Biden AutoPen Signature scandal

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4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If it can be shown that Biden was unaware of what he was "signing", or if it can be shown that staff were using his signature, I think they could be voided. 

 

But there is no way Biden will go against his staffers. 

The current Supreme Court has been very zealous in protecting the Power of the Presidency. In some ways over the top. Given that there is a Constitutional mechanism for removing a President judged to be unfit, I doubt the Supreme Court would accept such arguments.

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5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If it can be shown that Biden was unaware of what he was "signing", or if it can be shown that staff were using his signature, I think they could be voided. 

 

But there is no way Biden will go against his staffers. 

The current Supreme Court has been very zealous in protecting the Power of the Presidency. In some ways over the top. Given that there is a Constitutional mechanism for removing a President judged to be unfit, I doubt the Supreme Court would accept such arguments.

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

He too far gone to remember.

Which brings me back to the Hurr interview . Remember the audio recording 

Garland refused to submit!

 

 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Rather than constantly discussing/attacking other members, why do you not try to come up a comment of you own?

You quoted the wrong person there. 

[Yellowtail]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The current Supreme Court has been very zealous in protecting the Power of the Presidency. In some ways over the top. Given that there is a Constitutional mechanism for removing a President judged to be unfit, I doubt the Supreme Court would accept such arguments.

As I said, I do not see the pardons being canceled. 

 

It is my position that the court did not rule on the specific pardons. 

 

If Biden came out and said he had no knowledge of the signings (which he won't), and that it was something his staff did (which they likely did) I think the pardons would be canceled, and the staff prosecuted. 

 

Trump can't just cancel the pardons, nor can Biden for that matter. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

You quoted the wrong person there. 

Rather than constantly discussing/attacking other members, why do you not try to come up a comment of you own?

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

 

Riclag - you refer to the $8 million that DOGE/Trump claim had been spent on making mice transgender. That claim is just slimey self-serving nonsense. 

 

Bear in mind that $8 million is anyway, a paltrey sum in the USA budget.

 

Here are some of the Research projects included in that sum :-

 

e.g. the impact of hormone therapy and oestrogen supplements in respect of breast cancer.

 

e.g. the impact of hormone therapy and it's possible affect on an HIV vaccine development.

 

e.g. looking at the possible links between hormone therapy and asthma.

 

I don't have a background in medical science but evenso, it's evident that DOGE/Trump and the Trumptie Numpties have got this wrong.

 

Wilful and misleading nonsense - the hallmark of Chief Numptie, Trump !

 

Listen to this at 4 mins 50 secs in https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0028swz
 

(you may need to copy this link and search to make it work - good luck)

 

 

Assuming that "hormone therapy" refers to the drugs males use to pretend to be a female, why should the rest of us pay to do research on that? If they are worried about it don't take the hormones, or pay for the research themselves.

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Assuming that "hormone therapy" refers to the drugs males use to pretend to be a female, why should the rest of us pay to do research on that? If they are worried about it don't take the hormones, or pay for the research themselves.

You make a lot of specious assumptions.

[TorquayFan]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Assuming that "hormone therapy" refers to the drugs males use to pretend to be a female, why should the rest of us pay to do research on that? If they are worried about it don't take the hormones, or pay for the research themselves.

 TBL - there are many kinds of hormone therapy and it has many uses. According to the Report I heard, gender matters were not the subject of any part of the $8 million spent. So as usual, the Trump/Musk spin was basically, lies. Thanks for reply.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, TorquayFan said:

 TBL - there are many kinds of hormone therapy and it has many uses. According to the Report I heard, gender matters were not the subject of any part of the $8 million spent. So as usual, the Trump/Musk spin was basically, lies. Thanks for reply.

What report did you hear? 

[TorquayFan]

Hello Yellowtail. It was on a BBC programme "More or Less", the first feature on 12th March 2025 starting at about 4 mins 50 seconds in. It's a program whose writer is dedicated to looking at statistics and debunking them if necessary.

 

You might like to look back - they have 722 episodes on file.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0028swz

 

They also dealt with Trump/Vance desperate claims that the USA has given Ukraine $350 billion, which turns out to be, from memory, $122 billion, 16% of which was loans. Europe has sent about $20 billion more than that.

 

If you have a VPN I expect you can access the programme from Thailand. ATB

 

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, TorquayFan said:

Hello Yellowtail. It was on a BBC programme "More or Less", the first feature on 12th March 2025 starting at about 4 mins 50 seconds in. It's a program whose writer is dedicated to looking at statistics and debunking them if necessary.

 

You might like to look back - they have 722 episodes on file.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0028swz

 

They also dealt with Trump/Vance desperate claims that the USA has given Ukraine $350 billion, which turns out to be, from memory, $122 billion, 16% of which was loans. Europe has sent about $20 billion more than that.

 

If you have a VPN I expect you can access the programme from Thailand. ATB

 

So it was just a claim and not an actual report, thanks. 

[TorquayFan]

Yellowtail. No. What Trump said was 'just a claim' !

 

The 'More or Less' analysis has researched the available statistics.

 

Listen to the link I sent you. I think you'll find it credible . . .

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Yellowtail. No. What Trump said was 'just a claim' !

 

The 'More or Less' analysis has researched the available statistics.

 

Listen to the link I sent you. I think you'll find it credible . . .

bbc.co.uk credible? That's hilarious. 

[spidermike007]

So far it would appear that Trump is even less competent  than Biden, and significantly more insane, unhinged, unworthy, and undignified. He may go down in the history as the 46th worst ever, he has an awful lot to prove in order to make sure that's not the case. 

 

And it would appear that Trump has BDS, and it would appear that his obsession prevents him from talking about real issues. Unless you call his Gaza development plan a real issue. A big smoke screen it would appear. 

[TorquayFan]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

bbc.co.uk credible? That's hilarious. 

 

Yellowtail - you know it's a conspiracists' hook to dismiss everything you don't like - you are then in control and vindicated. A pathetic stance of our times which I often come across.

 

I take the BBC as I find it and don't trust them blindly. Listen to the fecking link and make your own mind up instead of being as weird as you are.

 

Or close your eyes . . . . . .

[TorquayFan]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

So far it would appear that Trump is even less competent  than Biden, and significantly more insane, unhinged, unworthy, and undignified. He may go down in the history as the 46th worst ever, he has an awful lot to prove in order to make sure that's not the case. 

 

And it would appear that Trump has BDS, and it would appear that his obsession prevents him from talking about real issues. Unless you call his Gaza development plan a real issue. A big smoke screen it would appear. 

 Spider I agree with your post but with respect, I think you mean Trump ranks as the 1st worst of 46 Presidents ? Trump is in his World of his own. It's painful to watch.

 

The Guy is a joke . . .

 

[rough diamond]

29 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Trump is in his World of his own. It's painful to watch.

 

The Guy is a joke . . .

Jokes are meant to be funny which is one thing Trump is not!

He is deranged and dangerous.

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I think this "autopen scandal" is quickly going the way of the "jeffrey epstein document scandal". We haven't heard much about that one lately.

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

I think this "autopen scandal" is quickly going the way of the "jeffrey epstein document scandal". We haven't heard much about that one lately.

 

darkest hour is just before the dawn. But steady on, we did get the JFK files today, only took half a decade. Great having an honest and transparent administration back in the white house, isn't it.

[jerrymahoney]

Seems to me the issue of whether the Biden pardons are valid is moot until one of those e.g. Ms. Cheney is indicted by a federal grand jury for something like evidence tampering.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Seems to me the issue of whether the Biden pardons are valid is moot until one of those e.g. Ms. Cheney is indicted by a federal grand jury for something like evidence tampering.

 

That's a problem.  And the motive behind the proactive pardons.  Why would they even investigate her role if she has been pardoned? 

 

They were done to sweep it all under a rug.  Which is dodgy itself.  And we'll probably never know if Biden was even aware of a lot of what was signed on his behalf. 

 

The only thing we know for sure is that he's an old man with such a poor memory that he was unfit to stand trial.  And that was covered up.

 

[riclag]

I’d like to see those audio  recordings come to light!

 

Biden had 5 hours of , pause, ah ah, er er, gaffes  and most importantly, offering up utterances. There must’ve been some real genuine fodder to examine.

[jerrymahoney]

WH Press Secretary Ms. Leavitt in her recent press conference suggested that there may be criminal behavior regarding these pardons. So, they would have to get a grand jury in Washington DC to indict a former Biden administration staff member.

[Yellowtail]

35 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

WH Press Secretary Ms. Leavitt in her recent press conference suggested that there may be criminal behavior regarding these pardons. So, they would have to get a grand jury in Washington DC to indict a former Biden administration staff member.

All they have to do is make clear and publicize the corruption, and it puts everyone on without pardons on notice. They do not need a conviction; they only need public support. 

[jerrymahoney]

Anyone as of now without a pardon who wanted a pardon would have to get the pardon at least for the next 4 years or so from Mr. +Trump.

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8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

darkest hour is just before the dawn. But steady on, we did get the JFK files today, only took half a decade. Great having an honest and transparent administration back in the white house, isn't it.

What exactly is honest and transparent about this White House? Going after those perceived to be your enemies is a mark of transparency? It is to laugh.

 

If you want to see where this administration stands on transparency, look no further than Musk's recent concealment of information that would allow his claims about savings and government fraud to be checked on. 

 

[Yellowtail]

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What exactly is honest and transparent about this White House? Going after those perceived to be your enemies is a mark of transparency? It is to laugh.

Sounds like the last administration going after Trump. 

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

If you want to see where this administration stands on transparency, look no further than Musk's recent concealment of information that would allow his claims about savings and government fraud to be checked on. 

Per who? 

 

What information on these programs was available during the last Biden administration? 

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

 Spider I agree with your post but with respect, I think you mean Trump ranks as the 1st worst of 46 Presidents ? Trump is in his World of his own. It's painful to watch.

 

The Guy is a joke . . .

 

Yes correct, I meant the second worst out of 47 presidents. Time will bear this out. 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes correct, I meant the second worst out of 47 presidents. Time will bear this out. 

You mean there has been a US President worse than Trump?

Who the hell was that?