Vapers Beware

[dinsdale]

A friend of a friend (Thai) got busted at 4:00 am outside of where he works having a puff. Fine Bt10,000 or one year in jail. This is insanity on steroids. The entire vape scene has been shut down. Lots of very unhappy people. Is this shutdown, no longer a crackdown, about protecting the tobacco monopoly and not about health?

[connda]

This is 100% about protecting the tobacco monopoly. If they gave a sh*t about nicotine addiction they'd ban vaping and all tobacco products.  But they don't.  So it's bovine excrement (BS) that is aimed to throw people into jail to protect the monopolies.

[NorthernRyland]

17 minutes ago, connda said:

This is 100% about protecting the tobacco monopoly. If they gave a sh*t about nicotine addiction they'd ban vaping and all tobacco products.  But they don't.  So it's bovine excrement (BS) that is aimed to throw people into jail to protect the monopolies.

in Thailand there's nearly a 100% tax on domestic tobacco (not sure about imported but it's high too) so the tobacco lobby is losing sales and the government is loosing tax revenue. 

[ChipButty]

I see the question being asked many times in the Facebook tourist groups, are they illegal.....? 

10,000 wasn't too bad, I've heard here in Phuket 12 to 14,000 baht,

[dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I see the question being asked many times in the Facebook tourist groups, are they illegal.....? 

10,000 wasn't too bad, I've heard here in Phuket 12 to 14,000 baht,

or one year in jail. One year in jail for vaping. Insane. As for 12-14k my thought on this is that 10k is the official fine an the extra 2-4k being extorted in Phuket is going into pockets. Having said this this particular income stream must be running out as vapes are now impossible to get. 

[Yagoda]

There is evidence that Vaping can be more harmful than tobacco, so it makes sense on health grounds.

[dinsdale]

25 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

There is evidence that Vaping can be more harmful than tobacco, so it makes sense on health grounds.

Show me that evidence please.

NHS UK is one of many organisations that have a different view to yours.

Is vaping harmful?

Evidence shows that vaping is less harmful than smoking. Vaping exposes users to fewer toxins and at lower levels than smoking cigarettes.

Switching to vaping reduces your exposure to toxins that can cause cancer, lung disease, and diseases of the heart and circulation like heart attack and stroke.

However, vaping is not risk-free. Non-smokers and young people under 18 should not take up vaping.

https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/ready-to-quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/#:~:text=Evidence shows that vaping is,like heart attack and stroke.

And then there's this:

The most relevant question for smokers is whether vaping nicotine is less harmful than smoking the cigarettes it is designed to replace. The evidence suggests it is far less harmful. The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report² found substantial evidence that “exposure to potentially toxic substances from e-cigarettes is significantly lower compared with combustible tobacco cigarettes” and “reduced short-term adverse health outcomes in several organ systems.”²

Most of the research on the harms of e-cigarettes is from in vitro and animal studies. How these findings translate to health effects in humans is uncertain, when many human studies show substantial health improvements in smokers who switch to vaping.

https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(20)30754-6/fulltext

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Show me that evidence please.

NHS UK is one of many organisations that have a different view to yours.

Is vaping harmful?

Evidence shows that vaping is less harmful than smoking. Vaping exposes users to fewer toxins and at lower levels than smoking cigarettes.

Switching to vaping reduces your exposure to toxins that can cause cancer, lung disease, and diseases of the heart and circulation like heart attack and stroke.

However, vaping is not risk-free. Non-smokers and young people under 18 should not take up vaping.

https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/ready-to-quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/#:~:text=Evidence shows that vaping is,like heart attack and stroke.

And then there's this:

The most relevant question for smokers is whether vaping nicotine is less harmful than smoking the cigarettes it is designed to replace. The evidence suggests it is far less harmful. The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report² found substantial evidence that “exposure to potentially toxic substances from e-cigarettes is significantly lower compared with combustible tobacco cigarettes” and “reduced short-term adverse health outcomes in several organ systems.”²

Most of the research on the harms of e-cigarettes is from in vitro and animal studies. How these findings translate to health effects in humans is uncertain, when many human studies show substantial health improvements in smokers who switch to vaping.

https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(20)30754-6/fulltext

You must be a vaper.

 

Guess ya got to trust whats in your juice, huh. Made in China?

[dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You must be a vaper.

 

Guess ya got to trust whats in your juice, huh. Made in China?

I was a smoker for decades. Vaping got me off the cigs. My health improved a lot. Your claim was vaping is worse than cigarette smoking. Do you still stand by this? As for the juice there's no evidence to suggest that vape juice is more toxic than cigarette smoke. The fact of the matter it's less toxic as pointed out in my previous post. As for the 14 year old girl that died which was the trigger for this "shutdown" (smokescreen for true reason IMHO) I have my theory on this. She died of a cardiac arrest which was the cause given. Possible cause of this a massive nicotine overdose. Smoking 10 packets cigs in a day would probably be enough to kill an adult male. 

Children should not be vaping but adults should be free to as is the case with cigarettes. There is no hard evidence to say vapes are more deleterious to health than cigarettes indeed it's the opposite so health cannot be a legitimate basis for this "shutdown". 

[Yagoda]

Just now, dinsdale said:

I was a smoker for decades. Vaping got me off the cigs. My health improved a lot. Your claim was vaping is worse than cigarette smoking. Do you still stand by this? As for the juice there's no evidence to suggest that vape juice is more toxic than cigarette smoke. The fact of the matter it's less toxic as pointed out in my previous post. As for the 14 year old girl that died which was the trigger for this "shutdown" (smokescreen for true reason IMHO) I have my theory on this. She died of a cardiac arrest. Possible cause a massive nicotine overdose. Smoking 10 packets cigs in a day would probably be enough to kill an adult male. 

Children should not be vaping but adults should be free to as is the case with cigarettes. There is no hard evidence to say vapes are more deleterious to health than cigarettes indeed it's the opposite so health cannot be a basis for this "shutdown". 

I was a smoker for decades. I didnt claim anything other than the fact that there is evidence that vaping may be more harmful than smoking. If countries can ban additives in food, they can ban juice.

 

Are you denying the potential dangers of vaping?

 

Personally bro, I dont care either way and I vape weed.  If you need your vape so bad and they are strictly banned, go somewhere else. Thats how I deal with the weed issue...

 

BTW, if you need to Vape, go to Nana Plaza and be discreet

[Terek]

15 hours ago, dinsdale said:

A friend of a friend (Thai) got busted at 4:00 am outside of where he works having a puff. Fine Bt10,000 or one year in jail. This is insanity on steroids. The entire vape scene has been shut down. Lots of very unhappy people. Is this shutdown, no longer a crackdown, about protecting the tobacco monopoly and not about health?

It's not possible to fine anyone moreover put in jail for vaping because it's not prohibited by any law.  Just appeal that fine. I am wondering what is written there 😅. Usually corrupt cops extort moneys from gullible tourists this way only.

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, Terek said:

It's not possible to fine anyone moreover put in jail for vaping because it's not prohibited by any law.  Just appeal that fine. I am wondering what is written there 😅. Usually corrupt cops extort moneys from gullible tourists this way only.

As I said in the OP it was a Thai person that got done for vaping and not in any tourist area. Far from it in fact. I would like to know where you have gotten your information from that vaping isn't illegal.

[Rimmer]

A quick dive into the internet reveals the following with links:

 

Vaping introduces various harmful substances into the body, leading to several health risks:

Respiratory System:

• Lung Damage: The inhalation of chemicals like diacetyl, found in some e-cigarette flavors, has been linked to severe lung diseases, including bronchiolitis obliterans, commonly known as "popcorn lung."

  hopkinsmedicine.org

   

• Inflammation and Irritation: Vaping can cause inflammation and irritation of the airways, potentially leading to chronic respiratory conditions.

  my.clevelandclinic.org

   

Cardiovascular System:

• Heart Disease: Nicotine exposure from vaping increases heart rate and blood pressure, elevating the risk of heart disease and heart attacks.
  hopkinsmedicine.org

Nervous System:

• Addiction: Nicotine is highly addictive, leading to dependence and potential withdrawal symptoms.

  cdc.gov

   

• Brain Development: Nicotine exposure during adolescence can harm brain development, affecting areas responsible for attention, learning, and impulse control.

  lung.org

   

Oral Health:

• Tooth Decay and Gum Disease: Vaping can lead to dry mouth, increasing the risk of tooth decay and gum disease.

  thesun.ie

   

• 'Vape Tongue': This condition involves a temporary loss of taste due to excessive vaping.

  thesun.ie

   

Chemical Exposure:

• Toxic Substances: E-cigarette vapor contains harmful chemicals such as formaldehyde and acrolein, which can cause lung and heart diseases.

  lung.org

   

• Heavy Metals: Users may inhale metals like nickel, tin, and lead, which are toxic to the body.

  heart.org

   

Cancer Risk:

• Carcinogens: Some e-cigarette liquids contain carcinogenic substances, potentially increasing the risk of cancers, including lung cancer.
  cancer.org

Acute Lung Injury:

• EVALI: The use of e-cigarettes has been associated with E-cigarette or Vaping Product Use-Associated Lung Injury (EVALI), a serious condition causing symptoms like shortness of breath, cough, and chest pain.
  en.wikipedia.org

Vaping can expose users to various harmful substances, leading to significant health risks affecting multiple bodily systems.

 

[dinsdale]

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I was a smoker for decades. I didnt claim anything other than the fact that there is evidence that vaping may be more harmful than smoking. If countries can ban additives in food, they can ban juice.

 

Are you denying the potential dangers of vaping?

 

Personally bro, I dont care either way and I vape weed.  If you need your vape so bad and they are strictly banned, go somewhere else. Thats how I deal with the weed issue...

 

BTW, if you need to Vape, go to Nana Plaza and be discreet

I have previously said and will say again that no smoking is of course ideal but vaping is less harmful than cigs. As for dry herb vapes this isn't a practical alternative as it's not something I could have smoke at work or indeed anywhere in public where I am.