the ticket, chin up & think positive🤣

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

That's the ticket, chin up & think positive🤣

So it's OK with you and "positive" that Trump is now helping Putin murder Ukrainian civilians? 

[LiamB80]

Europeans are cowards, the whole lot. They can’t fight their own battles. Imagine begging a country across the ocean to save you from Russians. 

[KireB]

14 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Oh dear......you may want to check how many ex presidents avoided the draft, before posting infantile comments?

Of the presidents whose lifetimes overlapped with the Vietnam draft, four who served as president after the war avoided it: Clinton, G. W. Bush, Trump, and Biden. That’s four out of the six post-Vietnam presidents who were of draft-eligible age at the time (excluding Obama and G. H. W. Bush for age reasons). All used legal deferments—student, medical, or Guard service—common among the 15 million men who avoided Vietnam service out of 27 million eligible.

Avoiding the draft wasn’t rare. Over half the eligible men didn’t serve, thanks to deferments (9 million got them), exemptions, or high lottery numbers after 1969. Presidents reflect that trend—many were from privileged backgrounds with access to education or connections. No president since Vietnam saw combat there, though some earlier ones (like Nixon) served in prior wars

 

So, all 4 were cowards who sent young men to war for the financial benefits of the American elites.

[MicroB]

32 minutes ago, KireB said:

So, all 4 were cowards who sent young men to war for the financial benefits of the American elites.

 

It probably says more about the background needed for anyone to succeed in politics; all of them came from families who had the means to influence the conscription process, whether working the deferment process, providing fake medical reports, manipulating the draft process. I think most families would do that if they could.

 

My great uncle was in the first world war. The story was he came back from the front, and was a quivering wreck. It seems he went AWOL, and the MPs came for him and sent him back. Nothing more was said, but he wasa miserable bugger for the rest of his life.

 

Another Great Uncle, from another half of the family, was a Beven boy in WW2. I gather he didn't get on with being in a coal mine, and went back home to London. No one turned him in, and he may have played the system. He obviously brought himself enough time that by the time they came for him, the war was nearly over. He went to court, and was offered the choice, prison or National Service. He opted for the latter, got into the Royal Engineers, and then just as he finished Basic, the war was over. Had a stint in West Germany, which got him going on his import-export Delboy business. Nothing more said.

 

ie The 47th President is not a coward, or rather was never given the chance to show if he was a coward or not. The decision for him to join the army was taken away from him by a father, who's own dad evaded military service, for reasons that have never been clear. And elections show that detail in a candidate's background is overstated. Ultimately, who cares what a 70 year pld did when they were 18.

[KireB]

2 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

It probably says more about the background needed for anyone to succeed in politics; all of them came from families who had the means to influence the conscription process, whether working the deferment process, providing fake medical reports, manipulating the draft process. I think most families would do that if they could.

 

My great uncle was in the first world war. The story was he came back from the front, and was a quivering wreck. It seems he went AWOL, and the MPs came for him and sent him back. Nothing more was said, but he wasa miserable bugger for the rest of his life.

 

Another Great Uncle, from another half of the family, was a Beven boy in WW2. I gather he didn't get on with being in a coal mine, and went back home to London. No one turned him in, and he may have played the system. He obviously brought himself enough time that by the time they came for him, the war was nearly over. He went to court, and was offered the choice, prison or National Service. He opted for the latter, got into the Royal Engineers, and then just as he finished Basic, the war was over. Had a stint in West Germany, which got him going on his import-export Delboy business. Nothing more said.

 

ie The 47th President is not a coward, or rather was never given the chance to show if he was a coward or not. The decision for him to join the army was taken away from him by a father, who's own dad evaded military service, for reasons that have never been clear. And elections show that detail in a candidate's background is overstated. Ultimately, who cares what a 70 year pld did when they were 18.

I believe that people who have never fought a war, should never sent other to their demise. Eat the rich, Trump can send his infantile son.

[spidermike007]

The least patriotic president in American history. You redefines the word coward. 

 

His former chief of staff John Kelly, a retired general, has alleged that Trump referred to Americans killed in World War I as “suckers” and “losers.” Trump has denied that allegation.

 

The 74-year-old retired Army veteran was Trump’s superior—the first captain, or highest-ranking cadet—in Trump’s 1964 graduating class at the New York Military Academy. White said he witnessed up close Trump’s contempt for military service, discipline, and tradition, as well his ungoverned sense of entitlement, all helped along by his father Fred Trump’s generous donations to the school.

 

“No, those remarks absolutely didn’t surprise me. In my dealings with him he was a heartless, obnoxious son of a bitch,” White told me in an interview over the weekend. 

 

According to White and other former classmates at the academy, Trump’s five years there, coupled with the disregard for U.S. military traditions he learned at his father’s knee, helps explain a great deal of the president’s reported contempt for those who fought, died, or were wounded in America’s wars, as well as his skeptical view of the need for the United States to fight in places like Vietnam and Iraq.

 

According to the Atlantic magazine, during a trip to France to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 U.S. Marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers.” Indicating that he didn’t understand why the United States had intervened at all in Europe in 1917, Trump also reportedly asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?”

 

The Atlantic article, portions of which have been corroborated by the Associated Press, the Washington Post, and Fox News, also reported that when Trump aborted a visit to another World War I cemetery, blaming the weather, he remarked, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In addition, Trump reportedly said that the presence of maimed U.S. veterans would upset spectators at a military parade, commenting, “Nobody wants to see that.”

 

Trump’s comments appeared to be in line with the attitude he reportedly evinced on Memorial Day 2017, when he visited the grave of 1st Lt. Robert Kelly, the son of his then-homeland security secretary and later chief of staff John Kelly. Standing at the grave of the younger Kelly, who died in Afghanistan in 2010, Trump reportedly turned to the secretary and said: “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”

 

“This whole thing is as much about his disrespect for all types of service as about the military, but it was clear to me he saw value in claiming military bona fides,” said Michael D’Antonio, a Trump biographer.

 

But the academy did leave Trump with his love of superficial military grandeur, especially parades and medals. In 2016, then-candidate Trump told a supporter who gave him a copy of his Purple Heart: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.”

 

Trump’s apparent disdain for the military continues a long family tradition. His grandfather left Germany to avoid military service in the late 1800s, while his father never served. According to Mary Trump’s book, both Fred Trump Sr. and Donald Trump harshly criticized the decision by her father, the president’s older brother, Fred Trump Jr., to join the U.S. Air National Guard. Trump himself sought multiple draft deferments to avoid the Vietnam War. A number of Trump biographers have confirmed that Trump evaded the Vietnam draft, and he himself has admitted to the Washington Post, “I had a lot of deferments,” and he “always felt somewhat guilty” about avoiding service.

 

What makes Trump different is that rather than justifying this subterfuge by questioning the war’s legitimacy, he impugned the intelligence and bravery of those who did fight, calling them suckers and labelling one of the most famous veterans, John McCain, a loser because he was captured and spent more than five years in a POW camp.”

 

It’s real simple. His grandfather dodged the draft in Germany and his father never went in. And when I came back from Korea, in 1972, I ran into him in New York City and told him where I’d been, he didn’t give a flying rip<deleted> that I’d been to Korea. He made barfing noises,” White said. “I said, ‘Holy <deleted>, you are a piece of work.’”

[freedomnow]

On 3/8/2025 at 3:39 AM, frank83628 said:

As usual, a comment of no substance and doest even make sence.

You dont even know what Trumps campaign policies were, you're a typical low information headline reader.

Trump has been doing exactly what he said he was going to do.

He is actively trying to end a war, something that no US president has done before.

 

'sense' not seance..... 😉

[mogandave]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The least patriotic president in American history. You redefines the word coward. 

 

His former chief of staff John Kelly, a retired general, has alleged that Trump referred to Americans killed in World War I as “suckers” and “losers.” Trump has denied that allegation.

 

The 74-year-old retired Army veteran was Trump’s superior—the first captain, or highest-ranking cadet—in Trump’s 1964 graduating class at the New York Military Academy. White said he witnessed up close Trump’s contempt for military service, discipline, and tradition, as well his ungoverned sense of entitlement, all helped along by his father Fred Trump’s generous donations to the school.

 

“No, those remarks absolutely didn’t surprise me. In my dealings with him he was a heartless, obnoxious son of a bitch,” White told me in an interview over the weekend. 

 

According to White and other former classmates at the academy, Trump’s five years there, coupled with the disregard for U.S. military traditions he learned at his father’s knee, helps explain a great deal of the president’s reported contempt for those who fought, died, or were wounded in America’s wars, as well as his skeptical view of the need for the United States to fight in places like Vietnam and Iraq.

 

According to the Atlantic magazine, during a trip to France to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 U.S. Marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers.” Indicating that he didn’t understand why the United States had intervened at all in Europe in 1917, Trump also reportedly asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?”

 

The Atlantic article, portions of which have been corroborated by the Associated Press, the Washington Post, and Fox News, also reported that when Trump aborted a visit to another World War I cemetery, blaming the weather, he remarked, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In addition, Trump reportedly said that the presence of maimed U.S. veterans would upset spectators at a military parade, commenting, “Nobody wants to see that.”

 

Trump’s comments appeared to be in line with the attitude he reportedly evinced on Memorial Day 2017, when he visited the grave of 1st Lt. Robert Kelly, the son of his then-homeland security secretary and later chief of staff John Kelly. Standing at the grave of the younger Kelly, who died in Afghanistan in 2010, Trump reportedly turned to the secretary and said: “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”

 

“This whole thing is as much about his disrespect for all types of service as about the military, but it was clear to me he saw value in claiming military bona fides,” said Michael D’Antonio, a Trump biographer.

 

But the academy did leave Trump with his love of superficial military grandeur, especially parades and medals. In 2016, then-candidate Trump told a supporter who gave him a copy of his Purple Heart: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.”

 

Trump’s apparent disdain for the military continues a long family tradition. His grandfather left Germany to avoid military service in the late 1800s, while his father never served. According to Mary Trump’s book, both Fred Trump Sr. and Donald Trump harshly criticized the decision by her father, the president’s older brother, Fred Trump Jr., to join the U.S. Air National Guard. Trump himself sought multiple draft deferments to avoid the Vietnam War. A number of Trump biographers have confirmed that Trump evaded the Vietnam draft, and he himself has admitted to the Washington Post, “I had a lot of deferments,” and he “always felt somewhat guilty” about avoiding service.

 

What makes Trump different is that rather than justifying this subterfuge by questioning the war’s legitimacy, he impugned the intelligence and bravery of those who did fight, calling them suckers and labelling one of the most famous veterans, John McCain, a loser because he was captured and spent more than five years in a POW camp.”

 

It’s real simple. His grandfather dodged the draft in Germany and his father never went in. And when I came back from Korea, in 1972, I ran into him in New York City and told him where I’d been, he didn’t give a flying rip<deleted> that I’d been to Korea. He made barfing noises,” White said. “I said, ‘Holy <deleted>, you are a piece of work.’”

Why do you not care that both Clinton and Biden were both draft-dodgers? 

 

And you loved Tim Walz that abandoned his unit the moment he found out they would see combat.

 

Hypocrite 

[Celsius]

They are all scumbagz!!!!!!

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

What makes Trump different is that rather than justifying this subterfuge by questioning the war’s legitimacy, he impugned the intelligence and bravery of those who did fight, calling them suckers and labelling one of the most famous veterans, John McCain, a loser because he was captured and spent more than five years in a POW camp.”

I think you are mixing up a fake news media hoax (suckers and losers hoax) with Trump calling RINO warmonger McCain "songbird" for his antics in captivity?

 

Trump is a man that does not want to send millions of young men into the meatgrinder of war, as he views it as unneccessary and results from failed negotiations - or politicians in cahoots with weapons manufacturers. Luckily Trump is a Wizard level negotiator. 

 

What point in time did the liberal hivemind suddenly start loving wars and death? I preferred the traditional liberals with flowers in their hair, VW Kombis and the Grateful Dead. When did it all go so wrong for the left?

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I think you are mixing up a fake news media hoax (suckers and losers hoax) with Trump calling RINO warmonger McCain "songbird" for his antics in captivity?

 

Trump is a man that does not want to send millions of young men into the meatgrinder of war, as he views it as unneccessary and results from failed negotiations - or politicians in cahoots with weapons manufacturers. Luckily Trump is a Wizard level negotiator. 

 

What point in time did the liberal hivemind suddenly start loving wars and death? I preferred the traditional liberals with flowers in their hair, VW Kombis and the Grateful Dead. When did it all go so wrong for the left?

Loving war, death and big pharma. 

 

Trump’s comments about McCain were  despicable, but the suckers and losers is just one of the lies the Trump-onsessed haters love to regurgitate.

[Jim Blue]

On 3/6/2025 at 7:26 PM, Stocky said:

Not sure who laughed but I didn't mean it as a joke. The knuckle dragger in chief might not have the smarts to spot the opportunity, but there are plenty within his inner circle who have, and lack any scruples about doing so. 

You mean  bet the market was going to tank !