Is it possible Trump is trying to sabotage the world economy?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Once one stands by and lets someone like Putin blatantly violate the agreements he has signed then the precedent is set and subsequent leaders also being weak try their damnest to avoid any conflict except ones in which the US has a vested monetary/minerals/oil interest

I agree that the west's leaders are weaklings and allow bad actors to trample us, as in welcoming illegal immigrants, and not stopping them landing, as they should.

However, if you are going to reference Putin and agreements, you must also reference NATO breaking it's agreements not to expand to the east. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander, etc.

[Presnock]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree that the west's leaders are weaklings and allow bad actors to trample us, as in welcoming illegal immigrants, and not stopping them landing, as they should.

However, if you are going to reference Putin and agreements, you must also reference NATO breaking it's agreements not to expand to the east. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander, etc.

Once Russia began earlier in Georgia, that cemented Europe and the other bordering Russia countrires that Russia was not to be trusted.  It is losing game for sure, all need to sit down and redraw the lines but we know that will never happen.  Just like now Trump supposedly sent a letter to Iran wanting to set up a new anti nuke agreement.  But, Trump being Trump also negotiated the trade agreements with Mexico and Canada which he wants to tear up and negotiate again I guess so we can see what he wants to give up.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Presnock said:

Once Russia began earlier in Georgia, that cemented Europe and the other bordering Russia countrires that Russia was not to be trusted.  It is losing game for sure, all need to sit down and redraw the lines but we know that will never happen.  Just like now Trump supposedly sent a letter to Iran wanting to set up a new anti nuke agreement.  But, Trump being Trump also negotiated the trade agreements with Mexico and Canada which he wants to tear up and negotiate again I guess so we can see what he wants to give up.

Simply explained by the Great Game, that has been since centuries.

 

Humans have killed each other since humans evolved and not going to change till the last human expires, IMO. It's in the genes.

[Harrisfan]

1 hour ago, JAG said:

No, most emphatically not.

 

During my long, if not particularly glorious service in the army I served in a number of wars and conflicts. ( two of them American led, and both of which were essentially a waste of blood and treasure). Unlike many here I am aware of the horrors of war, and have seen it's effects upon soldiers and civilians. I come from a society (Europe), which has twice been ripped apart by the bloody horrors of war.

 

I am also, as a former soldier and a student of history aware that there are times, terrible as it is, when one has to fight to prevent an even greater evil. Ukraine is one of those, simply because if Putin gets what he wants in Ukraine he will go on to unleash still greater horrors on the Baltic and Eastern Europe.

 

To reduce the whole arguement to such glib political sloganeering as "Are you not a pro war guy" with a silly little emoji is silly, demeaning to the victims of war, demeaning to those who have fought, and deeply offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

After 20 years Putin has 20% of Ukraine aged 72yo. He ain't going anywhere. The anti Putin at all costs attitude is stupid. His best days are long gone.

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course he's manipulated. We all are, from the age we can read ( or more likely watch ) an advertisement, or realise that if we want to "fit in" with other people we have to wear jeans, listen to 50,000 varieties of garbage noise on a mobile phone and call it music, buy some tech that costs 50 times as much as some other brand that does the same job, get pissed or high ( depending on which mob of sheeple we want to be in ), be influenced by idiots on social media, and spend our money on disposable garbage.

IMO the real manipulation is done by people we will never know, who's only god is money and power, and are OK with condemning millions to death in stupid or pointless wars over something that could be resolved with some good faith and dialogue.

Their greatest achievement is fooling the masses that we do things because we choose to, and that "democracy" exists.

 

Eventually, humans will join the dinosaurs in the garbage bin of failed species, and hopefully the next version will be kinder to each other and care for the environment more than the present barbarians running the human world.

I think there is no question that we stopped evolving as a species 30 or 40 years ago, and we have been devolving ever since. We are not going in the right direction on the vast majority of levels. 

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO revolutions are created by the 1%, who always survive to still control the sheeple. There are more profits to be made in chaos than in peace, hence wars will continue and the Secretary General of the UN or whichever organisation replaces it will be fully occupied in wringing his/ her hands and begging us to play nicely.

Exactly. And perhaps the best explanation yet for all the chaos created by the current creep, who pretends to be in charge. 

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can we expect another 3 something years of this sort of nonsense from the OP? Hatred will hurt the OP more than Trump, who doesn't know that the OP exists.

Yes, absolutely. None of this hurts me as I really don't take it all that seriously. I'm having fun with it. Trump is an outstanding target and he sets himself up for derision and criticism with his constant nonsense, and his ridiculous policies.

 

One always has to speak truth to power, and I will not stop till he's gone, and believe me he will be gone soon enough. 

[candide]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree that the west's leaders are weaklings and allow bad actors to trample us, as in welcoming illegal immigrants, and not stopping them landing, as they should.

However, if you are going to reference Putin and agreements, you must also reference NATO breaking it's agreements not to expand to the east. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander, etc.

Where is this mysterious agreement signed by the U.S. or NATO countries? 

[Presnock]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Simply explained by the Great Game, that has been since centuries.

 

Humans have killed each other since humans evolved and not going to change till the last human expires, IMO. It's in the genes.

yeah depending on one's belief in humankind, if the Sumerian " those fallen from the sky" used various animals with gene therapy to "develop" thier worker bees.  Must have used some really wild Chimps, gorillas or monkeys.    Yeah I note today's news, NC I blv used the firing squad to put a criminal to death!  That should upset some folks but with the Trump antics, it is difficult to find anything else newsworthy.

[TinyTimmy]

On 3/8/2025 at 12:34 PM, spidermike007 said:

I think it's becoming increasingly more obvious with his "cycle insanity" that Trump could be looking to destroy the US economy, intentionally.  There are few other reasons why, and there are few other explanations.

 

Trump is just trying to get revenge on everyone he hates, especially anyone he thinks has been disloyal to him.  There is no other strategy or planning than that.   He couldn't care less whether or not he destroys the US economy or even destroys the entire country in the process, but that is not really his intent.  It's all about revenge.

[Patong2021]

On 3/8/2025 at 1:14 AM, BritManToo said:

Best not to use trading partners for essential goods, leaves you at their mercy.

 

When respected, it ensures secure and reliable supply chains.

During Covid, the USA  broke multiple agreements and screwed Canada over a few times on medical supplies andt ried to really <deleted> them over on vaccines. EU respected its vaccine supply agreement with Canada and showed how it works when  particapants are ethical.

 

On 3/8/2025 at 1:19 AM, SLOWHAND225 said:

No, he's not. America has zero interest in a NWO.
This is great though

 

JUST IN: https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1e8-1f1f3.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1e8-1f1e6.svg China imposes 100% tariffs on select Canadian imports.

 

https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1898182680136573145

see  explanation below and it shows the USA to be untrustworthy.

 

23 hours ago, candide said:

After Canada imposed duties in October on Chinese-made electric vehicles and steel and aluminum products.

 

Done at demand of USA. Canada was  reluctant and wanted to negotiate with China. USA  was very pushy.

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I too, am "a former soldier and a student of history", and I see no reason to claim that Russia taking the Russian aligned Eastern areas of Ukraine is any indication that the Russian tanks will be trundling through the Arc de Triomphe in due course.

 

My life's wars, Vietnam and Afghanistan part 1 were  touted as stopping the Communists, and failed utterly to do so ( Gorbachev ended Afghanistan, not the allies ). The other major conflicts, bar the Korean adventure, were based on BS, and oil IMO. The exception would be Afghanistan Part 2 which went on for 20 years for reasons I can not deduce- it certainly wasn't for oil and it wasn't so Afghan girls could go to school.

 

The only one in which I think we should get involved, stopping China taking Taiwan ( if it's not just BS by Xi yanking our chain ), is likely to be ignored, bar wringing of hands and some words ( providing the chip making facilities are safely in the US prior to conflict ).

 

Russia was defeated in Afghanistan. The US funded and supplied Taliban and others, inflicted terrible losses on Russia and the Russian conscripts wanted out. The war was bankrupting Russia and wasn't worth it.

 

You will be singing a different tune when China annexes  low populated New Zealand. Easy to do. 9,500 active military can  be neutralized in a few days and the population are docile. USA won't defend and Australians would not be able to. China can sail a flotilla within a week and apply Trump's logic of needing New Zealand for self defense.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

When respected, it ensures secure and reliable supply chains.

During Covid, the USA  broke multiple agreements and screwed Canada over a few times on medical supplies andt ried to really <deleted> them over on vaccines. EU respected its vaccine supply agreement with Canada and showed how it works when  particapants are ethical.

 

see  explanation below and it shows the USA to be untrust

No need for any medical supplies, it was just a cold.

[Cameroni]

10 minutes ago, TinyTimmy said:

 

Trump is just trying to get revenge on everyone he hates, especially anyone he thinks has been disloyal to him.  There is no other strategy or planning than that.   He couldn't care less whether or not he destroys the US economy or even destroys the entire country in the process, but that is not really his intent.  It's all about revenge.

 

The US economy has survived:

 

1. World War 1

 

2. The GREAT depression

 

3. World War 2

 

4.  The Korean and Vietnam wars

 

5. The Saudi Oil shocks

 

6. The Russian Debt crisis

 

7. The Asia financial crisis

 

8. The Sub-Prime Mortgage financial crisis

 

9. Feminism

 

10. LGTBQ

 

11. Falling birth rates

 

And the US economy will damn sure survive a few tariffs. Don't worry people. This is just lefties trying to spread malcontent. As usual.

[TinyTimmy]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

And the US economy will damn sure survive a few tariffs. Don't worry people. This is just lefties trying to spread malcontent. As usual.

 

I didn't even say or suggest the economy wouldn't survive.   

[Patong2021]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

No need for any medical supplies, it was just a cold.

 

Can't do surgery and  most care without medical supplies like surgical gowns, gloves, masks etc.

Would you want your physician  checking your prostate bare handed?  How about your dentist doing a root canal  without a mask or gloves?

[Patong2021]

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The US economy has survived:

 

1. World War 1

 

2. The GREAT depression

 

3. World War 2

 

4.  The Korean and Vietnam wars

 

5. The Saudi Oil shocks

 

6. The Russian Debt crisis

 

7. The Asia financial crisis

 

8. The Sub-Prime Mortgage financial crisis

 

9. Feminism

 

10. LGTBQ

 

11. Falling birth rates

 

And the US economy will damn sure survive a few tariffs. Don't worry people. This is just lefties trying to spread malcontent. As usual.

 

Economies always survive. The quality though is a different matter.  The US economy continued during the Great Depression, but many citizens starved or froze to death.

US has had multiple economic meltdowns where its  poor die and its wealthy often lose their fortunes. No worries, right?

[PREM-R]

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The US economy has survived:

 

1. World War 1

 

2. The GREAT depression

 

3. World War 2

 

4.  The Korean and Vietnam wars

 

5. The Saudi Oil shocks

 

6. The Russian Debt crisis

 

7. The Asia financial crisis

 

8. The Sub-Prime Mortgage financial crisis

 

9. Feminism

 

10. LGTBQ

 

11. Falling birth rates

 

And the US economy will damn sure survive a few tariffs. Don't worry people. This is just lefties trying to spread malcontent. As usual.

The US has never faced a foe like Trump.  During the events you list there was never any doubt about the impartiality of the Supreme Court, there was never any issue of separation of the government and the judiciary.  The events you list are either external attacks or limited to particular sectors of the 'body' of the country.  The threat trump presents is that of a 'cancer', all pervasive and moving from 'organ to organ'.  America, and consequently the free world, has never faced such dark times.

[PREM-R]

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The US economy has survived:

 

1. World War 1

 

2. The GREAT depression

 

3. World War 2

 

4.  The Korean and Vietnam wars

 

5. The Saudi Oil shocks

 

6. The Russian Debt crisis

 

7. The Asia financial crisis

 

8. The Sub-Prime Mortgage financial crisis

 

9. Feminism

 

10. LGTBQ

 

11. Falling birth rates

 

And the US economy will damn sure survive a few tariffs. Don't worry people. This is just lefties trying to spread malcontent. As usual.

The US has never faced a foe like Trump.  During the events you list there was never any doubt about the impartiality of the Supreme Court, there was never any issue of separation of the government and the judiciary.  The events you list are either external attacks or limited to particular sectors of the 'body' of the country.  The threat trump presents is that of a 'cancer', all pervasive and moving from 'organ to organ'.  America, and consequently the free world, has never faced such dark times.

[Cameroni]

25 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Economies always survive. The quality though is a different matter.  The US economy continued during the Great Depression, but many citizens starved or froze to death.

US has had multiple economic meltdowns where its  poor die and its wealthy often lose their fortunes. No worries, right?

 

Exactly. Looking at Germany, a country that was completely destroyed after WWII but within the space of a few years managed to rebuild and become more economically powerful than ever we should take these "destroy the American economy" attempts at panic with a James Bond like smile.

 

The quality of the US economy after the Great Depression MASSIVELY improved. MASSIVELY! 

 

So that's the point isn't it? To grow, to improve, there are always growing pains. Yes, there may be a little disturbance, but ultimately the far sighted policies of Mr Trump will lead to a stronger and qualitatively better economy.  

 

People die every day. Fortunes like the Vanderbilt fortune disappeared. Let's not let the cycle of life bring us down, because the upside will be magnificent. Yes, the Vanderbilts disappeared. But now we have Elon Musk. Isn't that a better outcome that makes your heart rejoice, Patong?

[Cameroni]

13 minutes ago, PREM-R said:

The US has never faced a foe like Trump.  During the events you list there was never any doubt about the impartiality of the Supreme Court, there was never any issue of separation of the government and the judiciary.  The events you list are either external attacks or limited to particular sectors of the 'body' of the country.  The threat trump presents is that of a 'cancer', all pervasive and moving from 'organ to organ'.  America, and consequently the free world, has never faced such dark times.

 

Lol, your antipathy towards Trump does not make him your foe, he doesn't even know you exist. Nor is he the foe of the US. Quite the contrary, his economic policies will make the US stronger and more competitive.

 

The Great Depression was limited to a particular sector of the country? I don't think so.

 

Trump is not a cancer, but he is removing a lot of the cancer that has been eating away at the fabric of  modern America, and like all cancers those affected by the chemotherapy are now acting up and trying to cause as much pain as possible. The sooner they will be gone, or reduced to insignificance, the better.

[pub2022]

Is it possible that you're mentally not capable?

[candide]

1 hour ago, TinyTimmy said:

 

Trump is just trying to get revenge on everyone he hates, especially anyone he thinks has been disloyal to him.  There is no other strategy or planning than that.   He couldn't care less whether or not he destroys the US economy or even destroys the entire country in the process, but that is not really his intent.  It's all about revenge.

It's all about himself. On top of it, he doesn't care about being re-elected as he's not allowed to.

Après moi, le déluge! 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Can't do surgery and  most care without medical supplies like surgical gowns, gloves, masks etc.

Would you want your physician  checking your prostate bare handed?  How about your dentist doing a root canal  without a mask or gloves?

I don't believe in surgery.

And I'd prefer doctors and dentists not to be diseased.

[Patong2021]

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't believe in surgery.

And I'd prefer doctors and dentists not to be diseased.

 

Ok, but others would prefer not to leave a malignant tumor growing. Others don't want to ignore their dental health. Your desires  are for your life and fortunately you have no say in national admninistration.

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Ok, but others would prefer not to leave a malignant tumor growing. Others don't want to ignore their dental health. Your desires  are for your life and fortunately you have no say in national admninistration.

Kennedy seems to feel the same way, and he is in charge!

Doctor/Big Pharma worship is as crazy as any other religious beliefs.

[cjinchiangrai]

Trump works for Putin, so if trashing western economies is good for Putin, that is what the orange traitor will do.

[Cameroni]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

Trump works for Putin, so if trashing western economies is good for Putin, that is what the orange traitor will do.

 

This is truly insane.

[Presnock]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I think there is no question that we stopped evolving as a species 30 or 40 years ago, and we have been devolving ever since. We are not going in the right direction on the vast majority of levels. 

actually, I noticed even among my generation, the men replacing me in VN circa 1968 were more like the generation after mine.  Even when I returned to the US, I found the same among those that avoided the draft by going to college or heel spurs.  Now, I still belong on FB with my high school folks - most of them stay in the same general area since we graduated in 1964 - those that went elsewhere for college eventually moved back to the little town and they seemed to stop growing mentally.  Or maybe it is just me.

[cjinchiangrai]

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

This is truly insane.

Do you have a better explanation?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

No need for any medical supplies, it was just a cold.

You know better than epidemiologists and virologists. Any SEM will tell you coronavirus is not rhinovirus.

 

Please post your qualifications in the medical field.