Nightmare in Kursk: Ukrainian Troops Recount Devastating Retreat

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Since the Russians also kill their PoW they're better of keeping fighting.

Ukrainian POWs can be exchanged for Russians. I expect the ones that were allegedly killed were mercenaries.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Hahahahahahahaha...thanks man. I needed a good laugh.

 

Nothing is true until Ukraine corroborates it. Of course, good luck living in denial Patong.

Life is obviously good in some condo in LOS behind a keyboard. No need to accept reality.

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Yeah I suppose you wear an army uniform while you type this. You can look at any maps available that you want and won't tell what's actually going on in the field or what the battle plans are. Those are after the fact maps and you dont have real time intell but you go on with your imaginary grasp of battle. Believing trumps withholding of support as a none factor shows exactly the level of knowledge and understanding of the situation. 

Sad you need to go for the personal attack. The maps are usually updated daily. As for my "imaginary grasp of battle" it's not about commenting on the tactics on the battlefield it's more about analysing the direction of battle. Again a couple of wks ago I posted the Kursk salient was looking like it was shaky, last week I posted it was in trouble and a few days ago I said it was collapsing. Say what you like but this assessment was correct.

[Hellfire]

55 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

IF you want to know why this disaster happened in the first place:

 

Just ask Jeffrey Sachs.

 

He DOES know.

 

This Jeffrey is just another putin’s clown

[Rimmer]

Some off topic posts have been removed, topic is not about: Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan , or Hezbollah

 

Nightmare in Kursk: Ukrainian Troops Recount Devastating Retreat

[Cameroni]

Ukraine confirms withdrawal from Sudzha in Russia's Kursk Oblast

https://kyivindependent.com/general-staff-confirms-withdrawal-from-sudzha-kursk-oblast/

 

Still, hold on to the dream, Patong. Hold on.

 

Someday, somebody's gonna make you wanna
Turn around and say goodbye
Until then, baby, are you gonna let them
Hold you down and make you cry?
Don't you know?
Don't you know, things can change?
Things'll go your way
If you hold on for one more day
Can you hold on for one more day?

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If Putin could only take what he has after 3 years, in what insane world do those that think Putin would try to take all of Ukraine live?

If he had, even I would not be calling for an end to western support.

That's why I typed NOT in caps. As it is he's got about 20%. Maybe we're at cross purposes on this one.

[connda]

57 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You are a ruthless dictator who enslaved your own people and then attacked your neighbors

I've listened to this same propaganda from the US and the West my entire life.  Worded exactly that way.  Do you know who that propaganda is for?  It's for the consumption of Western citizens.

<Enter name of target country here> is run by a ruthless dictator who kills and enslaved his own people and then attacks his neighbors without provocation...... <add embellishments here>

Every country which fails to bend a knee to US primacy eventually gets tagged with the same propaganda, virtually word for word, in order to get the US public (and the Western public in general) on board to support never-ending "Forever Wars", US/NATO bombing campaigns, and eventually "boots on the ground." Funny that when the US/NATO invades a country, it's called "a responsibility to protect." When a "target country" defends it borders it's called "unprovoked aggression."

When you listen to this for 70+ years, including when you are on active duty and see it first hand, some of us wake up to the facts and see right though the propaganda.  Once you get to that point, you begin to promote actually peace, promote the end of conflict, promote anti-war ideals, and you can tell who the actually "aggressors" are as opposed to whom you are told the "aggressors" are.

I'd say there is a large majority of AN members who buy the propaganda hook, line, and sinker. And as such these same people literally hate Russia, hate Russians (actually hate everyone their leaders tell them to hate), and can see no end of this conflict except with the strategic defeat of Russia.  And the only way that happens is via WWIII or nuclear war.  So by extension, these members want to see WWIII even if it leads to nuclear war. 

"We must give our lives to keep Russia from winning!"

No - you can give YOUR life. Please - go volunteer to join the Ukrainian military and give your life to stop the Ruskies.  Don't volunteer mine in some f***ed up WWIII culminating in a nuclear exchange.  I've no dog in this fight other than in support of the end of war in all its forms. 

In my book, Russia is in the right given the history of European aggression toward Russia over the last centuries, and then NATO expansion since the early 1990s. Russia and Russians are the victims who are now pushing back on the actual aggressors.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, dinsdale said:

That's why I typed NOT in caps. As it is he's got about 20%. Maybe we're at cross purposes on this one.

I wasn't referring to you. The guy you responded to is on my ignore list so I used your post to respond to him.

[dinsdale]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't referring to you. The guy you responded to is on my ignore list so I used your post to respond to him.

Ok. Thought I had it wrong. Cheers. Not as wrong though as some of the idiots on here that would argue 'til their blue in the face that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. They seem to have completely lost touch with reality.

[thaibeachlovers]

Ukrainians in Kursk, bye bye, it's been real.

[Dan O]

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sad you need to go for the personal attack. The maps are usually updated daily. As for my "imaginary grasp of battle" it's not about commenting on the tactics on the battlefield it's more about analysing the direction of battle. Again a couple of wks ago I posted the Kursk salient was looking like it was shaky, last week I posted it was in trouble and a few days ago I said it was collapsing. Say what you like but this assessment was correct.

Your guess was correct but your comments are inaccurate. Facts are facts and you can not define a live battle strategy from after the fact maps. You can define the overall direction of war after the fact yes but not much more. 

[GammaGlobulin]

14 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

This Jeffrey is just another putin’s clown

 

whatever.....

 

[Bkk Brian]

44 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The information in the article is  merely repeating what is on Telegram, a notoriously unreliable source of information. For all you know it is Russian disinformation.

Actually no, its direct from Ukraine troops, sometimes you just have to face reality albeit a bitter pill to swallow. They did extremely well to hold onto Kursk so long but this was inevitable at some point.

 

The BBC has received extensive accounts from Ukrainian troops, who recount a "catastrophic" withdrawal in the face of heavy fire, and columns of military equipment destroyed and constant attacks from swarms of Russian drones.

The soldiers, who spoke over social media, were given aliases to protect their identity. Some gave accounts of a "collapse" as Ukraine lost Sudzha, the largest town it held.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q198zyppqo

[lordgrinz]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

But but but, there are posters on this very forum assuring us that it's all Russian propaganda and that Ukraine is winning. Are they wrong?

 

 

All they need is a few/several hundred billion US dollars more and they can turn this War around, have a heart! 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

You can bet your bottom dollar that war crimes and atrocities have been carried out by both sides. It's a bloody war of attrition. The rule book tends to get thrown out in battle.

Russia invaded Ukraine. That is the only bloody atrocity that we all need to know. Rest is about UKraine's defense of their sovereignity with bravery and sacrifices against overwhelming odds. Anyone cheering the Russian are on the wrong side of history.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

All they need is a few/several hundred billion US dollars more and they can turn this War around, have a heart! 

That and another ten thousand missiles should see Zelensky arriving at the Kremlin to accept Putin's surrender.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Russia invaded Ukraine. That is the only bloody atrocity that we all need to know. Rest is about UKraine's defense of their sovereignity with bravery and sacrifices against overwhelming odds. Anyone cheering the Russian are on the wrong side of history.

I don't see anyone cheering the Russians on. We are just pointing out that they are winning and Zelensky is losing.

Some of us have been saying Ukraine would lose since day one, so you might get some "I told you so" satisfaction when Zelensky signs on the dotted line.

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Russia invaded Ukraine. That is the only bloody atrocity that we all need to know. Rest is about UKraine's defense of their sovereignity with bravery and sacrifices against overwhelming odds. Anyone cheering the Russian are on the wrong side of history.

Anyone cheering for the Russians should try living in their country, subject to their laws and living standards.

[lordgrinz]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Anyone cheering for the Russians should try living in their country, subject to their laws and living standards.

 

Before or after the sanctions went in place?

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't see anyone cheering the Russians on. We are just pointing out that they are winning and Zelensky is losing.

Some of us have been saying Ukraine would lose since day one, so you might get some "I told you so" satisfaction when Zelensky signs on the dotted line.

You just posted and prodding for Putin to rain ten thousand missles on Ukraine and you claimed you are not cheering Russia. I tried to ignore you as you so full of ridiculous postings and I just can't let this pass. 

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Before or after the sanctions went in place?

Doesn't matter. My point is Russians are not living in a democracy.

[Cameroni]

19 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Russia invaded Ukraine. That is the only bloody atrocity that we all need to know. Rest is about UKraine's defense of their sovereignity with bravery and sacrifices against overwhelming odds. Anyone cheering the Russian are on the wrong side of history.

 

Oh the irony.....Hahahahahaha

[Lacessit]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't see anyone cheering the Russians on. We are just pointing out that they are winning and Zelensky is losing.

Some of us have been saying Ukraine would lose since day one, so you might get some "I told you so" satisfaction when Zelensky signs on the dotted line.

I can see you as a Chinese doormat.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Your guess was correct but your comments are inaccurate. Facts are facts and you can not define a live battle strategy from after the fact maps. You can define the overall direction of war after the fact yes but not much more. 

By battle strategy do you actually mean battle tactics? Obviously the live war maps do not and cannot deal with this with sometimes only a matter of tens of metres being lost or captured or recaptured. There's a lot of this in this war that is gains and losses measured in metres. They analyze the overall movement of troops, battles, ground taken, ground lost etc. From this one can extrapolate "guess" if you like but a rational guess what the direction the battle, be it in one area or overall, is looking like. As for me posting inaccurate comments I'd love for you to share some of these. If they were inaccurate I'll say I was wrong. If you can't then you should apologise.  I'm not saying I haven't been wrong as I did say I thought the ceasefire would happen quickly. So far no ceasefire but Trump and Putin meet today so let's see what comes out of that. Not a ceasefire I wouldn't think. There will be no ceasefire until the Kursk salient has been totally brought back under Russian control. How long this will be is hard to say but it won't been long the way things are going. 

[Cameroni]

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Anyone cheering for the Russians should try living in their country, subject to their laws and living standards.

 

Actually living standards in Russia are very good. Good food, I kid you not, great bakeries, markets with Lavash bread fresh from the oven. Dachas with saunas.

 

Ok, service is terrible, it is ugly and the weather is awful, but living standards are probably on a par with Australia sans the weather.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Oh the irony.....Hahahahahaha

You obviously know very little about Russian demographics, and the Russian economy. They are both on the wrong side of history.

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Do you normally just bend over and accept a ravaging when being abused by a bully? I posit that most people of integrity do not.

 

You got that right, buddy!

 

That's why four regions decided to hold referendums, secede from the nazi apartheid regime, and rejoin Russia.

 

I suspect if this continues, Odessa will be holding a referendum soon, as well.

[Hellfire]

Oh, these Ukrainians! For over three years, they’ve been mocking the amoral admirers of Donald Trump. How they longed for Putin to crush Ukraine in a week or a month! Yet here we are, three years later, and Putin’s conquest of Ukraine remains nothing more than their desperate fantasy. But they don’t lose hope—they pop champagne and throw parties over every minor event. Pathetic people!

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You obviously know very little about Russian demographics, and the Russian economy. They are both on the wrong side of history.

 

I have forgotten more about Russia than you will ever know Lacessit. You and your fellow Ukraine cheerleaders are on the wrong side of history, wouldn't you know?

 

Russia will win this war, Ukraine will lose and all your dreams are just soap bubbles bursting in mid air.