Ukraine Backs U.S. Ceasefire Proposal, Awaiting Russian Response

[candide]

14 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

So, you admit that the Ukraine Army had/has some Neo Nazi crap going on in the pro-Russian areas of Ukraine?

 

Cos it seems to me that you tried to avoid acknowledging the evidence I showed (after asking me to post it, lol) and just retorted with some links to Putin doing the same thing, as some kind of pathetic "he did it too" deflection.

 

I had a look at your link. I saw two soldiers with nazi stickers. It seems to be personal and not representing the whole army, as claimed by Russia propaganda, What about your claim about tanks with nazi signs?

[jas007]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

The reason was that the U.S. assessed that it would need such missiles against China.

 

Then you deflect about the fact that there is no need to put these missiles in Ukraine. Just in case your imaginary threat from NATO would be anything else than Russian propaganda! 🙂

Just remember, Trump isn't dealing with a fantasy world constructed by some delusional Neocons.  He is at the table with Russia, and for Russia, any kind of missiles that are close enough to hit strategic targets within Russia are an existential threat, including any missiles that might be deployed by NATO or European forces.  That's reality. Putin has been saying that for years, and he means it.  That's the reality that Trump will have to accept.  Russia won the war.  It's over, except for mopping up the mess.

 

The real trouble is yet to come.  The Middle East.  That's a real powder keg, and unfortunately, it's a big problem. 

[candide]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Just remember, Trump isn't dealing with a fantasy world constructed by some delusional Neocons.  He is at the table with Russia, and for Russia, any kind of missiles that are close enough to hit strategic targets within Russia are an existential threat, including any missiles that might be deployed by NATO or European forces.  That's reality. Putin has been saying that for years, and he means it.  That's the reality that Trump will have to accept.  Russia won the war.  It's over, except for mopping up the mess.

 

The real trouble is yet to come.  The Middle East.  That's a real powder keg, and unfortunately, it's a big problem. 

As I wrote before, there's no need to put them in Ukraine.

 

And if it were the real problem, it would be enough to forbid it in the agreement.

Your claim is just Russian propaganda. The real reason Putin opposes the presence of foreign troops in Ukraine is that it may prevent him from invading it again.

[transam]

15 hours ago, frank83628 said:

You saying agree' is like a monkey eating a sandwich..

You would know............🙊

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, FruitPudding said:

 

So, you admit that the Ukraine Army had/has some Neo Nazi crap going on in the pro-Russian areas of Ukraine?

 

Cos it seems to me that you tried to avoid acknowledging the evidence I showed (after asking me to post it, lol) and just retorted with some links to Putin doing the same thing, as some kind of pathetic "he did it too" deflection.

 

I accept there were neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

 

Now how about you accepting Putin has employed Neo-Nazi organizations within his military and has supported neo-Nazi organizations across Eastern Europe and beyond?

[FruitPudding]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I accept there were neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

 

Now how about you accepting Putin has employed Neo-Nazi organizations within his military and has supported neo-Nazi organizations across Eastern Europe and beyond?

 

I accept 👍 Why wouldn't I?

 

Nobody is pretending Putin is innocent. 

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

I accept 👍 Why wouldn't I?

 

Nobody is pretending Putin is innocent. 

No Putin is definitely not innocent, he’s the aggressor and illegal war.

 

 

 

[FruitPudding]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No Putin is definitely not innocent, he’s the aggressor and illegal war.

 

 

 

 

Please......Western countries would do the same thing if a military alliance between our adversaries was moving right up to our doorstep.

 

Imagine if a military alliance between Russia, China, North Korea, Iran etc. etc. began moving closer to American soil, say Cuba or Mexico. 

 

America would be in Cuba or Mexico in a second using force, making sure they didn't join. It would be a national security threat.

 

Yeah, I am talking about NATO, incase you aren't following

[candide]

16 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Please......Western countries would do the same thing if a military alliance between our adversaries was moving right up to our doorstep.

 

Imagine if a military alliance between Russia, China, North Korea, Iran etc. etc. began moving closer to American soil, say Cuba or Mexico. 

 

America would be in Cuba or Mexico in a second using force, making sure they didn't join. It would be a national security threat.

 

Yeah, I am talking about NATO, incase you aren't following

Nonsense. Mexico, for example, doesn't need to join such an alliance for fear of being invaded by the U.S.

 

Russia's problem is that it repells neighbouring countries and is unable to attract them (unless they are ruled by autocratic such as in Belarus).

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Please......Western countries would do the same thing if a military alliance between our adversaries was moving right up to our doorstep.

 

Imagine if a military alliance between Russia, China, North Korea, Iran etc. etc. began moving closer to American soil, say Cuba or Mexico. 

 

America would be in Cuba or Mexico in a second using force, making sure they didn't join. It would be a national security threat.

 

Yeah, I am talking about NATO, incase you aren't following

And that bit about Russia abducting tens of thousands of Ukrainian children. 
 

Would western nations do the same thing?

 

Or is this another Russian atrocity you feel the need to ignore, obfuscate or deny?

[FruitPudding]

32 minutes ago, candide said:

Nonsense. Mexico, for example, doesn't need to join such an alliance for fear of being invaded by the U.S.

 

Russia's problem is that it repells neighbouring countries and is unable to attract them (unless they are ruled by autocratic such as in Belarus).

 

What if Ireland joined such an alliance? 

 

What would Britain's reaction be?

 

Wars have been started for less.

[FruitPudding]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And that bit about Russia abducting tens of thousands of Ukrainian children. 
 

Would western nations do the same thing?

 

Or is this another Russian atrocity you feel the need to ignore, obfuscate or deny?

 

Not at all.

 

And I didn't ignore it - like most people on here -  when Palestine took Israeli children as hostages.

 

I wouldn't blame Ukraine - like most people did with Israel - if they gave Russia hell until every last hostage is returned. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Not at all.

 

And I didn't ignore it - like most people on here -  when Palestine took Israeli children as hostages.

 

I wouldn't blame Ukraine - like most people did with Israel - if they gave Russia hell until every last hostage is returned. 

Wandering off topic I see.